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Would yo br okay with Trump pardoning Manafort?

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We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
 
Not for the tax evasion form years ago....rest of the crap...no opinion either way...

When is the SDNY going after RANGEL, SHARPTON etal for tax evasion?

Asking for friend...
 
independentusa said:
We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
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That part is a lie. The extent of Manafort's crimes have been centered around dodging taxes. Since the only reason Manafort was investigated was because he worked for Trump, which isn't a crime, and the investigation's findings have nothing to do with why it was created, it's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

What should be done is have the full extent of the investigation be completed, so all the cards are on the table, and if the only thing they have was the tax evasion and such there should be a pardon.
 
independentusa said:
We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
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I'm...not sure what the upside of that would be.
 
Fishking said:
That part is a lie. The extent of Manafort's crimes have been centered around dodging taxes. Since the only reason Manafort was investigated was because he worked for Trump, which isn't a crime, and the investigation's findings have nothing to do with why it was created, it's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

What should be done is have the full extent of the investigation be completed, so all the cards are on the table, and if the only thing they have was the tax evasion and such there should be a pardon.
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Mueller already has Manafort meeting with a Russian agent while Trump's campaign manager and giving him internal Trump campaign data to feed Putin's trolls. And even his tax evasion is all about taking Money from Putin's oligarchs so why does he deserve a pardon for being a traitor?
 
independentusa said:
We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
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The pardoning laws in the US are a disgrace, in my view. No President should be able to overturn the decisions of a court of law and the judgement of a panel of an accused person's peers.

That said, in my view, this power should only be used to pardon an individual whose case has been proven in some way to be a travesty of justice and/or the sentence passed is believed to be, by the vast majority of the public, unreasonably harsh or disproportionate to the crime.

Finally, in my view, no President should ever pardon any individual who is or whose crimes are directly associated with that President either during his time in office or prior to attaining the office of President.

In all likelihood, talk of pardons is significantly premature. They won't happen, if at all, until after either President Trump completes his second term in office or after he is defeated in the 2020 election. The simple truth, in my view, is that if President Trump were to pardon any of the individuals named in the Mueller investigation, he would trigger a Democrat push to impeach the President and such a move may gain significant support among a section of the Republican congress.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The pardoning laws in the US are a disgrace, in my view. No President should be able to overturn the decisions of a court of law and the judgement of a panel of an accused person's peers.

That said, in my view, this power should only be used to pardon an individual whose case has been proven in some way to be a travesty of justice and/or the sentence passed is believed to be, by the vast majority of the public, unreasonably harsh or disproportionate to the crime.

Finally, in my view, no President should ever pardon any individual who is or whose crimes are directly associated with that President either during his time in office or prior to attaining the office of President.

In all likelihood, talk of pardons is significantly premature. They won't happen, if at all, until after either President Trump completes his second term in office or after he is defeated in the 2020 election. The simple truth, in my view, is that if President Trump were to pardon any of the individuals named in the Mueller investigation, he would trigger a Democrat push to impeach the President and such a move may gain significant support among a section of the Republican congress.
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While everybody has had a problem with some of the pardoning decisions by past Presidents, the principle in general was one in which pardons were granted to those who had served their time (or at least a significant portion of it), acknowledged their crimes and expressed remorse for them, and demonstrated that they were worthy of a second chance. There was a process by which prisoners could apply for a pardon, and that process mitigated abuse through corrupt intent by the President. No, this system was not perfect, but it was the system in general, and all things considered it worked as well as it was intended to.

But Trump, ruled entirely by corrupt intent, has taken that principle and process and set them on fire. More than we could have ever imagined before this administration, a not-insignificant portion of our government has been humming along less on law and more on gentlemen's agreements. Trump finds vulnerabilities were laws don't restrain him, and then he takes advantage of those vulnerabilities, thus illustrating for the rest of us where honor codes need to be replaced with legal codes.

In this case, the thing that needs to be codified is the pardon application system in order to make it more difficult for a President to grant pardons corruptly.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
The pardoning laws in the US are a disgrace, in my view. No President should be able to overturn the decisions of a court of law and the judgement of a panel of an accused person's peers.

That said, in my view, this power should only be used to pardon an individual whose case has been proven in some way to be a travesty of justice and/or the sentence passed is believed to be, by the vast majority of the public, unreasonably harsh or disproportionate to the crime.

Finally, in my view, no President should ever pardon any individual who is or whose crimes are directly associated with that President either during his time in office or prior to attaining the office of President.

In all likelihood, talk of pardons is significantly premature. They won't happen, if at all, until after either President Trump completes his second term in office or after he is defeated in the 2020 election. The simple truth, in my view, is that if President Trump were to pardon any of the individuals named in the Mueller investigation, he would trigger a Democrat push to impeach the President and such a move may gain significant support among a section of the Republican congress.
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It's part of the checks and balances.
 
independentusa said:
We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
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..No..
 
Yes. Both Clinton and Barry pardoned actual violent criminals.
 
independentusa said:
We have seen the extent of illegal actions by Manafort, far beyond colluding with the Russians. Would you still be okay with Manafort being pardoned by Trump?
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Actually colluding with the Russians seems to be the ONLY crime he didn't commit :cool: My preference is that Trump don't pardon him.
 
Fishking said:
That part is a lie. The extent of Manafort's crimes have been centered around dodging taxes. Since the only reason Manafort was investigated was because he worked for Trump, which isn't a crime, and the investigation's findings have nothing to do with why it was created, it's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

What should be done is have the full extent of the investigation be completed, so all the cards are on the table, and if the only thing they have was the tax evasion and such there should be a pardon.
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Astounding.

Simply astounding.

Trumpets, you can't live with them you can't get rid of them.
 
iguanaman said:
Mueller already has Manafort meeting with a Russian agent while Trump's campaign manager and giving him internal Trump campaign data to feed Putin's trolls. And even his tax evasion is all about taking Money from Putin's oligarchs so why does he deserve a pardon for being a traitor?
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No, he doesn't. Link that claim to an ACTUAL NEWS SOURCE and let's see what he REALLY SAID....
 
CanadaJohn said:
The pardoning laws in the US are a disgrace, in my view. No President should be able to overturn the decisions of a court of law and the judgement of a panel of an accused person's peers.

That said, in my view, this power should only be used to pardon an individual whose case has been proven in some way to be a travesty of justice and/or the sentence passed is believed to be, by the vast majority of the public, unreasonably harsh or disproportionate to the crime.

Finally, in my view, no President should ever pardon any individual who is or whose crimes are directly associated with that President either during his time in office or prior to attaining the office of President.

In all likelihood, talk of pardons is significantly premature. They won't happen, if at all, until after either President Trump completes his second term in office or after he is defeated in the 2020 election. The simple truth, in my view, is that if President Trump were to pardon any of the individuals named in the Mueller investigation, he would trigger a Democrat push to impeach the President and such a move may gain significant support among a section of the Republican congress.
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Bull****. Judges are NOT ELECTED REPRESENTTIVES of the PEOPLE.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The pardoning laws in the US are a disgrace, in my view. No President should be able to overturn the decisions of a court of law and the judgement of a panel of an accused person's peers.

That said, in my view, this power should only be used to pardon an individual whose case has been proven in some way to be a travesty of justice and/or the sentence passed is believed to be, by the vast majority of the public, unreasonably harsh or disproportionate to the crime.

Finally, in my view, no President should ever pardon any individual who is or whose crimes are directly associated with that President either during his time in office or prior to attaining the office of President.

In all likelihood, talk of pardons is significantly premature. They won't happen, if at all, until after either President Trump completes his second term in office or after he is defeated in the 2020 election. The simple truth, in my view, is that if President Trump were to pardon any of the individuals named in the Mueller investigation, he would trigger a Democrat push to impeach the President and such a move may gain significant support among a section of the Republican congress.
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And it would be easier to impeach because anyone pardoned forfeits their fifth amendment rights....
 
Bullseye said:
Actually colluding with the Russians seems to be the ONLY crime he didn't commit :cool: My preference is that Trump don't pardon him.
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No the only crime he has not yet been charged with...
 
Grokmaster said:
No, he doesn't. Link that claim to an ACTUAL NEWS SOURCE and let's see what he REALLY SAID....
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

You know very well what he is talking about, you have been on here claiming it wasn't illegal.(it's is)
Why do you cultists insist on asking m for information you already have???
 
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Bullseye said:
LOL, hope springs eternal. :cool:
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Welll actually that very well may be one of the three dozen sealed indictments.

I don't know about you but I'm anxious to learn what those are...
 
GDViking said:
Welll actually that very well may be one of the three dozen sealed indictments.

I don't know about you but I'm anxious to learn what those are...
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I'm getting "Just you wait, Mueller will come through" fatigue. I've been hearing it for over two years.
 
Bullseye said:
I'm getting "Just you wait, Mueller will come through" fatigue. I've been hearing it for over two years.
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Oh you are going to be disappointed, the end of the Mueller Investigation is it the end, it is the beginning.

I would like the house to begin the impeachment process just to make everything public and tie trumps hands so he can't pardon anyone.

I really hope they can prove coordination with intent to defraud the united States, however it would be better to stretch out impeachment proceedings through the election...

And then cuff him and haul him to new York where they will be eagerly awaiting his appearance...
 
GDViking said:
Oh you are going to be disappointed, the end of the Mueller Investigation is it the end, it is the beginning.

I would like the house to begin the impeachment process just to make everything public and tie trumps hands so he can't pardon anyone.

I really hope they can prove coordination with intent to defraud the united States, however it would be better to stretch out impeachment proceedings through the election...
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You do realize there has to be a reason for impeachment, right? Trump is President until he's convicted in the Senate.
 
Bullseye said:
I'm getting "Just you wait, Mueller will come through" fatigue. I've been hearing it for over two years.
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You know it took around three years to find out some chick gave Clinton a blow job right?
 
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