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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    To me it's simple: Trump didn't get the deal he wanted so he closed the summit.
    The "summit" should have never been held...trump looked a total amateur...He was actually warned about North Korea, by President Obama (a real President) but got played...............Big Time
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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    No deal is better than a bad deal, just like Reagan said at Reykjavik.....and I notice that Trump did not provide NOKO with light water nuclear reactors, or anything else, like Clinton did.

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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    Given the circumstances, in the end, Trump played it correctly

    I think North Korea went into this thinking they may get something for nothing, again.
    It looks like the message the U.S. side is sending, this time out, is those days are over.

    I think it was the right message to send.
    I wonder where Kim got the idea that Trump was a sucker? Actually, Trump is a sucker. Just ask Putin. Fortunately he's not that big a sucker.

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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    The "summit" should have never been held...trump looked a total amateur...He was actually warned about North Korea, by President Obama (a real President) but got played...............Big Time
    Trumpophobe obviously affects your eyesight. Obama a "real president". nonsense.
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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Trumpophobe obviously affects your eyesight. Obama a "real president". nonsense.
    Oh I guess the Summit was a Success.....Sure...trump looked a fool...No doubt President Obama was laughing somewhere
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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Talks will continue.

    I have no real interest in defending Trump but at least there is some degree of dialog with North Korea. The alternative is what had been going on during Bush 43's and Obama's time where it appeared the outcome would be eventual war.

    No deal now does not mean there never will be one.
    I completely detest this man genetically, and have found exactly nothing this man has done since 2016 useful. but in this situation, he has probably done more good than harm. He has established an ongoing rapport with one of the most dangerously isolated leaders on the planet and he has managed to engage North Korea, without repeating the same useless patterns prior administrations did. These are actually slightly different failures and we can learn from them thereby. Instead of the usual bottom - up negociations, trying to include allies like South Korea and Japan as as partners,, he tried one on one direct leader to leader contact. Even though these talks appear to have failed just as miserably but publicly, Trump allowed for failure. He did not fabricate a success out of nothing and willingly walked away with relatively little harm done to either side and the dignity of both parties intact.

    I think because it was so different an effort than Bush pere, Bush fils or Obama had tried, it was worth it. We still have the direct connections with a young and opportunistic North Korean leader available to try again -maybe for more incremental and small agreements next time .

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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    I completely detest this man genetically, and have found exactly nothing this man has done since 2016 useful. but in this situation, he has probably done more good than harm. He has established an ongoing rapport with one of the most dangerously isolated leaders on the planet and he has managed to engage North Korea, without repeating the same useless patterns prior administrations did. These are actually slightly different failures and we can learn from them thereby. Instead of the usual bottom - up negociations, trying to include allies like South Korea and Japan as as partners,, he tried one on one direct leader to leader contact. Even though these talks appear to have failed just as miserably but publicly, Trump allowed for failure. He did not fabricate a success out of nothing and willingly walked away with relatively little harm done to either side and the dignity of both parties intact.

    I think because it was so different an effort than Bush pere, Bush fils or Obama had tried, it was worth it. We still have the direct connections with a young and opportunistic North Korean leader available to try again -maybe for more incremental and small agreements next time .
    Any contact was worth a try...But where trump failed was giving Kim and North Korea a World stage, without any agreements...Hence the embarrassing fall out...trump seemed far more interested in "personal glory" than any constructive meaningful deal....The real breakthroughs have occurred between the South and North.....Without trump and his bumbling squad of toadies...In order to get a deal both sides will have concede certain conditions...That the Hardliners with in will no doubt oppose
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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    Any contact was worth a try...But where trump failed was giving Kim and North Korea a World stage, without any agreements...Hence the embarrassing fall out...trump seemed far more interested in "personal glory" than any constructive meaningful deal....The real breakthroughs have occurred between the South and North.....Without trump and his bumbling squad of toadies...In order to get a deal both sides will have concede certain conditions...That the Hardliners with in will no doubt oppose
    I recognize that you have identified the cost, but the trees and shrubs have been uprooted , and two slightly worn but readily followed dirt paths have been created for future foot traffic that may not be used by bumbling squads of toadies and with little effort, South Korea, North Korea and ourselves can keep those paths free from major incumbrances.

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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Kim had nukes before Trump came along. And missiles.
    Well yea but he still has them and trump just sat there with his thumb up is ass while having a great relationship with his boyfriend Kim.

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    Re: Tump Kim talks: What to make of the Hanoi summit collapse?

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Easy answer.

    Trump is an idiot.

    Instead of listening to his Intel agencies and studying history he seek advise from the Kremlin. There is no way anything can end well with this approach. Well, not for the USA anyway.
    Once again Trump sided with a dictator over his own intel. KJU, according to Trump, knew nothing about the beating and subsequent death of Otto Warmbier. He also believed Putin when he said he didn't hack our election. He let Saudi get away with murdering one of our journalists - yeah he's such a great guy.
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