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'It's called the First Amendment': Pundits decry Trump call for 'retribution' against 'SNL'

Luckyone said:
well, you certainly are evading the topic and the conversation, I imagine because you do not have an answer.
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I gave you answers where I could; some of your silly blather didn't merit response.

Luckyone said:
Nonetheless, I will bite into this evasion.

One question for you. Do you believe people should be responsible for their decisions? Enjoy the benefits of a right decision suffer the consequences of a bad decision?
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Of course.
 
Bullseye said:
I gave you answers where I could; some of your silly blather didn't merit response.

Of course.
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In other words, do you agree we need to have as President the best rather than the worst? I will assume your answer is "yes", of course. After all, none of us is perfect so every person will come with the probability of making a mistake but getting the better person or the best person is the most important thing, right?

Evidently, the president has to make important decisions so what do you believe is necessary to make more right decisions than wrong decisions in order to someone to be judged as a good president or a bad president?

Would you say it is attention to detail?
Would you say it is knowledge of the job?
Would you say it is surrounding yourself with knowledgeable people and listening to them?
Would you say it is natural talent?
Would you say it is hard work ethic?
Would you say it is inspiring confidence in others so they try to do their best?
Would you say it is working together as a team?
Would you say it is ability to compromise and unify?

Would you say that someone with all of these qualities would be the best? Or would you say that someone with none of these qualities would be the best?

If your answer is the former, then Trump does not qualify for any of those. He qualifies for the latter.

This is simple mathematics. It is not opinion, unless of course you believe that everyone will win the lotto once in their lives and this is our turn and Trump is the one that is going to win the lotto for us.
 
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Mach said:
What national policies were you hoping to avoid from this "culture war" though? I can't think of anything that involves our federal government at the highest levels, that has anything to do with fighting this "culture war" stuff you refer to. Not that one would need a President to address. What are they?

In jest I can only think that you didn't like the way Americans were skeptical of Putin, and Trump has really worked hard to reverse that?
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I addressed this in part in post #173
 
eohrnberger said:
I addressed this in part in post #173
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You didn't address the first/important question though:

"What national policies were you hoping to avoid from this "culture war" though? I can't think of anything that involves our federal government at the highest levels, that has anything to do with fighting this "culture war" stuff you refer to. Not that one would need a President to address. What are they? "

A lot of right wing, rich talk show entertainment guys like Hannity and Tucker, etc., they push SJW/liberal college campus issues as though they are of national importance. I'm asking you what is it about this culture war stuff that you believe is important on a national level...to a freaking President of the United States position. It's often private colleges with basically kids expressing themselves and helping shame their university experience. How is this sort of thing on what we should base national political discourse? I mean this sincerely, I don't understand how it has so much appeal to right wing voters, so much so that it's one of their key drivers their coordinated, political propaganda/messaging.

Please ignore the Trump/Putin joke (that seems to be what your linked post responded to).
 
Luckyone said:
In other words, do you agree we need to have as President the best rather than the worst? I will assume your answer is "yes", of course. After all, none of us is perfect so every person will come with the probability of making a mistake but getting the better person or the best person is the most important thing, right?
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Uh, "best" and "worst" are hollow emotion-laden words. What I want is a President with a logical, rational approach to the problems we face. Whether he's a "nice guy" or gives people warm fuzzies - I couldn't car less.

Luckone said:
Evidently, the president has to make important decisions so what do you believe is necessary to make more right decisions than wrong decisions in order to someone to be judged as a good president or a bad president?

Would you say it is attention to detail?
Would you say it is knowledge of the job?
Would you say it is surrounding yourself with knowledgeable people and listening to them?
Would you say it is natural talent?
Would you say it is hard work ethic?
Would you say it is inspiring confidence in others so they try to do their best?
Would you say it is working together as a team?
Would you say it is ability to compromise and unify?

Would you say that someone with all of these qualities would be the best? Or would you say that someone with none of these qualities would be the best?

If your answer is the former, then Trump does not qualify for any of those. He qualifies for the latter.

This is simple mathematics. It is not opinion, unless of course you believe that everyone will win the lotto once in their lives and this is our turn and Trump is the one that is going to win the lotto for us.
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Sorry, no got to play junior high 20 question games with you. Every question you pose is subjective or judgmental. And YOU'RE not qualified to answer any of those questions; you set behind your computer consuming MSM blather, distortions and selective reporting and pontificate about how bad Trump is while objective evidence bounces off you in droves.


AS I said above the important characteristic of a President is establish of path that leads to solving our problems and leading the nation to success and prosperity for its people. By that measure I believe Trump more than meets the requirements.
 
Bullseye said:
Uh, "best" and "worst" are hollow emotion-laden words. What I want is a President with a logical, rational approach to the problems we face. Whether he's a "nice guy" or gives people warm fuzzies - I couldn't car less.

Sorry, no got to play junior high 20 question games with you. Every question you pose is subjective or judgmental. And YOU'RE not qualified to answer any of those questions; you set behind your computer consuming MSM blather, distortions and selective reporting and pontificate about how bad Trump is while objective evidence bounces off you in droves.


AS I said above the important characteristic of a President is establish of path that leads to solving our problems and leading the nation to success and prosperity for its people. By that measure I believe Trump more than meets the requirements.
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lol....you certainly have the wrong president in office for that, cuz.
 
calamity said:
lol....you certainly have the wrong president in office for that, cuz.
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Sorry, no. More people are working, getting raises and benefit hikes, our economy is strong, our allies are coughing up more money to pay for their own defense, there's movement on the six-decade old stalemate on the Korean Peninsula, China realizes we're not going to get pushed around in Asia. Manufacturing is coming back, we're creating jobs so fast we don't have enough people to fill them. Unemployment claims are down, discouraged workers are coming out of the woodwork to join the work force.

Yeah, Trump's a terrible President :roll:
 
Bullseye said:
Uh, "best" and "worst" are hollow emotion-laden words. What I want is a President with a logical, rational approach to the problems we face. Whether he's a "nice guy" or gives people warm fuzzies - I couldn't car less.

Sorry, no got to play junior high 20 question games with you. Every question you pose is subjective or judgmental. And YOU'RE not qualified to answer any of those questions; you set behind your computer consuming MSM blather, distortions and selective reporting and pontificate about how bad Trump is while objective evidence bounces off you in droves.


AS I said above the important characteristic of a President is establish of path that leads to solving our problems and leading the nation to success and prosperity for its people. By that measure I believe Trump more than meets the requirements.
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I see what you are saying. Nonetheless, a person who gives no attention to detail, has no previous knowledge of how to accomplish the goal, is surrounded by "yes" men that also have no knowledge of how to accomplish the goal, has no natural talent (given all the failures he has suffered in life), has no work ethic other than playing golf more than doing work, does not inspire anyone to do anything because they may be criticized for being better than he is, does not work as a team but thinks he can "do it alone" and has no ability to unify or compromise is the person that you believe can establish a path that leads to solving our problems and leading the nation to success and prosperity for its people?

Boy, you certainly believe in fantasy don't you.

If you ever take the time to read the bios of successful people that had "nothing to start with" but became successful, you will find that most had all or most of those attributes. There is not one that was able to make it playing more than working, having no desire to read and learn, making decisions by gut alone and being surrounded by "yes" men.

There are guidelines to success from scratch and you are pooh-poohing what has been proven to work for just about every successful person that ever existed. These are not subjective guidelines but proven steps to success.

No wonder you support Trump without any good reason for supporting him. You think we are going to hit the lottery even though the chances of hitting the lottery is 1 in 13,000,000 million.

You have no basis for your ideas. None. It is buy a lotto ticket and we are all going to be winners.

Geez, no wonder nobody but others like you wants to talk to you. You make no sense.
 
Bullseye said:
Sorry, no. More people are working, getting raises and benefit hikes, our economy is strong, our allies are coughing up more money to pay for their own defense, there's movement on the six-decade old stalemate on the Korean Peninsula, China realizes we're not going to get pushed around in Asia. Manufacturing is coming back, we're creating jobs so fast we don't have enough people to fill them. Unemployment claims are down, discouraged workers are coming out of the woodwork to join the work force.

Yeah, Trump's a terrible President :roll:
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Trump inherited a growing economy and lower unemployment, just like he inherited $414 million from his daddy. The tax cuts, which were thought of by McConnell and Ryan, were not his to claim victory for. NK is playing with him so they can accomplish what they want. They will not denuclearize. Our allies may be coughing up a bit more for their defense but are much less likely to come to our own defense now, given the insults that Trump has thrown at them. Nothing has yet happened with China that is a benefit to us, so far we are paying for higher costs. Yours is just conjecture. Manufacturing is coming back? Oh yes, in the coal and steel industry, which is polluting our environment and increasing the cost of steel-related products to the point that sales are down, meaning there is no additional profit to the manufacturer. All of this at the cost to clean energy where jobs are not being created.

In addition, we are now facing a likely slowdown to this bubble that was created. GDP is supposed to be 2.8% this year, 2.1% next year, and 1.8% in 2021.

Trump is doing exactly what he did with his father's money. He started his businesses being well supported economically (as he got from Obama) and then bankrupted them or closed them because he turned them into failures due to his lack of knowledge.

Here is a prediction for you. Things will head south from here and by the time Trump leaves office, we will be in a recession, all of his making.
 
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Luckyone said:
I see what you are saying. Nonetheless, a person who gives no attention to detail, has no previous knowledge of how to accomplish the goal, is surrounded by "yes" men that also have no knowledge of how to accomplish the goal, has no natural talent (given all the failures he has suffered in life), has no work ethic other than playing golf more than doing work, does not inspire anyone to do anything because they may be criticized for being better than he is, does not work as a team but thinks he can "do it alone" and has no ability to unify or compromise is the person that you believe can establish a path that leads to solving our problems and leading the nation to success and prosperity for its people?

Boy, you certainly believe in fantasy don't you.
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LOL, you writing this litany of nonsense and accuse me of fantasy? Everything you list in that paragraph is totally imagination. UNLESS you've worked closely with Trump on a daily basis no a single comment is FACT.
Luckyone said:
If you ever take the time to read the bios of successful people that had "nothing to start with" but became successful, you will find that most had all or most of those attributes. There is not one that was able to make it playing more than working, having no desire to read and learn, making decisions by gut alone and being surrounded by "yes" men.
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I have read many biographies and again you're claim that Trump is anything like you describe is utter lunacy.
Luckyone said:
There are guidelines to success from scratch and you are pooh-poohing what has been proven to work for just about every successful person that ever existed. These are not subjective guidelines but proven steps to success.
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Nope, not "pooh-poohing" anything other than your wild flights of fantasy fueled by negative emotions.
Luckyone said:
No wonder you support Trump without any good reason for supporting him. You think we are going to hit the lottery even though the chances of hitting the lottery is 1 in 13,000,000 million.
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No, good reasons? I gave you a list of what he's accomplished in the two years he's been in office. You are totally blind to fact.
Luckyone said:
You have no basis for your ideas. None. It is buy a lotto ticket and we are all going to be winners.

Geez, no wonder nobody but others like you wants to talk to you. You make no sense.
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Jeez, can you POSSIBLY be this clueless? Or senseless?
 
Luckyone said:
Trump inherited a growing economy and lower unemployment, just like he inherited $414 million from his daddy.
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LOL, he inherited an economy that was gasping along trying to even product 2% growth.



Luckyone said:
The tax cuts, which were thought of by McConnell and Ryan, were not his to claim victory for.
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Sorry no, as I've already told you.


luckyone said:
NK is playing with him so they can accomplish what they want. They will not denuclearize.
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Again you talk out your ass. You refuse to see plain fact when it conflicts with your irrational Trumpophobia.

Luckyone said:
Our allies may be coughing up a bit more for their defense but are much less likely to come to our own defense now, given the insults that Trump has thrown at them.
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And yet the Secretary General of NATO praised Trump for getting delinquent members to cough up $100 billion dollars


Luckyone said:
Nothing has yet happened with China that is a benefit to us, so far we are paying for higher costs. Yours is just conjecture.
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AS IS your entire posting history. Fact is we're standing up to China in the South China sea continually, and China just granted some trade concessions last week - do you EVER read the news?
Luckyone said:
Manufacturing is coming back? Oh yes, in the coal and steel industry, which is polluting our environment and increasing the cost of steel-related products to the point that sales are down, meaning there is no additional profit to the manufacturer. All of this at the cost to clean energy where jobs are not being created.
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We manufacture a lot more than coal and steel, Lucky. Educate yourself for once before blindly spewing idiotic, empty "nuh-uhs".

LUckyOne said:
In addition, we are now facing a likely slowdown to this bubble that was created. GDP is supposed to be 2.8% this year, 2.1% next year, and 1.8% in 2021.
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So IF that were true we'd be back to the pathetic Obama economy by 2021. I suggest you check the latest CBO economic projections. Not going to spoil the surprise for you, but basically you're blowing smoke
Luckyone said:
Trump is doing exactly what he did with his father's money. He started his businesses being well supported economically (as he got from Obama) and then bankrupted them or closed them because he turned them into failures due to his lack of knowledge.
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Only lack of knowledge here is YOURS.
Luckyone said:
Here is a prediction for you. Things will head south from here and by the time Trump leaves office, we will be in a recession, all of his making.
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I know that the dearest wish of the loony left; you guys don't care what happens to millions of Americans as long as Trump fails. You're an embarrassment.
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, you writing this litany of nonsense and accuse me of fantasy? Everything you list in that paragraph is totally imagination. UNLESS you've worked closely with Trump on a daily basis no a single comment is FACT.
I have read many biographies and again you're claim that Trump is anything like you describe is utter lunacy.
Nope, not "pooh-poohing" anything other than your wild flights of fantasy fueled by negative emotions.
No, good reasons? I gave you a list of what he's accomplished in the two years he's been in office. You are totally blind to fact.
Jeez, can you POSSIBLY be this clueless? Or senseless?
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Well, at least we do agree on one thing. You think I live in a fantasy and that I am clueless and I think the same of you.

I guess that means we have no reason to talk again. We evidently live in different fantasy worlds. The problem for you in the end is that your fantasy's will not become reality and mine will.
 
Mach said:
You didn't address the first/important question though:

"What national policies were you hoping to avoid from this "culture war" though? I can't think of anything that involves our federal government at the highest levels, that has anything to do with fighting this "culture war" stuff you refer to. Not that one would need a President to address. What are they? "
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Socialism, and even the Democratic socialism, is wrong for this country, once the socialists run out of everyone else's money, everyone be more equally miserable and disadvantaged.

The ever increasing power of government needs to the turned back, its meddling in the free markets, such as they presently are, needs to be curtailed.
The excessive PC and SJW idiocy, these most surely not be enshrined in law nor as public policy.

Abortion moments before birth is murder. How about we maintain safe, legal and rare? As well as before 20 weeks?

It is identity politics, as practiced by the political left and echoed through the media bullhorn, which is the dog whistle that is dividing the electorate and setting groups or people against each other, for the Democrat's perceived political advantage.

The obvious political bias in the media, all media including those claiming to be hard news, are flaming these identity politics embers.

The best social program is an opportunity to work at a job, not a guaranteed income, nor benefits for able bodied which refuse to work. If you want something from the communal pot, you had better put something in too.

A lot of right wing, rich talk show entertainment guys like Hannity and Tucker, etc., they push SJW/liberal college campus issues as though they are of national importance. I'm asking you what is it about this culture war stuff that you believe is important on a national level...to a freaking President of the United States position. It's often private colleges with basically kids expressing themselves and helping shame their university experience. How is this sort of thing on what we should base national political discourse? I mean this sincerely, I don't understand how it has so much appeal to right wing voters, so much so that it's one of their key drivers their coordinated, political propaganda/messaging.
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Sorry, but the only 'coordinated, political propaganda/messaging' I'm seeing is from the left with their complicit media bullhorns, witness how they all use the same words on the same day, as if . . . coordinated. The messages, narratives, and ideological imperatives being pushed I see as not being to the benefit of the nation.

Please ignore the Trump/Putin joke (that seems to be what your linked post responded to).
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OK.
 
Luckyone said:
Well, at least we do agree on one thing. You think I live in a fantasy and that I am clueless and I think the same of you.

I guess that means we have no reason to talk again. We evidently live in different fantasy worlds. The problem for you in the end is that your fantasy's will not become reality and mine will.
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You're half right - you definitely don't live in the real world; my world is based on facts and data. Yours is based on Trumpophobia.
 
Thank you for responding eohrnberger.

eohrnberger said:
Socialism, and even the Democratic socialism, is wrong for this country, once the socialists run out of everyone else's money, everyone be more equally miserable and disadvantaged.
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The ever increasing power of government needs to the turned back, its meddling in the free markets, such as they presently are, needs to be curtailed.[/QUOTE]
I find this disturbing, but it is unrelated to the question about SWJ stuff.

The excessive PC and SJW idiocy, these most surely not be enshrined in law nor as public policy.
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So no one is pushing them into law, no one is running on a platform with them, most adults don't *really* take it that seriously. Even famed liberal Bill Maher every single show, ridicules SJWs.
But your fear is so palpable you'd vote a giant criminal turd into office in fear for conspiracy theory nonsense? It makes no sense to me.

It is identity politics, as practiced by the political left and echoed through the media bullhorn, which is the dog whistle that is dividing the electorate and setting groups or people against each other, for the Democrat's perceived political advantage.
The obvious political bias in the media, all media including those claiming to be hard news, are flaming these identity politics embers.
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So you oppose it because you believe it helps liberals? Well, now we're getting somewhere!

My interpretation is that you oppose liberals because you think they are fundamentally wrong, and you believe attacking SJW nonsense hurts liberals politically.
Liberal Bill Maher nearly every single show, correctly ridicules SJWs, you guys have something in common.
 
Bullseye said:
You understand the First Amendment works both ways, right? If the media wants to garner huge ratings for continuous mockery of the President, the President has the right to speak back. Seems like a few LWers have called for boycotts of companies that support conservative ideologies; why then is it a shock when a conservative speaks back about boycotting LW media?
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When the president talks about retribution, then he is getting very close to yelling fire in a crowded theater. Look what happened at his last rally where a man attacked a journalist and had to be arrested. The president can rant and rave all he wants and it is protected by the 1st Amendment, but when he talks about retribution, no matter how he says it, he is stepping over the 1st Amendment line.
 
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When the president talks about retribution, then he is getting very close to yelling fire in a crowded theater. Look what happened at his last rally where a man attacked a journalist and had to be arrested. The president can rant and rave all he wants and it is protected by the 1st Amendment, but when he talks about retribution, no matter how he says it, he is stepping over the 1st Amendment line.
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And picketing conservative journalists' homes, frightening their families, and swarming them in public is not?


The man who attacked the journalist demonstrated what happens when rights are abused.
 
Mach said:
Thank you for responding eohrnberger.
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It took me awhile to thinka bout it to compose a thoughtful response rather than, as is all to often here, an off the cuff remark.

The ever increasing power of government needs to the turned back, its meddling in the free markets, such as they presently are, needs to be curtailed.
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I find this disturbing, but it is unrelated to the question about SWJ stuff.
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It does relate indirectly, in that this how the left is going to cram down the nation's throat all the SWJ stuff, by the government gun, through the activist courts, rather then through the legislation.
I'm not surprised that you find it disturbing.

So no one is pushing them into law, no one is running on a platform with them, most adults don't *really* take it that seriously. Even famed liberal Bill Maher every single show, ridicules SJWs.
But your fear is so palpable you'd vote a giant criminal turd into office in fear for conspiracy theory nonsense? It makes no sense to me.
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I'll agree that Trump is getting coverage to make him look like a turd. I'll even admit that brash, often impulsive, and that he Tweets too much, and that he usually Tweets things that retard the furtherance of the conservative agenda rather than moving it forward. But criminal? I'm decidedly skeptical of this, given how great the media's TDS affliction. If there were something criminal in his past, they surely would have reported it by now. Since there's not, would seem that there's nothing there.

So you oppose it because you believe it helps liberals? Well, now we're getting somewhere!
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I see it in the positions and statements the liberals make. Seems they've missed MLK's 'content of their character' aspirational and have doubled down on 'which alleged victim identity group do you belong to?'

My interpretation is that you oppose liberals because you think they are fundamentally wrong, and you believe attacking SJW nonsense hurts liberals politically.
Liberal Bill Maher nearly every single show, correctly ridicules SJWs, you guys have something in common.
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I'm sure there are points on which Maher and I probably agree as well as points on which Maher and I probably disagree. Fair.

But to be honest, I find the SJW and excessive PC to be oppressive nonsense, a vehicle to enforce some people's excessive ideas about society onto everyone else by government force (as is hoped and is established in history).

It's the typical taking what might have began as a fundamentally OK idea (respect each other, be nice to each other), and having gone over 10,000 times overboard with it.

You can see this progression on college campuses which have adopted 'micro-aggression' (like WTF is that?) training for all incoming freshmen, and with 6 figure 'Diversity Directors' and their staffs.

Diversity Director seems to be an appointed SJW / Excessive PC give-away position. What value contribution to colleges and universities does this position represent anyway? Does it represent a better education for the students? No? Then it's overhead to the education mission and might be, and probably is, needless overhead. Just think, students get to go further into student debt because of the additional tuition costs of these positions.

All this coddling of college students, which have need of 'safe spaces', crayons, playdoh and consoling should they happen across 'Trump' scrawled in chalk on the sidewalk. Are you kidding me? With skin that thin, better resign yourself to life in a plastic bubble as an immuno-compromised person has to live. There's no way such a person is going to survive contact with the real world and its hard knocks.

Promoting this behavior and this response is doing a great disservice to the young people. The better life lesson, one that would be of value to the student, would be 'suck it up buttercup' and 'grow a pair'.
 
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