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Obama made me angry. Trump makes me nostalgic over Obama.

JustHanging said:
Grok, that makes no sense. Your current president appears to have a Bottom Boy fetish. He's Putin's Bottom Boy. He's Kim Jong Un's Bottom Boy, he's the Saudi's Bottom Boy.

It's one of the reasons the USA has become an international laughing stock. Along with your POTUS of course
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CAN'T READ??? Or just CONFUSED.?


Please point out which of these VERY EASILY VERIFIED FACTS occurred under TRUMP?


Or are you another of the Local Flaming Airheads who keeps trying to pretend that Uranium One "NEVER" HAPPENED" ?
 
Grokmaster said:
There absolutely IS, if the President decides so, as it is HIS CALL.
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Then by that logic the president is what grants Americans rights and the next president can arbitrarily decide Americans have a right to an open border and don't have s right to own a gun. That's what you want?
 
Amelia said:
Yeah, sure, gun grabbing democrats. There you go again. Democrats didn't even try to grab guns. But Trump just set the precedent for them to do so. Guns and ammo can't sell by the pallet if a Democratic president calls a national emergency and blocks their sale.
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Yip if gun shop owners were smart they would vote Democrat...
 
Cardinal said:
Back then, putting feet on the Oval Office desk was a scandal.

And believe me, once a Democrat is in office again, that's exactly the type of scandal Fox News will put in our faces again.
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Don't forget tan suits and bowing wrong.
 
pragmatic said:
Going to go out on a limb here...

...whatever "outrage" you think you are remembering was probably pretty tiny.
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Nah Fox "News" and other right-wing propaganda places lost their damn minds over this. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if there were a thread about it around here that reached several hundred posts.
 
Amelia said:
Yeah, sure, gun grabbing democrats. There you go again. Democrats didn't even try to grab guns. But Trump just set the precedent for them to do so. Guns and ammo can't sell by the pallet if a Democratic president calls a national emergency and blocks their sale.
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If they thought they could get away with it, they would have done it already!
 
chuckiechan said:
If they thought they could get away with it, they would have done it already!
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Assuming you are correct, my point stands. In fact you're making my point for me. They didn't think they could get away with it. Now Trump has given them the green light to go for it when his ass gets kicked in 2020.
 
Cardinal said:
Back then, putting feet on the Oval Office desk was a scandal.

And believe me, once a Democrat is in office again, that's exactly the type of scandal Fox News will put in our faces again.
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Also wearing a tan suit or asking for spicy mustard at a burger joint.

President Ocasio-Cortez will have hour after hour of Sean Hannity's successor talking about her goddamned lipstick and whether or not it secretly represents communism, or something.
 
pragmatic said:
Going to go out on a limb here...


...whatever "outrage" you think you are remembering was probably pretty tiny.
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Sean Hannity literally did a segment on Obama ordering spicy mustard on a burger. They had ****in graphics and everything. They dug up a fifteen year old advertisement for mustard. They planned out a segment on this.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh. Guns again...

Tell me, what do you think Trump has done that will make it easy for a Democratic President to take people's guns?

Just to be clear, what I'm looking for is what laws that have provisions that take effect in the case of a declaration of a national emergency, because that is the only thing Trump has done...declare a national emergency.
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You are right. The only thing Trump has done is declare an emergency and that is all that will happen. There will be no money reallocated for a wall since it is un-Constitutional. An emergency cannot be used to spend money on something that Congress has said no to.
 
Deuce said:
Sean Hannity literally did a segment on Obama ordering spicy mustard on a burger. They had ****in graphics and everything. They dug up a fifteen year old advertisement for mustard. They planned out a segment on this.
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Hell, if I do recall correctly, for 3 days everytime someone used Obamas name, Rush had his sound guy play a cut from a Guildens commercial.
 
Deuce said:
Sean Hannity literally did a segment on Obama ordering spicy mustard on a burger. They had ****in graphics and everything. They dug up a fifteen year old advertisement for mustard. They planned out a segment on this.
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Hannity was the intellectual equivalent of a brain-damaged chimp back then. The only difference between now and then is now he sold his soul cheap to a second rate, coastal elite con man.
 
Amelia said:
Obama's presidency was such a lost opportunity. He made me angry often for the nondemocratic way in which he behaved. But almost everything which rightwing fearmongers said we had to worry about from Obama, Trump is doing it and worse.

The only thing I can think of which rightwingers said Obama or the Democratic legislature doing would do which we don't have Trump or the Republican legislature doing is grabbing guns, which Obama and the Democrats also didn't do. But now Trump has opened the door for the next Democratic president to look at our mass-shooting epidemic and declare a national emergency and make that dreaded move on gun rights.

Obama didn't do this. Trump did. And the majority of Trump supporters support this action.

Brave new world.
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Obama didn't make me angry, but I didn't think he was a very good president. Like you, I sure didn't like the way he was always bypassing congress. If Obama didn't get his way, he used his pen and his phone and his supporters loved it.

Trump isn't using his pen or his phone, but his national emergency is the same thing. He too is bypassing congress. More boldly than Obama ever thought of. Yes, Trump also makes me nostalgic for Obama. But I was already nostalgic for Obama prior to the 2016 election when it came down between Clinton and Trump.

I said at the time the Republicans deserve a Clinton presidency for nominating Trump, that also the democrats deserve a Trump presidency for nominating Clinton. Half of that came true. I would have voted for Obama against Trump, heck I would have voted for almost any Democrat against Trump other than Hillary. I voted third party, one of 9 million who did so. I'd do the same today if it came down to Trump vs. Clinton.

I have no use for Trump, but then again, I never did. But I would say good luck on a national emergency against guns if it comes to that. Guns, we have the second amendment, there is no amendment dealing with immigration or border security. I don't know that that would work. In fact, I hope this so called national emergency won't work either.

I do think we need to take a good hard look at the polarization, the ultra hard core partisanship that caused first Obama and then Trump to try to bypass congress. Over the last ten years I have wondered if party loyalty replaced loyalty to country, if the good of the party has replaced doing for the good of the nation. That if those we send to Washington forget they're Americans and only view themselves as Republicans and Democrats. That both have forgotten America as a whole, the entire country and only worry about their base and to Hades with everyone else, America included.

Somewhere we need to get back to common sense governing, listening to the people and their wishes instead of turning a deaf ear. Representatives representing the people of their district, senators the folks of their state instead of their political party. This whole thing is about as crazy as crazy can get. At least I hope it can't get any crazier.
 
Phys251 said:
Back then, you could trust the President of the United States to not say or do something that this nation couldn't recover from. Good times.
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Back then you could wake up not thinking what in the hell did POTUS do overnight.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Hannity was the intellectual equivalent of a brain-damaged chimp back then. The only difference between now and then is now he sold his soul cheap to a second rate, coastal elite con man.
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I don't see any difference between now and then. Hannity is a partisan hack first and foremost. He was a "YUGE" Dubya supporter back in the day. And now he's massive Trump supporter. Whoever the next GOP president is, Hannity will certainly be a staunch supporter of.
 
Puigb said:
I don't see any difference between now and then. Hannity is a partisan hack first and foremost. He was a "YUGE" Dubya supporter back in the day. And now he's massive Trump supporter. Whoever the next GOP president is, Hannity will certainly be a staunch supporter of.
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By the way, I was a YUGE Dubya supporter. Dubya made some big mistakes but he has a soul and a conscience and an actual love for the country.

Trump is evil. And is all about Trump.


P.s., turns out Dubya was a much better deal maker than Trump also. Even after declaring this emergency Trump is getting way less out of his power play than he would have gotten if he had accepted the bipartisan deal the Senate offered him last year.
 
Amelia said:
By the way, I was a YUGE Dubya supporter. Dubya made some big mistakes but he has a soul and a conscience and an actual love for the country.

Trump is evil. And is all about Trump.


P.s., turns out Dubya was a much better deal maker than Trump also. Even after declaring this emergency Trump is getting way less out of his power play than he would have gotten if he had accepted the bipartisan deal the Senate offered him last year.
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I'll politely disagree with you regarding Bush's presidency, but I agree that Trump is an absolute piece of trash as a human being, president, and as a "deal maker". Of course, those of us from NYC have known about this for years, which is why he's despised in NYC.

But the point is Hannity is a partisan hack who always defends whoever is the current Republican president. His loyalty to Trump is because Trump is a Republican president. Once Trump his gone, Hannity and his idiot viewers will move onto worshipping whoever the next GOP president is.
 
Deuce said:
Sean Hannity literally did a segment on Obama ordering spicy mustard on a burger. They had ****in graphics and everything. They dug up a fifteen year old advertisement for mustard. They planned out a segment on this.
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Yes, that was ridiculous. They had apoplexy over Dijon mustard. Time stood still for them since Dan Quayle started the same reaction to Michael Dukakis mentioning endive. What's next? A war on balsamic vinegars?
 
Puigb said:
I'll politely disagree with you regarding Bush's presidency, but I agree that Trump is an absolute piece of trash as a human being, president, and as a "deal maker". Of course, those of us from NYC have known about this for years, which is why he's despised in NYC.

But the point is Hannity is a partisan hack who always defends whoever is the current Republican president. His loyalty to Trump is because Trump is a Republican president. Once Trump his gone, Hannity and his idiot viewers will move onto worshipping whoever the next GOP president is.
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Yes, I agree about Hannity except I would add that I don't think it's about worship or ideology or partisanship with Hannity. I think in a real way it's about the green ... the money he takes in from advertisers for delivering the Trump wing of the party.
 
Amelia said:
Yes, I agree about Hannity except I would add that I don't think it's about worship or ideology or partisanship with Hannity. I think in a real way it's about the green ... the money he takes in from advertisers for delivering the Trump wing of the party.
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oh, no doubt. Hannity and other right wing dirtbags on FOX care about the $$$ most. Which is why they support a corrupt wealthy elitist like Trump.
 
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