• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump vs. Biden

noonereal said:
We did not know the extent of Trump's evil/sickness at the time. So I fault no one for voting for him.

Now we know. Now it is morally wrong to vote for him no matter what policies you favor.
Click to expand...

So, you're saying that if you embrace policies of the right, you should vote Democrat?
 
noonereal said:
Show me any fiscal conservative policy Trump has followed.

He has blown up the debt more than Obie and Bush and is back for more.
Click to expand...

You changed the subject. I asked you to list all of the conservative policies that Klobuchar supports to show that she is a centrist. The question didn't have anything to do with Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
Exactly. But, other than Biden, I just don't see any big names who are actually moderates. Most everyone in the field are socialists. Which, I guess, is why you believe Trump has a good shot at winning again.
Click to expand...

With a 40% LOCK he has a good chance of being reelected against anyone. But a moderate best cuts his odds.
 
Moderate Right said:
None of that is even true or tangible. He gets daily briefings from our intelligence - daily and he does listen to them. He also criticizes them. He criticizes everyone. I have seen no instance where he disputes our intelligence of NK. You listen to what you want to listen to and hear what you want to hear.
Click to expand...

/// none of that is true ////....:2rofll:
 
Moderate Right said:
You changed the subject. I asked you to list all of the conservative policies that Klobuchar supports to show that she is a centrist. The question didn't have anything to do with Trump.
Click to expand...

Why would I list anything about a candidate I do not support and I know will be a non factor even in the primaries?

I think you were talking to someone else about her. I have not spoken about her at all. Today or prior.

She looked a fool out there in the snow is all I'll say.
 
Moderate Right said:
For the most part Biden is moderate but my post still stands, particularly that if he picks a socialist for VP then he no longer becomes moderate because then we have a socialist one heartbeat away from being president and Biden doesn't have a whole lot of heartbeats left. If he truly believes in the moderate way then he should not pick a socialist for vp.
Click to expand...

The only socialists I know of are Sanders (he won't pick him), AOC (he won't pick her) and I think Keith Ellison or one of them.

The other candidates the Dems are currently fielding aren't socialists. They're either liberals or moderates.
 
Logician Man said:
/// none of that is true ////....:2rofll:
Click to expand...

How the hell do you know how he takes info from intelligence? You could try claiming that I don't know but the fact is, you don't know either. All you know is the BS the left leaning anti-Trump MSM feeds you. As I said, Trump criticizes EVERYONE, including his own intelligence. That doesn't mean that he doesn't listen to them and never takes their advice. As I said, you listen to what you want to listen to and hear what you want to hear and fill in the blanks with your own biased prejudices.
 
Moderate Right said:
None of that is even true or tangible. He gets daily briefings from our intelligence - daily and he does listen to them. He also criticizes them. He criticizes everyone. I have seen no instance where he disputes our intelligence of NK. You listen to what you want to listen to and hear what you want to hear.
Click to expand...

I hate asking for links because generally it's just a dodge to do so. Busy work for those you disagree with but I have read very much the opposite. That he no longer bothers with intelligence reports at all. Verbal or written.

Do you have something to show he actually reads them? I know they shirked the reports in the hopes he'd read something....
 
noonereal said:
or don't vote

Vote libertarian, I know I have in the past.
Click to expand...

Well, many in this thread, including you, say that in order to have your agenda, you shouldn't be voting for someone else. Well, righties want their agenda too and they aren't going to get it by voting Democratic or Libertarian.
 
Moderate Right said:
How the hell do you know how he takes info from intelligence? You could try claiming that I don't know but the fact is, you don't know either. All you know is the BS the left leaning anti-Trump MSM feeds you. As I said, Trump criticizes EVERYONE, including his own intelligence. That doesn't mean that he doesn't listen to them and never takes their advice. As I said, you listen to what you want to listen to and hear what you want to hear and fill in the blanks with your own biased prejudices.
Click to expand...

I'll bite. Whose advice do we know he's taken? Not Mattis. Not Kelly. Which person is giving him advice that we have seen evidence of him taking? Jared Kushner doesn't count.
 
noonereal said:
Why would I list anything about a candidate I do not support and I know will be a non factor even in the primaries?

I think you were talking to someone else about her. I have not spoken about her at all. Today or prior.

She looked a fool out there in the snow is all I'll say.
Click to expand...

I was talking to someone else but it is YOU who quoted what I said to someone else.
 
tres borrachos said:
The only socialists I know of are Sanders (he won't pick him), AOC (he won't pick her) and I think Keith Ellison or one of them.

The other candidates the Dems are currently fielding aren't socialists. They're either liberals or moderates.
Click to expand...

Warren is a socialist. Harris is a socialist. I forget everyone in the huge field but pretty much all of them except for some no namers, are socialists. Most all of them agree with the Bernie agenda.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, many in this thread, including you, say that in order to have your agenda, you shouldn't be voting for someone else. Well, righties want their agenda too and they aren't going to get it by voting Democratic or Libertarian.
Click to expand...

Understand, in my opinion we have a greater problem.

For example, I respect the vote even those it favors the red states. When rump was elected I was open to his policies. It';s the right thing to do as an American.

Once I realized the extent of his DANGER in the white house, all that feel to the weigh side. To me, this is about survival as a country. That comes before all else.
 
tres borrachos said:
Being anti-Trump isn't being part of a cult. It means you're using your brain.
Click to expand...

That's your opinion. Just being anti-Trump for no other reason than being anti-Trump is a cult and a lot of the members have shown that their brains are infected with rabies.
 
Moderate Right said:
Warren is a socialist. Harris is a socialist. I forget everyone in the huge field but pretty much all of them except for some no namers, are socialists. Most all of them agree with the Bernie agenda.
Click to expand...

Warren needs to understand that Trump already made a monkey of her and she is done.

What a fool she is.
 
Moderate Right said:
Warren is a socialist. Harris is a socialist. I forget everyone in the huge field but pretty much all of them except for some no namers, are socialists. Most all of them agree with the Bernie agenda.
Click to expand...

Warren and Harris are not socialists. They are liberals. Are we back to "all liberals are socialists" again? I thought we learned our lesson when the idiots kept calling Obama a socialist.

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, and never claimed to be anything else. AOC appears to be a socialist, too. Harris and Warren are not.
 
noonereal said:
I hate asking for links because generally it's just a dodge to do so. Busy work for those you disagree with but I have read very much the opposite. That he no longer bothers with intelligence reports at all. Verbal or written.

Do you have something to show he actually reads them? I know they shirked the reports in the hopes he'd read something....
Click to expand...

Do you have any proof that he doesn't?
 
Moderate Right said:
That's your opinion. Just being anti-Trump for no other reason than being anti-Trump is a cult and a lot of the members have shown that their brains are infected with rabies.
Click to expand...

I'm anti-Trump, and have been since long before I voted in the NH Republican primary in 2016. Because I'm not a partisan, I used my brain, ignored the "R" behind his name, and voted to protect the country from him.

I'm not in a cult.

Brains infected with rabies? That must explain why so many Trump fans continue to ignore Trump's lies, incredibly psychotic behaviors, out of control spending, attacks on the military and the intelligence agencies, and so on. Rabies.
 
Moderate Right said:
That's the trouble with the left. They can't open their minds to understand why people actually did vote for Trump. It's just easier to blame the Russians or say that racists, bigots, misogynists, and deplorables voted Trump president...

...People wanted jobs to return to the US...
Click to expand...

It's no secret why people voted for Trump and I agree that your last point is a big reason. But like the 'wall', it's just another simplistic, easy to grasp concept that the, shall we generously call, the unsophisticated, can sink their teeth into. I wish life was so simple.

If Trump wants to see jobs stay in America, he might try not insulting the leaders of our allies like Merkel. She has the influence and could go a long way to pull BMW 's plants out of our country. Plants that employ tens of thousands of Americans. Many of the cars build here by Americans are sold in China.

Conservatives might want to take America back to simpler times like we were 50 years ago, but we now live in a complex global economy. Get over it.

...The Putin's bitch comment is nothing but left wing propaganda. In fact, just last night on the news it showed that the US is together with Ukraine in fighting Russia on the high seas...
Click to expand...

You have a point, the more responsible administration officials have been helpful in pushing back against Putin. But that doesn't keep Numnuts from acting like Val's bitch in heat, believing Putin over his own intelligence services for example.

In case you haven't noticed, he has nothing but sweet nothings to whisper into Putin's ear. Promises he makes to Val that he refuses to tell anyone about. Or more importantly, to keep an official record of...

...The socialists only support minorities and the super poor anymore, which excludes union jobs and the middle class. The only white people they support are white women.
Click to expand...

And the only non-white people Trump's commie suckups support are, no one...
 
Last edited:
tres borrachos said:
I'll bite. Whose advice do we know he's taken? Not Mattis. Not Kelly. Which person is giving him advice that we have seen evidence of him taking? Jared Kushner doesn't count.
Click to expand...

They are intelligence briefings. They're not public information they post on a website every day. They're secret, for the most part. All anyone can do is guess what is in them and what Trump listens to and what he doesn't. Why don't we ask Mike Pompeo? He's in the know. Would you accept his answer? Or, do you want to go with the information you get on the six o'clock news, the NYT's or WP?
 
Moderate Right said:
How the hell do you know how he takes info from intelligence? You could try claiming that I don't know but the fact is, you don't know either. All you know is the BS the left leaning anti-Trump MSM feeds you. As I said, Trump criticizes EVERYONE, including his own intelligence. That doesn't mean that he doesn't listen to them and never takes their advice. As I said, you listen to what you want to listen to and hear what you want to hear and fill in the blanks with your own biased prejudices.
Click to expand...

:screwy
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom