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Christians can't be racist

Felis Leo said:
I am not going to pretend to understand sociology as a whole, or do shallow internet research. Especially when it sounds like religious belief. I do not understand how this "majority power" manifests itself in any way that is either provable or useful beyond simple numbers. The plurality religion of the globe is Christian (of various sects). Granted. How does that majority power manifest for the benefit or privilege of individuals in non-Christian majority countries?
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You really can't see any ways privilege is manifested? This isn't something to be explained by a stranger on the net. This blind spot is absurd. Read about it.
 
Crusader13 said:
Dude, you kind of missed the point of this thread. My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek in the OP. This reasoning that Christians can't be racist because [insert any stupid reason to excuse racism] is indeed ludicrous, just like the reasoning that Blacks can't be racist because [insert any stupid reason to excuse racism]. It was a parody to highlight the idiocy of the typical leftist position.

Here's my real position (if it wasn't obvious already). Christians can indeed be, and indeed are, racist at times. Just like Black people in America or anywhere else can indeed be, and indeed are, racist at times. History, privilege, power, or any other nonsense do not excuse racism. If you say or do racist things, you're a racist. If you say or do ****ty things, you're a ****ty person, no matter what your skin colour, gender, cissnism, religion, or race is.
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Your intent is not clear or obvious. And given that the OP is indeed the view many have (if I had a dollar for every time I've heard blacks can't be racist...), it's not hard for anyone to assume such is your stance.

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maquiscat said:
Your error is in assuming that he is limiting the scope to the US. In fact he specifically mentions world wide.

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He was mentioning racism as described in the US so he was speaking to The US.
 
ecofarm said:
You really can't see any ways privilege is manifested? This isn't something to be explained by a stranger on the net. This blind spot is absurd. Read about it.
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You are right. Majority privilege can certainly manifest in privileges in countries where certain ethnic, religious and/or racial groups are in the majority and can exercise power through law or simple untrammeled force. Let me clarify: I do not see how this majority power manifests in the form of benefits or privileges in non-Christian-majority countries. How does the Global Christian majority benefit the individual Egyptian Christian, in your opinion? Or how does the fact that in most countries Christians are not oppressed have any bearing on countries in which Christians are oppressed?
 
Felis Leo said:
You are right. Majority privilege can certainly manifest in privileges in countries where certain ethnic, religious and/or racial groups are in the majority and can exercise power through law or simple untrammeled force. Let me clarify: I do not see how this majority power manifests in the form of benefits or privileges in non-Christian-majority countries. How does the Global Christian majority benefit the individual Egyptian Christian, in your opinion? Or how does the fact that in most countries Christians are not oppressed have any bearing on countries in which Christians are oppressed?
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On average, a vote by a Buddhist does not carry the same international weight as the vote of a Christian, due to the power of Christian majority countries as a whole in comparison.

A black person can move to a black population majority, but that's not going to change the fact that a white vote carries greater international impact as a result of the power of white majority countries as a whole.

One can, by changing context (reduction in the case of black, expansion in the case of white), change local population majority. But no one can change the existing global power majorities. We are all subject to that dynamic and inescapably so.
 
Crusader13 said:
Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
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When they were trading slaves and colonizing countries, you're saying they were oppressed?

I'm a Christian and this sounds absurd. Unless you mean "real Christians" who are a tiny minority within the cultural Christian world.
 
Ah that old argument resurfaces and it poorly defines what institutional power is. Its largely relative. If I as a white man, with a white family live in a country that is 70% white, and in a city that is 65% black, its very possible that many of the levers of institutional power are held by blacks, from the pastor of the local church, to most of the public school teachers, to many of the police or maybe the management of many of the local businesses. I can face discrimination at my job, my wife can face it at PTA meetings, and my kids can face it from coaches in the local high school. Localized power in the hands of bigots can control a lot in our lives. I can move away, but I can move away from a state a region or a country. The economic and social consequences of those relocations can coerce or intimidate as surely as the discrimination can..
 
Crusader13 said:
Well if population numbers alone determine privilege and power, then that would mean White people are not privileged either. Whites are not a majority of the world's population. There are likely more Black people on earth than Whites. So does that mean Blacks or Asians have privilege for making up so much of the world?
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It's not in the numbers.
 
ecofarm said:
A black person can move to a black population majority, but that's not going to change the fact that a white vote carries greater international impact as a result of the power of white majority countries as a whole.
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But why do you think that is? Why are the White nations of America, Germany, Sweden, Australia, and the U.K more free, rich, tolerant, and safer than the non-white nations? More likely is that Whites hold more power today because they've generally made better choices over history. They've allowed free thought. They've created peace treaties and laws. They've separated Church from State. The African or Arab nations haven't exactly done the same.

I feel that instead of pulling White people down to make them even with Black people, we should be pushing Black people up to make them even with White people. We should teaching and pushing the Middle East and Africa to do more of the smart things White nations have done. It is not a bad thing that White countries (and the White people in them) hold more global power. It is from these White countries (and White people) that free speech, peace treaties, equal rights, healthcare, economic freedom etc came from. Whites have more power because they've built a system that fosters growth and prosperity. They shouldn't be punished for that.

Going by the way Muslims and Africans run their own countries, I'm not overly thrilled at the idea of them running the world.
 
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Crusader13 said:
As a Christian, I need to speak out against all these modern day attacks on Christian bigots. Yes - Christians can say and indeed even do bad things, but on the world stage they are collectively the most oppressed group in history and even today. Thousands of them are killed, sold as sex slaves, or simply politically marginalized everyday, particularly in the Middle East.

Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
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Crusader13 said:
As a Christian, I need to speak out against all these modern day attacks on Christian bigots. Yes - Christians can say and indeed even do bad things, but on the world stage they are collectively the most oppressed group in history and even today. Thousands of them are killed, sold as sex slaves, or simply politically marginalized everyday, particularly in the Middle East.

Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
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Crusader13 said:
But why do you think that is? Why are the White nations of America, Germany, Sweden, Australia, and the U.K more free, rich, tolerant, and safer than the non-white nations?
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Bloody land-grabbing, nation-robbing "windfall" resources for hundreds of years.
 
btthegreat said:
Ah that old argument resurfaces and it poorly defines what institutional power is. Its largely relative. If I as a white man, with a white family live in a country that is 70% white, and in a city that is 65% black, its very possible that many of the levers of institutional power are held by blacks, from the pastor of the local church, to most of the public school teachers, to many of the police or maybe the management of many of the local businesses. I can face discrimination at my job, my wife can face it at PTA meetings, and my kids can face it from coaches in the local high school. Localized power in the hands of bigots can control a lot in our lives. I can move away, but I can move away from a state a region or a country. The economic and social consequences of those relocations can coerce or intimidate as surely as the discrimination can..
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Changing location to avoid racial bigotry against oneself is an exclusively white privilege. Racism, the social construct, is inescapable because context is global.
 
Crusader13 said:
Population does not equal power or privilege. I'm still waiting for you to name a group of people, religious or otherwise, that have suffered more throughout history and even today than Christians.
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Everyone else.

If your religion is so great, then your "loving god" wouldn't let you suffer.

Suckers...
 
Crusader13 said:
Population does not equal power or privilege. I'm still waiting for you to name a group of people, religious or otherwise, that have suffered more throughout history and even today than Christians.
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Is this a serious question, or more sarcasm?
 
Crusader13 said:
As a Christian, I need to speak out against all these modern day attacks on Christian bigots. Yes - Christians can say and indeed even do bad things, but on the world stage they are collectively the most oppressed group in history and even today. Thousands of them are killed, sold as sex slaves, or simply politically marginalized everyday, particularly in the Middle East.

Christians are the most oppressed group in history and today, therefore like the liberal argument support reverse black racism goes, Christians cannot be bigots, racists, or hateful. Their actions can be such, but they themselves don't have the institutional power around the world to stand up against everyday oppression.
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LMAO
This factually wrong claim is even MORE retarded than the other factually wrong and stupid claim that blacks cant be racist. Thanks for the laugh!! :laughat:
 
ecofarm said:
On average, a vote by a Buddhist does not carry the same international weight as the vote of a Christian, due to the power of Christian majority countries as a whole in comparison.

A black person can move to a black population majority, but that's not going to change the fact that a white vote carries greater international impact as a result of the power of white majority countries as a whole.

One can, by changing context (reduction in the case of black, expansion in the case of white), change local population majority. But no one can change the existing global power majorities. We are all subject to that dynamic and inescapably so.
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Insisting that global context is all that matters is fine in a utopian world where people can freely move between countries at little to no expense but we simply aren't there yet. The fact that Christians hold a majority of power and are privileged in western countries (which I'm not even sure that truly holds anymore as the western nations aren't theocratic and are more secular than Christian) means absolutely nothing to those who are oppressed in other countries. There are few instances where global context is even relevant.
 
Nap said:
Insisting that global context is all that matters is fine in a utopian world
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Nonsense.

Global context matters in global social dynamics. It's idiotic to cry about that.
 
ecofarm said:
Nonsense.

Global context matters in global social dynamics. It's idiotic to cry about that.
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That is the thing, no one cares about global social dynamics as the only context people care about is at the level they are affected by it.

The entire idea of grouping up white majority countries as one and saying that because they are the majority power that white people are privileged is ridiculous on the simple reason that skin color does not matter. A black person in many of western predominantly white countries is going to be more privileged than any other person regardless of race living outside of one. The fact that the western countries rose to prominence has nothing to do with race but on the basis of the culture that developed within that region. If the age of enlightenment happened in Africa rather than Europe we would all be talking about black privilege and speaking Swahili rather than English.
 
Nap said:
That is the thing, no one cares about global social dynamics as the only context people care about is at the level they are affected by it.
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Everyone is affected by it. You fail to grasp.
 
ecofarm said:
Changing location to avoid racial bigotry against oneself is an exclusively white privilege. Racism, the social construct, is inescapable because context is global.
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no, its FACTUALLY not. LMAO
unless the discussion is based on such content

Retarded lies like that will NEVER work because there are ZERO facts to support them and make them true. . . ZERO

disagree? post one that makes it true . . one

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ecofarm said:
Everyone is affected by it. You fail to grasp.
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So a Christian that is oppressed in a Muslim majority country is privileged because there are powerful Christian nations on the other side of the world? I'm sure they aren't nearly as affected by the global context as they are the knife at their throats.

What about the Jewish people? I'm curious to your position on them. Who is the privileged and who is the oppressed when it comes to them?
 
ecofarm said:
1.)Nonsense.
2.)Global context matters in global social dynamics.
3.) It's idiotic to cry about that.
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1.) yes your false claim is nonsense
2.) factually wrong, by definition racism is not based solely on global social dynamics. Your false claims fail again.
3.) i agree so you should stop making posting crying about it and posting lies that you cant support with any facts. Otherwise multiple posters will simply continue to own your false claims.
 
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