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Why Did Republicans Attack Cohen Personally But Not His Story?

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Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.
 
Trumpists were there for one reason : defend the orange king.
 
The GOP no longer exists. It started with the tea party, then evolved into the freedom caucus and from those two extreme groups we got trump and the party of trump. Republicans long ago surrendered their integrity which is how we ended up with a president who only cares about himself and his 'brand'. No regard for the law, no regard for his base other than to throw them red meat and no regard for america.

Trump sums up today's GOP perfectly, what can I get for me.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

There wasn't much to defend in his story really. Everything he accused trump of is either already well know, or has no way to prove. At the same time, the thing that got him to testify, his trip to prague to supposedly pay for russian collusion(Rachel Maddow's conspiracy) he outright denied. Everytime the democrats posed the question "did he collude with russian to win the election", all he had was "I don't know for sure, but he would do anything to win". So there is nothing new here, other than how he refers to black people, and why should we believe him on that story?
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

Because he is a proven crook and liar trying to play the victim and cash in?
 
Trumpists were there for one reason : defend the orange king.

The little bit I saw yesterday showed the Republicans merely acting as prosecutors when cross examining a hostile witness, mostly noting his earlier perjury. Not much on the substance, just against the witness.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

Cohen's testimony helps Trump in some key ways. He denies knowing about any collusion with Russia, he undermines the Russian dossier, he denies that Trump directly ordered him to lie to Congress, and he says several times that Trump "never expected to win the election" which undermines the charge that Trump was trying to leverage the presidency for a Moscow real estate deal.

Aside from that there are multiple claims that Trump is a horse's rear in various ways, which I think we can all stipulate, but none of it is criminal and none of it has any relevance to policy.

The Democrats might take all this as grounds for impeachment, but not with any credibility.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

You know the people who really need to be tried for obstruction of justice and thrown in jail are all the Republican congressman who have failed to do their job and betrayed the trust of the American people . Not only have they failed to do their job in acting as a check and balance on the executive branch, they have actively aided and abetted criminal behavior in the executive branch. Nunes needs to be tried first, followed by McConnell. Jordan next.
 
No one, except perhaps Trump himself, denies Trump paid off the ladies to keep them silent in anticipation of the upcoming election. Even Trump's longtime ally, the National Inquirer, says they paid on his behalf.

He did make a reimbursement payment to Cohen while he was in office. The only question now is, do republicans in the senate believe that this campaign fraud rises to the level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' required to remove the president from office?

We know Trumpsters don't think it is. Trump could literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters would not abandon him. They have demonstrated their loyalty repeatedly. They did so when he practically sucked Putin's dick in Helsinki. They did so when he locked kids in cages. They did so when Trump chose to shut down the government rather than sign a bill passed by Congress. They did so when he claimed a national emergency because Congress would not authorize funds for his wall. He could be caught diddling a little boy in the Oval Office and the evangelicals would come up with a bible verse to defend it. That is brand loyalty.
 
Why Did Republicans Attack Cohen Personally But Not His Story?

Because even they have no defense left for useless DonDon.

Wait till we get to 2020 and as Cohen suggests, DonDon does not allow for a peaceful transition of power even if he is wiped out in the Election. Lets face it, there are groups in this country that would prefer a White Dictatorship to a multiracial Constitutional Republic.

"Oh but race and white privilege is not an issue at all."

Ah-huh!
 
Cohen's testimony helps Trump in some key ways. He denies knowing about any collusion with Russia, he undermines the Russian dossier, he denies that Trump directly ordered him to lie to Congress, and he says several times that Trump "never expected to win the election" which undermines the charge that Trump was trying to leverage the presidency for a Moscow real estate deal.

Trump allegedly was trying to leverage the campaign, which he expected to lose, not the Presidency.
 
The little bit I saw yesterday showed the Republicans merely acting as prosecutors when cross examining a hostile witness, mostly noting his earlier perjury. Not much on the substance, just against the witness.

I listened to almost all of it, and you have pretty much summed it up. The Trumpists also spent time trying to stop the hearing on a technicality and complaining that the whole thing was a travesty.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

You OBVIOUSLY weren't listening to them.
 
They couldn't because they know every thing he said was true.

I would hope some politicians and some here on DP would have heeded Cohens warning.
He got conned, fell for/into Trumps limelight and he's gonna pay for it. If not for Trump Cohen would not have gotten a day in jail. His crimes the bank stuff, yeah he lied but he never defaulted he actually paid his debts. The most that would have been is fines. His tax stuff he would have paid fines. He knows and so does everyone else the only reason he's facing jail time is because of Trump and his ego.
Hopefully others will see this and heed the warning.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

To his base, Trump is a freedom fighter. He is a guerrilla warrior up against a frighteningly powerful enemy, and they think he should absolutely fight as dirty as he needs to in order to prevent that enemy from regaining power. In fact, they gleefully cheer him on when he breaks the rules of decorum and fights dirty. Trump was absolutely correct when he said that he could shoot someone in the middle of the street without losing votes.

The alt-right of today is one of the largest and most unamerican extremist groups in the country. They would happily abandon every traditionally American value and embrace tyranny so long as it meant preventing the democrats from taking control. The danger of this attitude cannot be overstated. Democrats are no angels, but when democrats see a President of the United States with that attitude, what do we think their attitude is going to then become?

Democrats are going to take permanent control of this country sooner or later. This is inevitable. Progress can be slowed, but never stopped. Do we want ruling democrats who are used to cooperation with the opposition party and mutual sacrifice for the greater good, or do we want the democrats who survived a nasty political war with an all-or-nothing, my way or the highway, no-holds-barred party that happily embraces an ends justify the means attitude?

There is nothing more hypocritical than when an alt-righter warns of the dangers of socialism while happily ignoring Donald Trump's casual disregard for American values in the name of restoring American values.
 
It is very telling that Republicans did not defend Trump at all. They only attacked Cohen’s character, and Cohen played it perfectly by acknowledging that he lied to Congress, and pointing out that he is going to prison, so he has nothing to gain here.

And as far as nothing new coming out of this hearing like some in this thread have said — they’re wrong. He provided hard copy evidence of payments made to him that Trump denied making. He also helped get the ball rolling on investigating Trump for financial fraud involving Trump Org. asset inflating — giving the committee names of potential future witnesses. And, he let out a little secret that the SDNY has more ongoing investigations into Trump.

Yeah nothing to see here, folks :roll:
 
Because he is a proven crook and liar trying to play the victim and cash in?

If Cohen, is a liar, so is Trump. How do you reconcile that?
 
Being a liar is not an impeachable offense.

So, you are cool with the President being a lair? Got it.

An impeachable offense is what ever congress says it is. If they had the votes it could be.
 
Answer: They accept Trump for the "con man" Cohen said he is.

It doesn't really matter that Cohen may be telling the truth. Trump's base, which means their voters as well as his, doesn't care if Trump broke the law. They know he's dirty. It's not that Trump is above ordinary morality; it's more that he is removed from it. Values like honesty and fealty aren't relevant to a leader who leads from his gut, who is guided by genius instinct. At this level moral evaluation does not take place. It can't take place. Which makes a scandal like this a distraction, but a dangerous one if it threatens Trump's leadership. The entire effort then must be aimed at tearing down Cohen. Then we can forget the story.

Because they are all cowards and party means more than principles.
 
So, you are cool with the President being a lair? Got it.

An impeachable offense is what ever congress says it is. If they had the votes it could be.

Remember that statement if a Democrat becomes president.
 
Remember that statement if a Democrat becomes president.

You, too. You will be cool with a Dem president lying to you, because you don't want to be a hypocrite, right?
 
Remember that statement if a Democrat becomes president.

At least have the ****ing balls to admit that you only care about "your team winning" at all costs regardless of ethics, honesty and responsibility.
 
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