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Trump is the most corrupt and incompetent President we have ever had

Fledermaus said:
And that changes the numbers how?
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It points out how corrupt Trump himself is. If a corporation gets sued, there could be a large number of people involved in the corruption. With the Trump organization, there is only 1 person to blame. He cannot turn around and fire himself as a corporation can by firing the CEO, the CFO or any of the department heads. If one of more people are corrupt in a corporation, it can be fixed. When there is only 1 person in a corporation and that person is corrupt, the only thing that can be done is close it down entirely, which is what the American public wants to do with Trump. Shut him down completely.
 
Luckyone said:
It points out how corrupt Trump himself is. If a corporation gets sued, there could be a large number of people involved in the corruption. With the Trump organization, there is only 1 person to blame. He cannot turn around and fire himself as a corporation can by firing the CEO, the CFO or any of the department heads. If one of more people are corrupt in a corporation, it can be fixed. When there is only 1 person in a corporation and that person is corrupt, the only thing that can be done is close it down entirely, which is what the American public wants to do with Trump. Shut him down completely.
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Trump has not incorporated any of his businesses?

Really?
 
Fledermaus said:
Trump has not incorporated any of his businesses?

Really?
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This is not about being incorporated or not. I am sure he is incorporated. It is about whether it is publicly traded or privately owned. A privately owned company does not have to report to anyone except the IRS and then only about income. A publicly traded company has to report everything (income, profits, losses, investors, changes of principals, guidelines they follow, guidance for the future) every 3 months

The Trump Organization is the collective name for a group of approximately 500 business entities of which Donald Trump, the current U.S. President, is the sole or principal owner. Approximately 250 entities use the Trump name. Donald Trump's grandmother Elizabeth Christ Trump and father Fred Trump founded the organization in 1923 as E. Trump & Son, and it was led from 1971 to 2017 by Donald Trump, who renamed the company around 1973.
 
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Luckyone said:
This is not about being incorporated or not. I am sure he is incorporated. It is about whether it is publicly traded or privately owned. A privately owned company does not have to report to anyone except the IRS and then only about income. A publicly traded company has to report everything (income, profits, losses, investors, changes of principals, guidelines they follow, guidance for the future) every 3 months

The Trump Organization is the collective name for a group of approximately 500 business entities of which Donald Trump, the current U.S. President, is the sole or principal owner. Approximately 250 entities use the Trump name. Donald Trump's grandmother Elizabeth Christ Trump and father Fred Trump founded the organization in 1923 as E. Trump & Son, and it was led from 1971 to 2017 by Donald Trump, who renamed the company around 1973.
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Pin balling.
 
Fledermaus said:
A couple of questions...

He has been convicted how many times?

And to the law suits. Are they disproportionate for someone who employed the same number of people or had as many business dealings?

And are any of your numbers related to the time he is in office.

Numbers without context are just noise....

BTW - Check the Grant and Harding administration's for examples of graft and misdoings by an administration.
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The OP is quite ignorant of history, apparently.
 
veritas1 said:
Booming economy, higher wages, more jobs, new trade deals, progress on securing the border, winding down involvements abroad, no more NK missile launches, Iran neutered by sanctions, etc, etc, etc. Now, imagine if this guy were actually competent!!!! :lamo
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Objective reality plays no role in the Boo hoo, Trump won whiners.
 
I would at least like Trump supporters to admit that Trump sucks at hiring good people. Even Trump badmouths the people he hired so it shouldn’t hurt that much to admit that one thing.
 
Fledermaus said:
A couple of questions...

He has been convicted how many times?

And to the law suits. Are they disproportionate for someone who employed the same number of people or had as many business dealings?

And are any of your numbers related to the time he is in office.

Numbers without context are just noise....

BTW - Check the Grant and Harding administration's for examples of graft and misdoings by an administration.
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Entirely irrelevant. Once again we see the lying right trying to "normalize" Trump. But, while we're here, yes indeed lawsuits go beyond the average and then some. And the one's launched against him outnumber the other way.

Having said that your techniques have failed. You can post and post and post all the **** you want, but we've seen over two years NONE of it is anywhere near true.

Lies. Trump lies 15 times a day, he lies about his lies....the entire problem at the border he made as part of his campaign. So we can quit the civility and the disguised distractions. You lie.

That's all anyone needs to know. About what is irrelevent.

By the way is Trump even American? I've never seen his birth certificate. I think he was born in Russia
 
Luckyone said:
Lets face it.

Trump is the most corrupt and incompetent president that we have ever had. His entire life has been about corruption. His ties to the U.S. mafia goes back to 1979 when Trump Tower got built and his ties to the Russian mafia goes back 30 years.

In his administration, he has hired a litany of corrupt people, including Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Gates, Pruitt, Price, Ross, Mnuchin, Zinke and then from a competency point of view, his WH has been full of incompetent people starting with many on the list above and the all the way down to Omarosa and Bannon that have no qualifications for being there. To finish it off, Kushner (a man with no experience) being the right hand man of the President. That is about as ridiculous as it gets. The WH has no talent.

This incompetency accusation can't even begin to be debated as he himself has called most of the people he has hired incompetent. Talk about the height of incompetency, that takes the cake!

In addition to all of this, every single day a new investigation comes out about him or his organizations. Never before has anyone been investigated or accused of so much as Trump is accused of, not even Nixon. Starting with 22 accusation of sexual misconduct to his organizations being investigated to investigations about Russian collusion.

In his life Trump has always been involved with people accusing him of some impropriety. He has been sued over 3500 times by people that worked for him, had business dealings with him, or that he promised something to but did not deliver.

Trump supporters will argue that he is innocent of all of this and ask "where is the proof?" but the reality is that where there is smoke there is usually a fire and with the amount of smoke around Trump, the fire is indicative of someone that is corrupt and incompetent to the nth degree. It is virtually impossible that with Trump's 40-50 year record of all of these accusations, investigations, and actual failures that he is not corrupt and incompetent.

It is clearly evident that Trump is the most corrupt and most incompetent President we have ever had. The perfect patsy for Putin (our enemy) to use to effect changes to the Democracy he most hates.
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Cool story, bro.


Tim-
 
Fledermaus said:
Pin balling.
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Pin balling? No, it is proof that Trump can do what he wants without having to report to anyone. It is an open table for someone that has a history of doing things the dirty way (through mafia connections and taking advantage). By the way, have you ever heard that among some people (like Trump), money is God and when there is a pressing need for money (as Trump was in in the 1990's) and banks will not loan you any money, that person will turn to sharks to get the money and in the process sell their souls? ever heard anything like that in your life?
 
I see that the OP is still mad and whining about the fact that "her turn" the corrupt crooked serial liar Hillary didnt win.
 
Luckyone said:
Pin balling? No, it is proof that Trump can do what he wants without having to report to anyone. It is an open table for someone that has a history of doing things the dirty way (through mafia connections and taking advantage). By the way, have you ever heard that among some people (like Trump), money is God and when there is a pressing need for money (as Trump was in in the 1990's) and banks will not loan you any money, that person will turn to sharks to get the money and in the process sell their souls? ever heard anything like that in your life?
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Get back to me if or when you figure out if Trump was sued more or less than other corporations...
 
Fearandloathing said:
Entirely irrelevant. Once again we see the lying right trying to "normalize" Trump. But, while we're here, yes indeed lawsuits go beyond the average and then some. And the one's launched against him outnumber the other way.

Having said that your techniques have failed. You can post and post and post all the **** you want, but we've seen over two years NONE of it is anywhere near true.

Lies. Trump lies 15 times a day, he lies about his lies....the entire problem at the border he made as part of his campaign. So we can quit the civility and the disguised distractions. You lie.

That's all anyone needs to know. About what is irrelevent.

By the way is Trump even American? I've never seen his birth certificate. I think he was born in Russia
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A politician lies.

Stop the presses.

The OP made claims about lawsuits and criminal activity.

That is what I asked about.

You are free to show me the numbers....
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I would at least like Trump supporters to admit that Trump sucks at hiring good people. Even Trump badmouths the people he hired so it shouldn’t hurt that much to admit that one thing.
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That is the Number 1 failure in Trumps tenure.

For the most part he has chosen poorly or naively.

Sometimes he does pick well only to marginalize, ignore or fire the person later.

I read long ago that FDR wasn't knowledgeable on a number of things but what was good at was surrounding himself with people who did know.
 
TurtleDude said:
Objective reality plays no role in the Boo hoo, Trump won whiners.
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Are you aware of how a scam works?

It begins by offering the sucker something they would not otherwise be able to get (higher wages, less unemployment, a better economy). Once the sucker is hooked, the scammer goes for the throat to get what he wants in the first place (8 years in office so he can milk it personally for all he can get, more power to accomplish more, suckers to do his bidding, etc).

Trump saw the opportunity with an economy that was growing but not fast enough for some people, unemployment that had come down from 9.1% to 4.3% but was probably going lower, a black president that was hated by the racists and a woman that was trying to become the first woman president in the history of the USA but was far from criticism-free, and a Republican party that wanted tax cuts and deregulation which by nature would stimulate short term growth of the economy and a Russian president that hated the U.S. and was willing to help dethrone the people that hated him.

Wow, what a perfect opportunity for a scam that would accomplish everything he wanted. The only problem he could foresee is that he was incompetent (did not know how to run a nation) and that might catch up to him before he accomplished all of his goals. So he invented the Fake News explanation so his suckers would believe him in spite of the avalanche of news to the contrary.

This is a scam where everything fit perfectly so he could accomplish his goal.

The one thing he forgot to understand (given his incompetency) is that there are many smart people around and that this is a Democracy that has stood up to all attacks for 240 years and that tearing it down is not that easy. This is understandable given that Trump has such an ego and high egos tend to think they know more than anyone else (I alone can do it! I could kill someone on 5th avenue and my supporters would still support me! I know more than the generals).

Can you see the picture? Have you not seen this movie before 100 times? Is this not "human nature"?
 
Luckyone said:
Are you aware of how a scam works?

It begins by offering the sucker something they would not otherwise be able to get (higher wages, less unemployment, a better economy). Once the sucker is hooked, the scammer goes for the throat to get what he wants in the first place (8 years in office so he can milk it personally for all he can get, more power to accomplish more, suckers to do his bidding, etc).

Trump saw the opportunity with an economy that was growing but not fast enough for some people, unemployment that had come down from 9.1% to 4.3% but was probably going lower, a black president that was hated by the racists and a woman that was trying to become the first woman president in the history of the USA but was far from criticism-free, and a Republican party that wanted tax cuts and deregulation which by nature would stimulate short term growth of the economy and a Russian president that hated the U.S. and was willing to help dethrone the people that hated him.

Wow, what a perfect opportunity for a scam that would accomplish everything he wanted. The only problem he could foresee is that he was incompetent (did not know how to run a nation) and that might catch up to him before he accomplished all of his goals. So he invented the Fake News explanation so his suckers would believe him in spite of the avalanche of news to the contrary.

This is a scam where everything fit perfectly so he could accomplish his goal.

The one thing he forgot to understand (given his incompetency) is that there are many smart people around and that this is a Democracy that has stood up to all attacks for 240 years and that tearing it down is not that easy. This is understandable given that Trump has such an ego and high egos tend to think they know more than anyone else (I alone can do it! I could kill someone on 5th avenue and my supporters would still support me! I know more than the generals).

Can you see the picture? Have you not seen this movie before 100 times? Is this not "human nature"?
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Just as I said-BOOHOO Trump won.
 
Fledermaus said:
Get back to me if or when you figure out if Trump was sued more or less than other corporations...
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You cannot compare organizations to individuals. Organizations by the very nature that they offer a product/service to the general public (350 million people) will be sued repeatedly. Nonetheless, Trump has been sued by the people that hired him and those that worked for him. In addition, most organization stay in business after they have been sued. Trump has declared bankruptcy 6 times and has 7 other failures that closed up. Last but not least and given that he is not a publicly traded company, he has been sued personally and therefore cannot be compared with public companies. There is not one single person before Trump who has been sued so many times. It is unprecedented.
 
Luckyone said:
You cannot compare organizations to individuals. Organizations by the very nature that they offer a product/service to the general public (350 million people) will be sued repeatedly. Nonetheless, Trump has been sued by the people that hired him and those that worked for him. In addition, most organization stay in business after they have been sued. Trump has declared bankruptcy 6 times and has 7 other failures that closed up. Last but not least and given that he is not a publicly traded company, he has been sued personally and therefore cannot be compared with public companies. There is not one single person before Trump who has been sued so many times. It is unprecedented.
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Oh, gosh!

Trump has been sued!

Golly darn a business man has been sued!

Damn sure makes him ineligible to hold office. Doesn't it?
 
Fledermaus said:
Oh, gosh!

Trump has been sued!

Golly darn a business man has been sued!

Damn sure makes him ineligible to hold office. Doesn't it?
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Well, it has become evident that no matter who Trump is or what he has done you support him. Then why were you against Obama and Hillary? Trump has as much or more dirt than they ever did but you certainly weren't ready to accept them with their negatives but are willing to accept Trump with his negatives? Oxymoron or simple Hypocrisy?
 
Sand Castle said:
Please do not use God and Trump in the same paragraph
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Too much for democrats to handle in the same sentence? Either cast God out or cast Trump out or cast them both out because the democrat level of hatred for both is too much to endure when dealing with both at the same time?
 
TurtleDude said:
Just as I said-BOOHOO Trump won.
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So you are not a discerning person who cares about right and wrong, right? You just want to win at any cost, right?

With people like you we will end up with:

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Skeptic Bob said:
I would at least like Trump supporters to admit that Trump sucks at hiring good people. Even Trump badmouths the people he hired so it shouldn’t hurt that much to admit that one thing.
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WTG, don't hold anything back. Keep holding their feet in the fire!...
 
Luckyone said:
Well, it has become evident that no matter who Trump is or what he has done you support him. Then why were you against Obama and Hillary? Trump has as much or more dirt than they ever did but you certainly weren't ready to accept them with their negatives but are willing to accept Trump with his negatives? Oxymoron or simple Hypocrisy?
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Do not confuse countering your nonsense with support of Trump.

I thought Obama a decent president though I disapproved of some of his ideas.

I thought Hillary a poor choice for the Democrats and a piss poor example for women.

Now that we got that out of the way, have you figured out the numbers yet?
 
Fledermaus said:
Do not confuse countering your nonsense with support of Trump.

I thought Obama a decent president though I disapproved of some of his ideas.

I thought Hillary a poor choice for the Democrats and a piss poor example for women.

Now that we got that out of the way, have you figured out the numbers yet?
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I gave them to you. You just refuse to acknowledge facts. There is nothing I can do about that.
 
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