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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
    When they were trading slaves and colonizing countries, you're saying they were oppressed?

    I'm a Christian and this sounds absurd. Unless you mean "real Christians" who are a tiny minority within the cultural Christian world.

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    Ah that old argument resurfaces and it poorly defines what institutional power is. Its largely relative. If I as a white man, with a white family live in a country that is 70% white, and in a city that is 65% black, its very possible that many of the levers of institutional power are held by blacks, from the pastor of the local church, to most of the public school teachers, to many of the police or maybe the management of many of the local businesses. I can face discrimination at my job, my wife can face it at PTA meetings, and my kids can face it from coaches in the local high school. Localized power in the hands of bigots can control a lot in our lives. I can move away, but I can move away from a state a region or a country. The economic and social consequences of those relocations can coerce or intimidate as surely as the discrimination can..

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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Well if population numbers alone determine privilege and power, then that would mean White people are not privileged either. Whites are not a majority of the world's population. There are likely more Black people on earth than Whites. So does that mean Blacks or Asians have privilege for making up so much of the world?
    It's not in the numbers.

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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A black person can move to a black population majority, but that's not going to change the fact that a white vote carries greater international impact as a result of the power of white majority countries as a whole.
    But why do you think that is? Why are the White nations of America, Germany, Sweden, Australia, and the U.K more free, rich, tolerant, and safer than the non-white nations? More likely is that Whites hold more power today because they've generally made better choices over history. They've allowed free thought. They've created peace treaties and laws. They've separated Church from State. The African or Arab nations haven't exactly done the same.

    I feel that instead of pulling White people down to make them even with Black people, we should be pushing Black people up to make them even with White people. We should teaching and pushing the Middle East and Africa to do more of the smart things White nations have done. It is not a bad thing that White countries (and the White people in them) hold more global power. It is from these White countries (and White people) that free speech, peace treaties, equal rights, healthcare, economic freedom etc came from. Whites have more power because they've built a system that fosters growth and prosperity. They shouldn't be punished for that.

    Going by the way Muslims and Africans run their own countries, I'm not overly thrilled at the idea of them running the world.
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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    As a Christian, I need to speak out against all these modern day attacks on Christian bigots. Yes - Christians can say and indeed even do bad things, but on the world stage they are collectively the most oppressed group in history and even today. Thousands of them are killed, sold as sex slaves, or simply politically marginalized everyday, particularly in the Middle East.

    Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.


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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    As a Christian, I need to speak out against all these modern day attacks on Christian bigots. Yes - Christians can say and indeed even do bad things, but on the world stage they are collectively the most oppressed group in history and even today. Thousands of them are killed, sold as sex slaves, or simply politically marginalized everyday, particularly in the Middle East.

    Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Population does not equal power or privilege. I'm still waiting for you to name a group of people, religious or otherwise, that have suffered more throughout history and even today than Christians.

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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    But why do you think that is? Why are the White nations of America, Germany, Sweden, Australia, and the U.K more free, rich, tolerant, and safer than the non-white nations?
    Bloody land-grabbing, nation-robbing "windfall" resources for hundreds of years.

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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    Ah that old argument resurfaces and it poorly defines what institutional power is. Its largely relative. If I as a white man, with a white family live in a country that is 70% white, and in a city that is 65% black, its very possible that many of the levers of institutional power are held by blacks, from the pastor of the local church, to most of the public school teachers, to many of the police or maybe the management of many of the local businesses. I can face discrimination at my job, my wife can face it at PTA meetings, and my kids can face it from coaches in the local high school. Localized power in the hands of bigots can control a lot in our lives. I can move away, but I can move away from a state a region or a country. The economic and social consequences of those relocations can coerce or intimidate as surely as the discrimination can..
    Changing location to avoid racial bigotry against oneself is an exclusively white privilege. Racism, the social construct, is inescapable because context is global.

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    Re: Christians can't be racist

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Population does not equal power or privilege. I'm still waiting for you to name a group of people, religious or otherwise, that have suffered more throughout history and even today than Christians.
    Everyone else.

    If your religion is so great, then your "loving god" wouldn't let you suffer.

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