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Trump’s Attempt to Circumvent Congress Leaves Uneasy Senate Republicans With Hard Choice

Youre like a dog chasing his own tail. Now we are back to what i said initially. Presidents in the past have been known to defy the will of congress too. Trump isnt behaving extrodinary in that regard. If anything he is being typical.

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Is there some external problem that prevents you from focusing on the National Emergencies Act which is the basis for Trumps action? :doh:roll:
 
Congress has never intended to give Trump any money for border security. They only reason they caved and gave him a pittance is because he put them in a box. They had no choice.

Remember...when he asked Pelosi and Schumer for money, they said "NO!"

So, unless Trump puts them in another box, it's a given that they will never give him money for border security.

Your dreaming...trump was in the box. None of the Republicans on the bicameral committee even ASKED for more border physical barrier money. IF Trump's administration could have made a proposal of any sort for his Wall and allowed a normal process to proceed in the Congress he could have gotten more border barrier. The point is it will NEVER happen now.

Pelosi and Schumer said NO to bootstrapping new Walk funding to a CR where it does not belong. The Administration never supported nor managed any sort of process to propose and help pass an actual Appropriation for now border funding for two years. Never even did it when the GOP could have used its 2018 Reconciliation shot thus only needing a simple majority in the Senate to achieve it.

Trump has foreclosed the normal process, much less success of any sort through the normal process. In addition he has foreclosed any additional Wall construction via his National Emergency Declaration and EO's. His declaration is so full of slippery dodges and fig leaves that you can drive a truck through that there is literally no entity that exists in this country that is not a potential plaintiff filing different briefs throughout. I can probably make the case that Business entities might not be a potential plaintiff. But I am not even sure about that one and that is the only one I can even concoct as possibly not having a dog in the fight.

We will be voting in 2020 and there STILL will be no new wall beyond the 55 miles funded plus the use of the remaining dollars from the last CR and his little 6 mile prototype project and no process to get to more than that. THAT IS IT!

Your boy really left himself with his pants around his ankles this time. You would have to be dead and too stupid to fall over to not see that Fat Donny has been peddling an illusion the whole time. Then again....I might have just defined a Trumpet.
 
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Is there some external problem that prevents you from focusing on the National Emergencies Act which is the basis for Trumps action? :doh:roll:
Is there some problem with uou that forces you to make your argument like a whack-a-mole game.

What is or is not an emergency is at the discretion of the president. He does not need the consent or agreement that it from congress. Congress wrote the legislation that way. Either your complaint is that you dont like how the law is written which is something you need to direct at our legislatures or your problem is that Trump is not capitulating to the will of congress which exposes you as nothing but a partisan hypocrite unless you express the same moral indignation when a democrat defies the spirit of a law to which i have never seen expressed by you or most of the left.

You dont have any standing to make the complaint that youre making snd when i csll you on that fact you seem to think you can move the gosl posts. You as much standing on this as republicsns will have the next time a democrat controlled senate refuses to give a republican nominated scotus a conformstion vote which is zero.


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Well, if the dimwits do bring a lawsuit for Trump National Emergency, it will be the very first time it has been done, ever. I spent the better part of all day today trying to find any caselaw regarding this issue, even remotely related and found nothing, zero. Perhaps someone with a better tool might be able to assist me on this, but as of now, I have no precedence to even try and speculate as to the outcome, if dimwits take the President to court. Seems, the only thing that has any subject matter jurisdiction is the land the President plans to byuild the wall on. Seems to me that this is the ONLY thing that has any standing, where am I wrong?

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Congress appropriates funds for specific expenditures. They did NOT allocate the funds that Trump wanted for his wall.

So, as far as you're concerned, the Executive branch gets no say in how appropriated funds are allocated within the agencies they were appropriated for? If, for example, the roof on a VA hospital started leaking it would then be incumbent upon the director of that facility to engage the Secretary of the VA who would then need to contact the appropriate congressional oversight committees to get permission to repair the roof?

You, sir, are a born bureaucrat!
 
So, as far as you're concerned, the Executive branch gets no say in how appropriated funds are allocated within the agencies they were appropriated for? If, for example, the roof on a VA hospital started leaking it would then be incumbent upon the director of that facility to engage the Secretary of the VA who would then need to contact the appropriate congressional oversight committees to get permission to repair the roof?

You, sir, are a born bureaucrat!

Wasn't the first word that came to mind, but I can work with it.. ;)

Tim-
 
Is there some problem with uou that forces you to make your argument like a whack-a-mole game.

What is or is not an emergency is at the discretion of the president. He does not need the consent or agreement that it from congress. Congress wrote the legislation that way. Either your complaint is that you dont like how the law is written which is something you need to direct at our legislatures or your problem is that Trump is not capitulating to the will of congress which exposes you as nothing but a partisan hypocrite unless you express the same moral indignation when a democrat defies the spirit of a law to which i have never seen expressed by you or most of the left.

You dont have any standing to make the complaint that youre making snd when i csll you on that fact you seem to think you can move the gosl posts. You as much standing on this as republicsns will have the next time a democrat controlled senate refuses to give a republican nominated scotus a conformstion vote which is zero.


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Your post makes no rational sense on any level as a sensible reply to my post that you pretended to be replying to since Trump is using the National Emergencies Act in a way that no president has ever used it before and that is the point of my posts. The other stuff you said is irrelevant to that point.
 
So, as far as you're concerned, the Executive branch gets no say in how appropriated funds are allocated within the agencies they were appropriated for? If, for example, the roof on a VA hospital started leaking it would then be incumbent upon the director of that facility to engage the Secretary of the VA who would then need to contact the appropriate congressional oversight committees to get permission to repair the roof?

You, sir, are a born bureaucrat!

It would depend on how the allocation is made by Congress and if they allow that discretion to the Executive.
 
Will the GOP suddenly discover a spine? I highly doubt it.

Spineless creatures such as ribbon worms, round worms and Trumpets are not capable of spontaneously growing a spine.

Just a piece of invertebrate science I thought I'd contribute to the thread. :shock:
 
It would depend on how the allocation is made by Congress and if they allow that discretion to the Executive.

How do you reconcile that with "co-equal" branches of government and the way that every administration prior to the current one has acted? I mean, Obama and Bush were using "appropriated but not allocated" funds to sell guns to drug cartels. Don't you think, maybe, that would be problematic if congress had as tight a purse string as you think they should?
 
How do you reconcile that with "co-equal" branches of government and the way that every administration prior to the current one has acted? I mean, Obama and Bush were using "appropriated but not allocated" funds to sell guns to drug cartels. Don't you think, maybe, that would be problematic if congress had as tight a purse string as you think they should?

The President can spend using discretion IF Congress allows him that discretion in the law they pass. Otherwise, his job is to EXECUTE the law as written.
 
The President can spend using discretion IF Congress allows him that discretion in the law they pass. Otherwise, his job is to EXECUTE the law as written.

Dude!! Every time this guy tries to execute the law you sue him and some judge makes a new law!
 
If the GOP Congress had had any spine whatsoever, this whole issue would already have been solved. Thank Ryan and the other corporate butt boys for where we are now.
 
Dude!! Every time this guy tries to execute the law you sue him and some judge makes a new law!

please supply verifiable evidence for this claim.
 
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