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An Emergency for the G.O.P.

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An Emergency for the G.O.P.

The Constitution or The Donald? Why is this such a hard choice for congressional Republicans?

2/22/19
Once again, congressional Republicans are facing a gut-check moment, forced to choose between supporting and defending the Constitution or Donald J. Trump. It’s not looking good. House Democrats introduced a joint resolution of disapproval on Friday aimed at canceling President Trump’s bogus national emergency at the southern border. Representative Joaquin Castro of Texas is leading the charge, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is expediting the measure, which is on track for a floor vote on Tuesday. It is widely expected to pass the chamber, where Democrats have the majority. Once the resolution clears the House, the Senate is required to hold its own vote within 18 days — meaning the majority leader, Mitch McConnell, cannot do his usual stonewalling. Even so, with Republicans in control there, and loath to irk the president, the resolution is widely expected to die. It is not too late to stop this legislative cop-out. Critical principles are at stake — Congress’s power of the purse, the separation of powers — that transcend any one declaration or leader. Members of both parties need to make clear that a presidential pique is not the same thing as a national emergency, that a president who fails to persuade Congress to support his priorities can’t then simply pursue them by fiat. Lawmakers who cannot rally themselves to this cause should stop pretending that they’re anything more than partisan automatons; they will have declared themselves members of a second-class branch of government.

As has often been noted, there is no border emergency, aside from Mr. Trump’s desperation to make good on a rabble-rousing campaign slogan. Having failed to extract billions of taxpayer dollars from Congress for the construction of his wall, the president executed a power grab. House Republicans once cared passionately about checks and balances, and frequently accused President Barack Obama of abusing his authority. For some reason, the Republicans have been far less vocal about their high-minded principles with Mr. Trump in the White House. For the joint resolution to clear the Senate, only four Republicans need to join Democrats to assert that the president cannot thumb his nose at Congress whenever it suits him. But despite all the hand wringing, thus far, only one has said she will. Some Republicans dislike what Mr. Trump has done but have convinced themselves that there’s no point in voting for the resolution since the president will surely veto it. Others rationalize that the emergency declaration, while outrageous, may be technically legal, and thus should be left to the courts to sort out. Some Republicans are toying with the idea of voting against the resolution but then introducing new legislation to reform the underlying National Emergencies Act. These are all dodges — ways to make Republicans feel better about not pushing back — and they can provide only false comfort. As he has shown time and again, Mr. Trump is a bully, and he likes to push boundaries. Republican lawmakers swore an oath to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and to well and faithfully discharge the duties of their office. Here’s their chance.

This one is easy. The GOP Senate hacks will continue doing what they have done since the Trump inauguration ..... hide under their Senate desks in absolute terror of Donald Trump.

Force Trump to veto the Congressional disapproval legislation. That will be invaluable in 2020. The 9th District court will halt Trump's funds-raid via injunction.

Related: Texas landowners file lawsuit against Trump's national emergency

16 states sue the Trump administration over national emergency declaration
 
An Emergency for the G.O.P.

The Constitution or The Donald? Why is this such a hard choice for congressional Republicans?



This one is easy. The GOP Senate hacks will continue doing what they have done since the Trump inauguration ..... hide under their Senate desks in absolute terror of Donald Trump.

Force Trump to veto the Congressional disapproval legislation. That will be invaluable in 2020. The 9th District court will halt Trump's funds-raid via injunction.

Related: Texas landowners file lawsuit against Trump's national emergency

16 states sue the Trump administration over national emergency declaration

Regardless the rhetoric from House Dems and that opinion writer in the NYT, Trump is doing nothing illegal nor unconstitutional. Everything he is doing is in accordance with established law.

So, the only "gut-check moment" facing the GOP is whether to side with the Constitution and the law or to side with the Trump hating Dems. For some GOP Congressmen, that will be a tough choice, indeed.
 
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Regardless the rhetoric from House Dems and that opinion writer in the NYT, Trump is doing nothing illegal nor unconstitutional. Everything he is doing is in accordance with established law.

So, the only "gut-check moment" facing the GOP is whether to side with the Constitution and the law or to side with the Trump hating Dems. For some GOP Congressmen, that will be a tough choice, indeed.

Moreover, since the change in the House of Representatives, it has been the Democrats who have been creating the problems which led to Trump's action. They gave almost 5 times as much money to fund foreign nation's "walls" than they did our own nation's President, as well as their best to stymie Immigration enforcement in favor of more catch and release.

IMO if they really didn't want this "problem" to crop up they could have done some REAL compromising during the budget negotiations. It's not like Trump made his expected response a big secret.
 
Moreover, since the change in the House of Representatives, it has been the Democrats who have been creating the problems which led to Trump's action. They gave almost 5 times as much money to fund foreign nation's "walls" than they did our own nation's President, as well as their best to stymie Immigration enforcement in favor of more catch and release.

If they really didn't want this "problem" to crop up they could have done some REAL compromising during the budget negotiations.

There were two years of total Republican control in which the House could have passed a spending bill with Trump's wall in it. Believing the "emergency" happened because Democrats took over the House requires believing that the sum of human history began in January of 2019.
 
IMO if they really didn't want this "problem" to crop up they could have done some REAL compromising during the budget negotiations. It's not like Trump made his expected response a big secret.

Well Adverse, it was a bipartisan negotiating committee. :shrug:
 
There were two years of total Republican control in which the House could have passed a spending bill with Trump's wall in it. Believing the "emergency" happened because Democrats took over the House requires believing that the sum of human history began in January of 2019.

It's all he has. A handful of hooey.
 
There were two years of total Republican control in which the House could have passed a spending bill with Trump's wall in it. Believing the "emergency" happened because Democrats took over the House requires believing that the sum of human history began in January of 2019.

Not without using the "Nuclear Option" in the Senate to prevent endless debate on an area not used before, the budget. The nuclear option has been reserved for Presidential appointments, and opening the door to use in other areas would have set a precedent allowing the Democrats to do it if and when they retook both houses of Congress without a veto-proof majority. Recall it was the Democrats who passed the Nuclear option in order to get their appointments approved.

How Democrats Paved the Way for the Confirmation of Trump's Cabinet
Obama-Era Rule Changes Haunts Senate Democrats - The Atlantic

Republicans tacitly agree to reserving it for appointments, and as long as they don't use it for other issues, the Democrats are bound not to either (until they do of course like the first time when they didn't get their way).
 
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Not without using the "Nuclear Option" in the Senate on an area not used before, the budget. The nuclear option has been reserved for Presidential appointments, and opening the door to use in other areas would have set a precedent allowing the Democrats to do it if and when they retook both houses of Congress. Recall it was the Democrats who passed the Nuclear option in order to get their appointments approved.

Obama-Era Rule Changes Haunts Senate Democrats - The Atlantic

So why didn't Trump declare an emergency then?
 
Moreover, since the change in the House of Representatives, it has been the Democrats who have been creating the problems which led to Trump's action. They gave almost 5 times as much money to fund foreign nation's "walls" than they did our own nation's President, as well as their best to stymie Immigration enforcement in favor of more catch and release.

IMO if they really didn't want this "problem" to crop up they could have done some REAL compromising during the budget negotiations. It's not like Trump made his expected response a big secret.
For the Dems it's come down to: It doesn't matter what we supported and funded in the past, it doesn't matter if it would add to border security, it doesn't matter than the amount involved is a miniscule portion of the entire budget, it doesn't matter if we put government employees on the street for a month at a time; All that matters is
Truck Fump
 
So why didn't Trump declare an emergency then?

He plumb forgot? Was too busy golfing? No one on Fox told him to? Too busy trying to sink preexisting conditions and signing a tax bonanza for the wealthy?
 
While idiot leftists do their dutiful dance just like the media tells them to, Trumps poll numbers AFTER declaring the emergency have INCREASED, and the Wall is cited as a reason. His numbers have improved across the board, but especially with suburban housewives, black Americans, and Latino voters.
 
He plumb forgot? Was too busy golfing? No one on Fox told him to? Too busy trying to sink preexisting conditions and signing a tax bonanza for the wealthy?

your speculations are funnier than the actual reason
tRump never assigned one person to ride herd on this issue
when everyone is responsible, no one is
and no one was
didn't figure that out until the time of the paul ryan house expired
 
So why didn't Trump declare an emergency then?

I don't approve of his "state of emergency," and IMO it is likely he was never apprised of the possibility at the time for the same reason you stated, he and his inexperienced "staff' thought he could do it via a simple majority in Congress.
 
I don't approve of his "state of emergency," and IMO it is likely he was never apprised of the possibility at the time for the same reason you stated, he and his inexperienced "staff' thought he could do it via a simple majority in Congress.

Are you honestly suggesting that nobody in those first two years told him how government works? Hundreds of meetings with people with years of government experience and nobody told him? You can't seriously believe that.
 
Are you honestly suggesting that nobody in those first two years told him how government works? Hundreds of meetings with people with years of government experience and nobody told him? You can't seriously believe that.

are you actually assuming he was listening?
 
Are you honestly suggesting that nobody in those first two years told him how government works? Hundreds of meetings with people with years of government experience and nobody told him? You can't seriously believe that.

Wait, you've been one of the people who have been pointing out how his staff of "clowns" has been fumbling and bumbling around for two years, crowing about how he hasn't been able to recruit "quality" people, and gleefully recognizing that there was an active resistance "leaking" and otherwise undermining Trump's Administration because they think it is a "criminal enterprise," and you can ask that question? :roll:
 
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Wait, you've been one of the people who have been pointing out how his staff of clowns has been fumbling and bumbling around for two years, crowing about how he hasn't been able to recruit "quality" people, and gleefully recognizing that there was an active resistance "leaking" and otherwise undermining Trump's Administration because they think it is a "criminal enterprise," and you can ask that question? :roll:

Yeah, but he's met with McConnell and Ryan how many times? They're clowns to be sure, but they know the legislative process, wouldn't you agree? Are you suggesting that in those two years of meetings with experienced Congressional Republicans not a single one of them told him how anything works?
 
Yeah, but he's met with McConnell and Ryan how many times? They're clowns to be sure, but they know the legislative process, wouldn't you agree? Are you suggesting that in those two years of meetings with experienced Congressional Republicans not a single one of them told him how anything works?

Either that or as justabubba points out:

are you actually assuming he was listening?

Both are entirely possible. :shrug:

Still, that is irrelevant to the response I made. He simply did not have a supermajority in the Senate to guarantee he'd get anything much less everything he wanted passed.
 
Yeah, but he's met with McConnell and Ryan how many times? They're clowns to be sure, but they know the legislative process, wouldn't you agree? Are you suggesting that in those two years of meetings with experienced Congressional Republicans not a single one of them told him how anything works?
They did.

He just chooses not to listen.
 
Wait, you've been one of the people who have been pointing out how his staff of "clowns" has been fumbling and bumbling around for two years, crowing about how he hasn't been able to recruit "quality" people, and gleefully recognizing that there was an active resistance "leaking" and otherwise undermining Trump's Administration because they think it is a "criminal enterprise," and you can ask that question? :roll:
Everybody knows that Trump is an uninformed moron. Even people that work for him say it.
 
Either that or as justabubba points out:



Both are entirely possible. :shrug:

Still, that is irrelevant to the response I made. He simply did not have a supermajority in the Senate to guarantee he'd get anything much less everything he wanted passed.

I honestly have no idea how to respond to an argument that's basically, "My guy did what he did because he's stupid."
 
Moreover, since the change in the House of Representatives, it has been the Democrats who have been creating the problems which led to Trump's action. They gave almost 5 times as much money to fund foreign nation's "walls" than they did our own nation's President, as well as their best to stymie Immigration enforcement in favor of more catch and release.

IMO if they really didn't want this "problem" to crop up they could have done some REAL compromising during the budget negotiations. It's not like Trump made his expected response a big secret.

If only they rolled over and allowed Trump to be a dictator....
 
While idiot leftists do their dutiful dance just like the media tells them to, Trumps poll numbers AFTER declaring the emergency have INCREASED, and the Wall is cited as a reason. His numbers have improved across the board, but especially with suburban housewives, black Americans, and Latino voters.

He must be divine!

Let's see your source.
 
your speculations are funnier than the actual reason
tRump never assigned one person to ride herd on this issue
when everyone is responsible, no one is
and no one was
didn't figure that out until the time of the paul ryan house expired

Keep asking them why Repubs didn’t use reconciliation to get their wall. They have no answer.
 
Keep asking them why Repubs didn’t use reconciliation to get their wall. They have no answer.

the answer would be a sound one
they do not want to establish a precedent that will soon be used to the republicans' disadvantage
 
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