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Does the emergency Trump describes at the border really exist?

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Trump has said things have gotten so bad at the border that we need a wall and that without a wall there exists an emergency at our borders. Do you believe that such an emergency exists? Do you think that a wall or fence at the border will solve the emergency if it exists?
 
Getting every GOP Senator’s vote on the record for this ‘emergency’ will be a good start.
 
He bragged that illegal border crossings were at a multi-decade low. :shrug:
 
independentusa said:
Trump has said things have gotten so bad at the border that we need a wall and that without a wall there exists an emergency at our borders. Do you believe that such an emergency exists? Do you think that a wall or fence at the border will solve the emergency if it exists?
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Of course. I mean, think of the children in Kentucky! They need border protection even more than they need schools.

The wall will help get rid of the millions of illegals already here, too!
 
Well, when this is happening...



...at all points along our border, and the only response is "let them in, house them, process them, reward them for jumping the line?"

Don't forget, the most recent "caravan" did this at Mexico's southern border:



I'd say there was an emergency along our border, that it is an EXTERNAL threat that has been recognized for years and for some reason (likely just because now it is Trump making the "demand") some people don't think we should do anything about it.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Well, when this is happening...



...at all points along our border, and the only response is "let them in, house them, process them, reward them for jumping the line?"

I'd say there was an emergency along our border, that it is an EXTERNAL threat that has been recognized for years and for some reason (likely just because now it is Trump making the "demand") some people don't think we should do anything about it.
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Those desperate people were attempting to apply for asylum.....Yet to the ignorant paranoid bigoted trump base...It is an Invasion!
 
A few years ago a local talk station was playing up a story about a border region that had become so dangerous that U.S. authorities wouldn't go there. Apparently it was in a national park area, and had become a steady corridor for border crossings.

That resonated with me at the time, but it seems like that situation was either a lie or short lived, because if that was going on today it would certainly kick Trump's emergency up a notch or two.

I think his lines about human/drug trafficking are nonsense, because there are easier ways for both to get through. Actually carrying drugs across the border seems pretty small-time to me. It doesn't make sense do that, once you're up and running. It's slower and less certain than other options.

Cartels have been known to operate submarines and dig tunnels, and yet we're suppose to be focused on some poor shlub with a backpack full of cheap weed wandering around in the desert?
 
independentusa said:
Trump has said things have gotten so bad at the border that we need a wall and that without a wall there exists an emergency at our borders. Do you believe that such an emergency exists? Do you think that a wall or fence at the border will solve the emergency if it exists?
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While not the term I would use,not sure it is way off base. Until fairly recently discussion of illegal immigration was an agreed to bi-partisan issue. How to fix that problem, not so much.

It was a problem 30 years ago when the then president tried to reach a solution and has been since. So when does a problem become an emergency one might ask. If you had a cut that did not seem bad but the bleeding did not stop for hours you might go the the emergency room as an example. When someone is driving impaired and swerving slightly,perhaps it is a problem. When that person nearly drives someone off the road it can become an emergency and someone will call 9-1-1.

Thus in the case of illegal immigration that has been going on for so long when does it reach the emergency threshold? Perhaps we have. A wall may be a partial solution for one type of this problem. E-verify seems like another. More judges to work the backlog yet another.

How about a country of immigrants going back and increasing legal immigration and ridding ourselves to the extent possible of illegal immigration.
 
Saladin4 said:
Those desperate people were attempting to apply for asylum.....Yet to the ignorant paranoid bigoted trump base...It is an Invasion!
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Really? :roll:

Then how do you explain the second video showing these same people breaking through Mexico's southern border? Why didn't they seek asylum in Mexico, or are you accusing that nation of not being "free" enough?

Were they desperately seeking "asylum" or merely desperately seeking a better economic situation, and Mexico just wasn't "rich enough" or not enough "free benefits?"
 
trump say it is a National Emergency!!!.......So he goes golfing for 3 days straight...What a joke
 
Captain Adverse said:
Really?

Then how do you explain the second video showing these same people breaking through Mexico's southern border? Why didn't they seek asylum in Mexico, or are you accusing that nation of not being "free" enough?
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So by your logic...The Border wall should be down there...Sure.....Interesting how getting 1.4 Billion in Border security translates into "doing nothing"
 
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I just don't see it.
 
Rogue Valley said:
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I just don't see it.
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The real "emergency" is trump is desperate to appease his base of angry bigots....He could probably careless about a wall...But he ran his fat mouth and the bigots expect it...What a pathetic waste of time this whole charade has been
 
Saladin4 said:
So by your logic...The Border wall should be down there...Sure.....Interesting how getting 1.4 Billion in Border security translates into "doing nothing"
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Nope. Simply reminding you that TRUE "asylum seekers" are supposed to request it at the first "free" nation they arrive in, not "pick and choose" the best one once they have "escaped the persecutions" causing them to flee in the first place.

Once they are "free" of the oppressive system, when they decide to pick and choose where to live...they become NORMAL immigrants and should be subject to the same immigration laws as any other NORMAL immigrant...not special consideration simply because you think they get to jump the line.
 
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The border isn’t without its problems by any stretch, but it isn’t an emergency.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Nope. Simply reminding you that TRUE "asylum seekers" are supposed to request it at the first "free" nation they arrive in, not "pick and choose" the best one once they have "escaped the persecutions" causing them to flee in the first place.

Once they are "free" of the oppressive system, when they decide to pick and choose where to live...they become NORMAL immigrants and should be subject to the same immigration laws as any other NORMAL immigrant...not special consideration simply because you think they get to jump the line.
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They were desperate, and acted out of frustration....and they were NOT allowed in....Yet your kind depicts them as "invaders-criminals-middle easterners"......Sad to the level of bigotry and racism the trump lovers spit out
 
I back the President 's campaign promise 100% to build a wall and Mexico will pay for the wall!
 
washunut said:
Thus in the case of illegal immigration that has been going on for so long when does it reach the emergency threshold? Perhaps we have. A wall may be a partial solution for one type of this problem. E-verify seems like another. More judges to work the backlog yet another.

How about a country of immigrants going back and increasing legal immigration and ridding ourselves to the extent possible of illegal immigration.
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You're over there dripping with better options than anyone in politics is serious about pushing.

Trump and the rest (both parties) aren't trying to fix anything. The status quo is what the donor class prefers. As evidence I'll point out that all of your solutions (apart from the the wall) will impact them negatively. Properly run, E-verify could snuff out this problem in a few years more or less permanently, even with a blanket amnesty attached for people inside the country already.

Ultimately, we need immigrants of every sort. It's part of our economic system that we need a steady supply of poor folk to serve the wealthy and middle classes. Skilled immigrants are also a blessing, and attracting them is part of being competitive with other nations. One way or another, immigration will happen, and we regular folks are going to be competing with them for jobs. Anything else will be a true emergency.

The people calling the shots want an underclass with limited rights, preferably afraid they will have their life torn apart at any moment. It's just good business.

They're getting what they're paying for, so far.
 
We do need better immigration laws and enforcement of existing labor laws, but a wall will not solve it.

50% of illegal aliens enter through legal points, then overstay visas. A wall will simply make this proportion grow.
A wall is defeated many ways, with ladders, small planes, tunnels, boats at sea, hot air balloons, not to forget, it can be damaged in multiple ways with bombs, bulldozers, and other heavy armaments that drug cartels will make a point of honor in using.

True enforcement of labor laws, including, throwing in jail (with long mandatory sentences and disabling fines) the American employers who offer jobs to the illegals, would do a lot more to curb illegal immigration than walls.

This should be coupled with reform in the way someone qualifies for immigration (to make it merit-based rather than family reunion-based), and enhancement of non-immigrant work permits.

So, no, no emergency.

The appearance of an emergency was created by the Trump administration (the humanitarian part, which is a refugee issue, not an illegal immigration issue). Drugs and illegals enter mostly by legal points.

If a wall is built, it will do nothing to stop the influx of asylum seekers. They just need to present to a legal entry point and petition for refugee status. And it will do little to curb the problem of illegal immigration.

If we keep offering jobs to illegals, they will find a way to come, wall or not. If we stop offering jobs, they won't come even without a wall, and the ones already here will leave.

I'd favor focusing all the resources into enforcement of labor laws. The billions Trump wants for the wall would be more efficiently spent on hiring Labor Department auditors.

If we did all that and money were still available for more, then, sure, some physical barriers might help a little. But focusing on a wall without fixing anything else is an obvious waste of tax-payers money.

Unless Mexico pays for it... that was the original plan, wasn't it, Donald? So why are you now asking us to pay for it?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Well, when this is happening...



...at all points along our border, and the only response is "let them in, house them, process them, reward them for jumping the line?"

Don't forget, the most recent "caravan" did this at Mexico's southern border:



I'd say there was an emergency along our border, that it is an EXTERNAL threat that has been recognized for years and for some reason (likely just because now it is Trump making the "demand") some people don't think we should do anything about it.
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The people in your first video are ****ing walking up to a border checkpoint and presenting themselves. I mean what the **** do you think a wall is doing here.
 
GreatNews2night said:
We do need better immigration laws and enforcement of existing labor laws, but a wall will not solve it.

50% of illegal aliens enter through legal points, then overstay visas. A wall will simply make this proportion grow.
A wall is defeated many ways, with ladders, small planes, tunnels, boats at sea, hot air balloons, not to forget, it can be damaged in multiple ways with bombs, bulldozers, and other heavy armaments that drug cartels will make a point of honor in using.

True enforcement of labor laws, including, throwing in jail (with long mandatory sentences and disabling fines) the American employers who offer jobs to the illegals, would do a lot more to curb illegal immigration than walls.

This should be coupled with reform in the way someone qualifies for immigration (to make it merit-based rather than family reunion-based), and enhancement of non-immigrant work permits.

So, no, no emergency.

The appearance of an emergency was created by the Trump administration (the humanitarian part, which is a refugee issue, not an illegal immigration issue). Drugs and illegals enter mostly by legal points.

If a wall is built, it will do nothing to stop the influx of asylum seekers. They just need to present to a legal entry point and petition for refugee status. And it will do little to curb the problem of illegal immigration.

If we keep offering jobs to illegals, they will find a way to come, wall or not. If we stop offering jobs, they won't come even without a wall, and the ones already here will leave.

I'd favor focusing all the resources into enforcement of labor laws. The billions Trump wants for the wall would be more efficiently spent on hiring Labor Department auditors.

If we did all that and money were still available for more, then, sure, some physical barriers might help a little. But focusing on a wall without fixing anything else is an obvious waste of tax-payers money.

Unless Mexico pays for it... that was the original plan, wasn't it, Donald? So why are you now asking us to pay for it?
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Well said.
 
independentusa said:
Trump has said things have gotten so bad at the border that we need a wall and that without a wall there exists an emergency at our borders. Do you believe that such an emergency exists? Do you think that a wall or fence at the border will solve the emergency if it exists?
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"Does the emergency Trump describes at the border really exist"?

no lmao of course not

whats even more sad . . .or stupid i guess . . if it did exist a wall would factually not fix it. Its pure nuttery . . entertaining watching it but its pure nuttery . . .

anybody that claims illegal immigration is a crisis/emergency situation and drugs are a crisis/emergency situation and their many focus/solution is the wall is bat**** insane and retarded LOL

i said it again and ill say it before focus on the wall is like putting a band-aid on a skinned knee when you also have a bullet hole and knife in you
 
Look at Italy. They suffer with illegal immigration from North Africa. These are immigrants that come from far away, across the Mediterranean Sea (so Italy wouldn't need to build a wall between them and the countries that send the migrants) but they still come with makeshift boats. If we had a wall, Mexicans and Central American illegal immigrants would come by sea (and other means).

Now look at the northern border with Canada. There is no wall, but there is no massive illegal entry from there.

Why is that?

Because Italy is more developed than North Africa. And because Canada is equally as developed as the United States.

So Northern Africans need to work in Italy. Canadians don't need to work in the US.

It's the differential in job market that makes illegal immigration, walls or not.

Fix the issue of job offers and they'll stop coming. Don't fix it, and they'll continue to come, even with a wall.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Look at Italy. They suffer with illegal immigration from North Africa. These are immigrants that come from far away, across the Mediterranean Sea (so Italy wouldn't need to build a wall between them and the countries that send the migrants) but they still come with makeshift boats. If we had a wall, Mexicans and Central American illegal immigrants would come by sea (and other means).

Now look at the northern border with Canada. There is no wall, but there is no massive illegal entry from there.

Why is that?

Because Italy is more developed than North Africa. And because Canada is equally as developed as the United States.

So Northern Africans need to work in Italy. Canadians don't need to work in the US.

It's the differential in job market that makes illegal immigration, walls or not.

Fix the issue of job offers and they'll stop coming. Don't fix it, and they'll continue to come, even with a wall.
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ding ding ding ding

common sense at its finest!!!

fix/improve
-Daca
-e-verify
-ability for working illegals multiple years with no felonies to get visa/permits etc and to start legal transition
-enforce laws on the books and make new ones punishing people that employ illegals and do not follow the approve improvements
-departments responsible for legal immigration and exportation including boarder security and technology
etc
etc
etc
and then yes sure we can improve barriers at the border but it should never be the focus cause it will not fix the issue
 
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Saladin4 said:
Those desperate people were attempting to apply for asylum.....Yet to the ignorant paranoid bigoted trump base...It is an Invasion!
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Well they do have brown skin. And Trump has made it very clear that he supports white supremacists, such as the KKK and Neo Nazis., publicly saying some are "very fine people." So I don't think we should be surprised when his base follows him.
 
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