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Trump vs. Biden

Logician Man said:
I sense he's pondering the same thing.
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Back in 1968 Bobby Kennedy declared after the New Hampshire primary. Today- he would be at least six months too late. That is how much things have changed.

Bidens age - and the physical challenges that come with it - are simply a serous obstacle for him to overcome. I could envision a scenario where a party was nearly totally united behind a person like Biden and there was no real primary challenge. That would allow him to run a serous six month campaign against the eventual nominee of the other party. But that is not the Democratic landscape today. Biden would have to fight tooth and nail for the next year and a half just to get the nomination.

Its not in the cards.
 
Logician Man said:
Who do you think would win the 2020 election, and why, if Joe Biden were to run against Trump ?
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Id prefer somebody younger but I think he'd win for the simple reason of voter turn out and his appeal to the common man/blue collar worker that Hilary did a poor job at clinching wouldnt be an issue . . .

for me personally if those are my only two choices and i have to vote i vote Biden every time. I mean that could change come 2020 but i seriously doubt it.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm not the cause of this mess. I didn't vote for Trump in my primary. And my state went for Clinton.

I don't vote against anyone. I vote for someone. I'm not like the morons who voted "against Clinton". I take my right to one vote seriously, and cast it for the right reasons.
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Whoever the Dems nominate, you do realize she/he will never be worst than Trump? I hope not too many feel the same as you, I don't believe our country can afford your principles.

I can't imagine a more serious and right reason to vote "against Trump"...
 
tres borrachos said:
Then it's up to the Democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. Biden is too old. He's got some baggage. He isn't the right choice.

I'll consider lots of Democrats. But please don't ask me to vote for someone that I really don't want to see in the Oval Office.

And as I said, Biden would probably win...
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I believe this statement is the biggest reason we have Trump.

How many Dems and independents voted for third party candidates, or not all because literally everyone thought, Hillary would probably win?
 
haymarket said:
Back in 1968 Bobby Kennedy declared after the New Hampshire primary. Today- he would be at least six months too late. That is how much things have changed.

Bidens age - and the physical challenges that come with it - are simply a serous obstacle for him to overcome. I could envision a scenario where a party was nearly totally united behind a person like Biden and there was no real primary challenge. That would allow him to run a serous six month campaign against the eventual nominee of the other party. But that is not the Democratic landscape today. Biden would have to fight tooth and nail for the next year and a half just to get the nomination.

Its not in the cards.
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Well said.

As other have said, it's time for a generational change. It'll go a long way to get our young voters to vote and he/she will compare very favorably next to Trump and his 75 year old pompadour...
 
I have no idea who would win. I could look up stats but I wouldn't understand why 48% of people would still vote for Trump anyway.
Biden doesn't appeal to me, he seems to be of a bygone era.
Trump was able to make himself far more current/modern, by being a celeb, reality TV, and constantly try to get his name out there, despite his age.
 
If Biden gets the nomination, he should pledge to serve only one term. Running for re-election the day after being elected isn’t working out so well right now.
 
tres borrachos said:
Probably Biden. But once again, if this was my choice, I'd have to vote 3rd party again.
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Depending on where you live, a vote such as that is very much a vote against the candidate less likely to win albeit based on polls.

Normally, I don't really care. But some elections it really does matter. It's the trap of a two-party system: to get out, a lot of people have to regularly vote to get us out.

I'd hope you would reconsider. With all that Trump has done and might do, the next election won't just be about honoring one's principles. He is a real danger to Democracy, America's standing in the world, etc., a walking disaster.



That said.... protest votes are really only a problem in proper swing states. Here in MA, a bunch of people sitting at home because they liked Bernie or hated Hillary isn't going to make a difference. Not necessarily a good thing overall, but it's simple reality. If you're in a swing state, i seriously urge you to consider to ignore principle for one election and vote against Trump.

Bear in mind a President still has to reckon with congress and the courts. Though I grant the danger here would be the Dems taking all they can of the house/senate AND putting in some Dem I don't like. Say, Harris and here absurd belief that we can switch to single payer, not raise taxes, implement a wide berth of new tax credits, and somehow not kick our deficit up to 2-3+ trillion/year. I guess we'll see.



I don't like Biden's history all that much and he's far too old for this - he'd be 78 somewhere in next year and 82 or 83 by the end of his term - but I'd easily vote for him over Trump. Trump is that bad.
 
Mach said:
I have no idea who would win. I could look up stats but I wouldn't understand why 48% of people would still vote for Trump anyway.
Biden doesn't appeal to me, he seems to be of a bygone era.
Trump was able to make himself far more current/modern, by being a celeb, reality TV, and constantly try to get his name out there, despite his age.
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Idiocracy is turning into a documentary more and more everyday.
 
SoCal said:
I believe this statement is the biggest reason we have Trump.

How many Dems and independents voted for third party candidates, or not all because literally everyone thought, Hillary would probably win?
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Please tell someone else that he or she is responsible for Trump being in office. That isn't me. I voted for someone else in the primaries, and voted for Gary Johnson in the general. I can't answer your question about how many Dems and Independents voted for a third party candidate. But I'm sure those stats are available.
 
Mr Person said:
Depending on where you live, a vote such as that is very much a vote against the candidate less likely to win albeit based on polls.

Normally, I don't really care. But some elections it really does matter. It's the trap of a two-party system: to get out, a lot of people have to regularly vote to get us out.

I'd hope you would reconsider. With all that Trump has done and might do, the next election won't just be about honoring one's principles. He is a real danger to Democracy, America's standing in the world, etc., a walking disaster.



That said.... protest votes are really only a problem in proper swing states. Here in MA, a bunch of people sitting at home because they liked Bernie or hated Hillary isn't going to make a difference. Not necessarily a good thing overall, but it's simple reality. If you're in a swing state, i seriously urge you to consider to ignore principle for one election and vote against Trump.

Bear in mind a President still has to reckon with congress and the courts. Though I grant the danger here would be the Dems taking all they can of the house/senate AND putting in some Dem I don't like. Say, Harris and here absurd belief that we can switch to single payer, not raise taxes, implement a wide berth of new tax credits, and somehow not kick our deficit up to 2-3+ trillion/year. I guess we'll see.



I don't like Biden's history all that much and he's far too old for this - he'd be 78 somewhere in next year and 82 or 83 by the end of his term - but I'd easily vote for him over Trump. Trump is that bad.
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Trump is probably going to go down in history as the worst President ever.

Let's wait to see who the Democrats nominate before asking me to commit, okay? I've earned the right to let the process play out and cast my primary vote like everyone else and hope that I can enthusiastically support Trump's opponent.

I did my part in 2016 by voting for the Democratic candidate for Congress so he can join the others in opposition to Trump. And at this point it's pretty much a guarantee that I will vote for Jeanne Shaheen for re-election (that will be a first for me - never voted for a Democratic candidate for Senate).
 
I would vote for President Trump in a New York minute.

But being an impartial observer, I think that Vice President Biden would win.

Why?


a. His running mate will be a person of color, probably a female.

b. The media have done an outstanding job in demonizing the President.

c. The Dems are going to get many non-citizens to vote.
 
If Biden gets to the Dem finish line it will be as the "throw up their hands and nominate Biden" candidate. That could happen. Not sure it will. Biden would have to pair with a serious serious woman as VP Nominee to win IMO.

I am sure that any Dem candidate that pledges not to tweet as President if elected will immediately pick up at least 5 points in the polls if not more than that.
 
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Logician Man said:
Who do you think would win the 2020 election, and why, if Joe Biden were to run against Trump ?
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Seriously, if Democrats actually want to win Biden is probably their best shot, unless another moderate comes forward. Electing a socialist will motivate the moderates, independents, and the right out to vote in droves and these people, just like with Hillary, will lose votes from their very own side to stop the socialist movement.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Biden.

The walking gaffe machine that he may be, at least he isn't a malicious malcontent.

Oh, and he knows a thing or two about foreign policy, the military and other things pertinent to the job of the President. Having been next in line for the job for 8 years doesn't hurt either.
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There is no bigger walking gaffe machine than Trump.
 
Josie said:
I think it needs to be a younger and/or Bernie-like candidate to for sure beat Trump. The Millenials aren't going to get behind the same ole, same ole from Democrats.
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Millenials are overrated. They have very big mouths but they don't vote in big enough quantities to matter much. That's one of the biggest faults of the liberal left - they mistakenly think that the louder they speak the more influence they have. One vote is just one vote even if that one vote has a very big mouth and, as I said, they would rather yell with their big mouths than actually vote. Making the six o'clock news is more important to them than casting a vote.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Trump's cult will vote for their tRump'NChrist no matter what. If those who voted against him before and those who are unhappy with his performance (lol) vote against him, he's toast. If a bunch stay home, well, that's how the GOP wins these days.
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If Democrats have a socialist nominee, people will swallow their hatred of Trump and vote against socialism. It will motivate moderates, independents, and the right to go out and vote. Only socialists want socialism.
 
tres borrachos said:
Probably Biden. But once again, if this was my choice, I'd have to vote 3rd party again.
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Got to thinking about your response and got more and more curious. Who would be the person as the Democratic Nominee, who you would actually vote for? Manchin would be my choice but I don't actually see him running.
 
Winston said:
Talking with a lot of them, and a lot of them are inactive politically too. But, for the ones that pay attention, they are completely horrified by Trump. They got no love for Democrats either. And to be quite honest, I wanted the Democrats to lose in 2016. I was that angry with them. I voted Jill Stein. But, I would not do that today. I've changed my mind regarding sticking it to the Dems. I can only speak for myself. But, the Dems would have to trot out some serious DWS-Hillary Clinton, backroom bull**** to lose my vote, because I'm that horrified by the modern GOP.
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I'm thinking sort of similar to you, but opposite. I wouldn't vote for Trump in either the primaries or the general in 2016. Wouldn't vote for Hillary either. I wrote in the person I wanted all along, wasting my vote because I didn't think Trump could beat Hillary but I really didn't want to vote for Trump. However, if I had known that my vote would actually count and that Trump actually had a chance of beating Hillary, I would have voted for Trump. I have learned a little bit since 2016 in that if there is a choice between Trump and some socialist candidate, I'm not wasting my vote again and I will enthusiastically fill in the Trump bubble. Having an idiot for president is much, much more preferable than having a socialist for president.
 
tres borrachos said:
Probably Biden. But once again, if this was my choice, I'd have to vote 3rd party again.
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Normally I would agree with you. But trump is too dangerous to our democracy.
 
Logician Man said:
Do you think he is the Dems best chance of beating Trump, or do you think someone else would have a better chance ?
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I'm kind of hoping Bill de Blasio will jump in. Too early yet, but a couple of times lately, I've seen interviews with him, and he hasn't yet said anything that I disagree with.

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RabidAlpaca said:
Voting 3rd party in 2020 is a vote for Donald and his circus. You are the reason we're in this mess. If there's a semi-sane functioning adult against Donald Trump in 2020 you need to do your civil duty and vote for him otherwise your complaints about Trump are meaningless.
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If Trump has taught us anything, it is that nothing is impossible. If you have Trump running against a socialist, the right third party candidates could theoretically win. And, we might actually have an impressive third party from the left such as Howard Schultz and an impressive fourth party candidate from the right such as John Kasich. Then, all bets are off the table.
 
Moderate Right said:
Got to thinking about your response and got more and more curious. Who would be the person as the Democratic Nominee, who you would actually vote for? Manchin would be my choice but I don't actually see him running.
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Hickenlooper and Machin for sure.
 
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