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Kamala Harris Wants To Get Rid Of Columbus Day

AlbqOwl said:
LOL. No actually Kamala is already a minority which puts her in a privileged class of a sort, but honestly I hate that the radical left is trying to destroy all of America's history and heritage in favor of how they intend to rewrite it.
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So, IOW, you hate something that isn't actually occurring. Odd.
Columbus isn't recognized because he was a noble person or because some of the consequences of his generation were not acceptable in this one, but because he dared to take a dangerous and daring adventure that resulted in opening up of the Americas to a great migration. And for all the good and all the bad that is inherent in ANY great migration, it did result in the great nation that is the United States of America.
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Happenstance, and others were here before him.
But the left won't allow us to even recognize, much less acknowledge the history, both the good and the bad, that made us what we are today. They want to reshape and remake this country into something of their own making and that requires erasing most of what we have learned from our history other than what they want us to believe however distorted that is.
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Yes, the left actually will do that for the good and the bad. It's the frothy, Yeehaw knee-jerk reactionart right that wants only the goody two shoes/city on a hill version of history presented.

Nothing requires that anything be 'erased'. To assert that is to scream that you have no honest interest (and, let's be clear, you actually don't) in understand what changing the name of the 'holiday' is actually about.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself here.
 
They should really just change it to Leif Erikson Day. This way people of European descent can celebrate a European first setting foot in North America, and the indigenous folks can celebrate chasing them out and preventing European invasion for another few hundred years. Must I do everything? GOSH!
 
Good4Nothin said:
But that's life, that's history, and it's over. I personally do not care if Columbus was a rat in some ways. So was every historical hero. So get over it, please (I know you won't).
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You should be more accurate. You don't care if Columbus brutalized and tortured the indigenous people. Your indifference to torture, murder and cruelty is noted.

How many heroes were considered rats in their own time by their own people?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Post #10 and still absolutely no argument as to why her position is incorrect, silly, ill-conceived etc. The only rationale for this thread so far is "she wants to change the name of something!" Might as well run around in circles screaming "rabble rabble rabble".
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Rabble rabble rabble

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AlbqOwl said:
LOL. No actually Kamala is already a minority which puts her in a privileged class of a sort, but honestly I hate that the radical left is trying to destroy all of America's history and heritage in favor of how they intend to rewrite it.

Columbus isn't recognized because he was a noble person or because some of the consequences of his generation were not acceptable in this one, but because he dared to take a dangerous and daring adventure that resulted in opening up of the Americas to a great migration. And for all the good and all the bad that is inherent in ANY great migration, it did result in the great nation that is the United States of America.

But the left won't allow us to even recognize, much less acknowledge the history, both the good and the bad, that made us what we are today. They want to reshape and remake this country into something of their own making and that requires erasing most of what we have learned from our history other than what they want us to believe however distorted that is.
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Baloney. Just because I might want to relate things like the history of, say Native Americans, including the brave work against their persecution by some white Americans, doesn’t mean I as a leftist want to trash the US and it’s great contributions to human freedom. Much of the sad US history that favors issues some on the left might be concerned about is indeed untold, with the good drowning out the bad: Until recently, most Americans didn’t know about the Wounded Knee massacre. Colorado still has a monument honoring (among others) Col. Chivington, responsible for Sand Creek massacre, (for his Civil War efforts). Until recently, there was no monument to the Haymarket demonstration/riot for an eight hour day. When I visited the site of the Ludlow killing of strikers some time ago, the only thing there was from the UMWorkers, not from Colorado or federal government. May Day as the worker’s day is celebrated everywhere except in the US and Canada I believe, yet it had its origins in the US. Even the Catholic Church, no commies they, celebrated St. Joseph the Worker on May 1. Our bias in this area has been clear.

You are right about Columbus’s extraordinary, honor-worthy skills as a navigator. But the consequences for those he “discovered” were catastrophic. Why should indigenous people or their allies view him any differently than the Romans did Attila the Hun, who no doubt had great skills as a horseman.

Harris is fine bringing that suggestion to light, if only to stir the pot. I repeat my recommendation in another post that the Soptanos dealt with this topic wonderfully. Google “he was gay, Gary Cooper?” to find the episode.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left are totally ridiculous to want to rewrite history. History is chock full of leaders and people such as Columbus who were both good and bad. I think it goes with the job.
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No one is rewriting history. I don't understand why you regularly feel the need to lie. I guess it's because you back such a failed ideology.
 
veritas1 said:
Jesus, this is unreal.
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I agree, your position is ridiculous.

1. We can celebrate indigenous peoples if we wish without erasing Columbus. How many times must I say this?
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But that's not what you are whining about. Do you not even realize your own position?

Your position is that we cannot possibly remove a holiday dedicated to a white man who was an awful human being and replace it with one celebrating a rich history of a traditionally repressed people because doing so would not be white enough. That is literally your argument.

No one is claiming you don't want an indigenous persons holiday. But YOU are saying it cannot be in place of the white man's holiday, because the white man who was not American and did not land on what is now American soil must be protected at all costs.

This is your position, not mine.

The person hung up on race and color, is you.
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Your exact words: "It's about attacking the white European heritage of America and either minimizing or burying it. That's all it's really about."

You made it about race and color, not me. Stop posting lies.

It's about keeping liberals from throwing history down the memory hole.
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Liberals are throwing history down the memory hole by wanting to honor history? How in the hell does that make sense to you?

Remembering Columbus or Confederates or whomever only to the degree that you say how evil they were, is not history because it has no context. History is rarely ever cut and dried.
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Actually, those who engaged in blatantly racist and hurtful behavior is fairly cut and dry. Columbus enslaved, mutilated and murdered people. Confederates literally committed treason to protect the act of enslaving another human being.

It's pretty cut and dry.

2. Again, you are hung up on racism.
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Only because you made your position racist. :shrug:

Why does that drive every argument the left makes? Why is it the first damn thing off their lips?
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You LITERALLY said your intent to protect Columbus day was to protect "the white European heritage of America". Those are your words. It was not the first thing off my lips, it was off YOUR lips.
Grokmaster said:
The Mohawks killed the Hurons just for being Huron, and vice versa...SAVAGELY...BRUTALLY TORTURED prisoners to death, as well.

Time to erase them from history...right?
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As I told you in another thread, your propaganda is terrible.

Moderate Right said:
Disinformation campaign?
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Yes.
These people are stating their socialist positions.
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How is wanting to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People Day socialist? I eagerly await the propaganda you shall provide.
 
RE: Erdogan claiming Turks found America before Columbus:

tres borrachos said:
I'm going to get vertigo from reading that, my head is shaking so much.

The Turkish president - whose AK Party is rooted in political Islam - gave no further evidence to back up his theory, instead stating: "Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th Century."

Wut?
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Don’t try to figure it out too much. Think of it this way: he is the Turkish version of Trump!
 
AlbqOwl said:
LOL. No actually Kamala is already a minority which puts her in a privileged class of a sort, but honestly I hate that the radical left is trying to destroy all of America's history and heritage in favor of how they intend to rewrite it.

Columbus isn't recognized because he was a noble person or because some of the consequences of his generation were not acceptable in this one, but because he dared to take a dangerous and daring adventure that resulted in opening up of the Americas to a great migration. And for all the good and all the bad that is inherent in ANY great migration, it did result in the great nation that is the United States of America.

But the left won't allow us to even recognize, much less acknowledge the history, both the good and the bad, that made us what we are today. They want to reshape and remake this country into something of their own making and that requires erasing most of what we have learned from our history other than what they want us to believe however distorted that is.
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Really? The "left" won't let you read about Columbus, have parties on his birthday, write books and songs about him? Who's stopping you from doing that because if you tell me I'll just call them up right now and and tell them to cut it out buster, you want to recognize Columbus and that is your right!
 
AlbqOwl said:
It was typical of the Spaniards of his generation and several other ethnic groups as well. Including the peoples Columbus is accused of slaughtering. Based on my understanding of the history, Anthony Hagar sums it up pretty well in this short essay:

Christopher Columbus: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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OK, so the people who Columbus sold into slavery, including little girls as sex slaves, and who tortured them for not finding enough gold, and killed a whole bunch of were "rather passive" but some other groups in the region were bad dudes, and who also abused the people Columbus abused.... That's a helluva defense, and the kind of dishonest garbage that I've come to expect from American "Thinker."

"Yeah, so I tortured and killed that little girl. So what? Her uncle was a convicted murderer, so, you know, it's all good." That's the logic of that link.
 
trixare4kids said:
This is something that should be left to the states to decide....
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No, when it comes to federal holidays that is up for the federal government to decide. States of course are free to observe different holidays.
 
Moderate Right said:
These socialists show their true colors more and more every day.


Kamala Harris Supports Changing Columbus Day To Indigenous People’s Day
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The thing about changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day has been going on for about a decade. I near Columbus Ohio named after Christopher Columbus where our Italian district raised the money for a huge bronze figure of the great Italian explorer that was erected in the 50's in front of City Hall. For about a decade now the leftists come out and protest the bronze figure as being a symbol of white supremacy. But Columbus wasn't really white. He had a tan color to his skin because he is from the Republic of Genoa. Today this place is called the Dominican Republic.

You know there have been some amazing archeological finds that have verified there were several who sailed to North America and landed on its eastern shores before Columbus. The Vikings, Knights Templar, Inca Empire to name some. The Incans are said to have traveled the entire coastline in search of blue clay. This was a very rare commodity for them as it was used to mix their pigments to cover their sacred buildings in art.

This declaration by Harris is just another attempt to play her self righteous race card.
 
vesper said:
The thing about changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day has been going on for about a decade. I near Columbus Ohio named after Christopher Columbus where our Italian district raised the money for a huge bronze figure of the great Italian explorer that was erected in the 50's in front of City Hall. For about a decade now the leftists come out and protest the bronze figure as being a symbol of white supremacy. But Columbus wasn't really white. He had a tan color to his skin because he is from the Republic of Genoa. Today this place is called the Dominican Republic.

You know there have been some amazing archeological finds that have verified there were several who sailed to North America and landed on its eastern shores before Columbus. The Vikings, Knights Templar, Inca Empire to name some. The Incans are said to have traveled the entire coastline in search of blue clay. This was a very rare commodity for them as it was used to mix their pigments to cover their sacred buildings in art.

This declaration by Harris is just another attempt to play her self righteous race card.
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We've discussed Columbus many times on here and I do not see any reason in 2019 to have a national dang holiday to celebrate the guy. He was a criminal and murderous thug by the standards of HIS era, he just happened to be the first European to get here.

But I agree with that last sentence, and the pandering turns me off. Unless I've missed something and this is a long-standing cause for Harris...
 
tres borrachos said:
Except Leif Erickson made it to the New World before Columbus did. And the indigenous people were here before all of them.
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Yip he made it all the way to Minnesota, hence the Minnesota Vikings...
 
vesper said:
The thing about changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day has been going on for about a decade. I near Columbus Ohio named after Christopher Columbus where our Italian district raised the money for a huge bronze figure of the great Italian explorer that was erected in the 50's in front of City Hall. For about a decade now the leftists come out and protest the bronze figure as being a symbol of white supremacy. But Columbus wasn't really white. He had a tan color to his skin because he is from the Republic of Genoa. Today this place is called the Dominican Republic.

You know there have been some amazing archeological finds that have verified there were several who sailed to North America and landed on its eastern shores before Columbus. The Vikings, Knights Templar, Inca Empire to name some. The Incans are said to have traveled the entire coastline in search of blue clay. This was a very rare commodity for them as it was used to mix their pigments to cover their sacred buildings in art.

This declaration by Harris is just another attempt to play her self righteous race card.
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Wow.

Genoa is in northwestern Italy, near Turin and Milan. The Dominican Republic shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. They're about 4800 miles apart.

You fail geography FOREVER.

As far as Italians being "not really white," you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in True Romance.
 
JasperL said:
We've discussed Columbus many times on here and I do not see any reason in 2019 to have a national dang holiday to celebrate the guy. He was a criminal and murderous thug by the standards of HIS era, he just happened to be the first European to get here.

But I agree with that last sentence, and the pandering turns me off. Unless I've missed something and this is a long-standing cause for Harris...
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No he wasn't the first European to make the voyage to the North American continent. Yes after his first voyage he was made Governor of the Indies and there is evidence the way he governed resulted in atrocities. But even after that he was commissioned for three more explorations of the new world. The later crimes he was charged were politically motivated.


It was FDR that declared Christopher Columbus Day an national holiday in 1937.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Right, he should have stayed home in Italy. Europeans should never have come here with their smallpox. The USA should never have existed. Why should we celebrate a country that has been unfair to so many? In fact, we should hand the whole thing back to the Indians and we could all go live in Siberia.
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I've always wanted to go to Siberia, I understand there are salmon a d steelhead rivers there that have never been fished.

Not to mention brown bear hunting...
 
Kobie said:
Wow.

Genoa is in northwestern Italy, near Turin and Milan. The Dominican Republic shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. They're about 4800 miles apart.

You fail geography FOREVER.

As far as Italians being "not really white," you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in True Romance.
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The facts I gave of his birthplace are backed up by many historians. You don't think in the 1400's people didn't migrate? Columbus at a young age was already sailing in the world as he knew it seeking to make money in the spice trade. His wife was a native of Portugal and his lover lived in Spain.
 
tres borrachos said:
Erikson landed in Newfoundland in 999 AD. You didn't know that?
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I know that's been claimed, but I wasn't aware that it's been proven. The accounts of Erikson are taken from Norse sagas, or legends, which were written hundreds of years after the presumed events took place. It looks like Norsemen were in Newfoundland, then, well, they weren't. Maybe they were eaten by penguins or something. :shrug: Like I said: No Columbus, no United States.

tres borrachos said:
No, they weren't running around in loin clothes (sic) in Newfoundland. It's too cold.
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You sure about that?

The Beothuk covered their lower torso with a loincloth. :shock:

Beothuk Appearance and Clothing Items
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vesper said:
The facts I gave of his birthplace are backed up by many historians. You don't think in the 1400's people didn't migrate? Columbus at a young age was already sailing in the world as he knew it seeking to make money in the spice trade. His wife was a native of Portugal and his lover lived in Spain.
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Kobie was reacting to this particular part of post #190

He had a tan color to his skin because he is from the Republic of Genoa. Today this place is called the Dominican Republic.
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The republic of Genoa is located in Italy.

The Dominican Republic is located on the same island as Haiti.
 
Ahlevah said:
I know that's been claimed, but I wasn't aware that it's been proven. The accounts of Erikson are taken from Norse sagas, or legends, which were written hundreds of years after the presumed events took place. It looks like Norsemen were in Newfoundland, then, well, they weren't. Maybe they were eaten by penguins or something. :shrug: Like I said: No Columbus, no United States.



You sure about that?
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There is a museum in northern Minnesota with viking artifacts found there...
 
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