Trump just killed the emergency act move

Born Free said:

Of course I would except nothing less from a Liberal.

But take a look at this

Obamafail’s Stupidly,
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Obamafail cuts a deal with Iran so they can have nukes in 10 yrs. and he has no inspections anytime anywhere. BTW Obamafail could not go on an Iran military bass. How stupid is that. Remember Reagan’s famous quote “trust but verify” Obamafail missed that speech.
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I would say Harvard didn’t teach him a ****ing thing.

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I can't believe the amount of half truths that you printed. In everything in life there are details to every decision and it is in the details that the truth is known.

Nonetheless, I am not going to respond to your list as I don't have enough interest or desire to spend any amount of time with someone that has closed eyes and ears and refuses to open them.

Suffice it to say that Trump has not yet accomplished very much.

1) the tax cuts belong to the Republicans in the House and in the Senate. Trump just signed the paper. He had nothing to do with it.
2) deregulation is the same as #1. Most of the time, Trump wasn't even aware of what he was signing. Did not give it a second thought that some of those things he deregulated, such as parts of the Clean Water act, actually make our environment worse.
3) NK has not denuclearized. They continue to build nukes and Kim just tells Trump he is not and you know what? Trump believes him!
4) the same thing with Putin. Putin says he had nothing to do with the meddling in our elections and Trump believes him over our own intelligence reports
5) Trump has been tough with Putin? Hahahaha, Congress forced him to continue with the sanctions (he did not want to) and now quite a few of the sanctions have been lifted through lifting sanction on Deripaska, who is Putin's close buddy.
6) Trump states that the new deal with Canada and Mexico is so much better than NAFTA but the truth is that it is only "marginally" better. Not much changed at all.
7) Trump's Tariff War has so far deeply hurt our farmers and all of us and has yet to produce any changes. In the end, it will probably be resolved in the same way that NAFTA was resolved, with marginally better results for us. By the same token, the money already lost because of the Trade War will never be recovered, meaning that getting into the Trade War will have cost us more than what Trump will have achieved.
8) Trump has split apart the nation like no other president has done.
9) Trump has degraded our confidence in our own established institutions
10) Trump has caused Free Speech and Free Press to be doubted. Lies are now the rule of law.

I could go on and on but you are not worth the effort.

Chomsky said:

That's the way it's perceived, Mycos. Even if (perhaps) technically not, though we'll have to wait for the courts to rule.

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What he is doing is not illegal. It is just a matter of whether or not you believe 10+ million maybe 20 million people in your country illegally is a crisis or emergency. I personally think those kind of numbers is an invasion. I cannot believe our border security and our immigration law enforcement is so inept and pathetic that not millions but over 10 million people are breaking our law right now this minute. Our government is so inept that this kind of epic failure is considered OK. My god I am supposed to trust these losers with running my country. The whole bunch need to be fired both parties and we need to start over. They are beyond useless. Then you look at their ability to balance the budget my god they are the biggest bunch of inept losers to come down the pike.

justabubba said:

let's take it to the other extreme - your position - that there is no legal way to restrict a person from bearing a firearm
then prisons would be filled with guns, with prisoners bearing them
schools would have to allow guns
courts would have to tolerate the presence of guns
guns would be able to be carried aboard aircraft

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No people who break the law should be punished and they have forfeited their rights. There is big difference between punishing criminals who have broken the law and taking away the rights of law abiding citizens. What is so hard about this. I have not done anything wrong and I am not breaking the law leave me alone. Concentrate on those breaking the law.

JasperL said:

That's not really fair. I guess it depends on the source, but everything I've seen is the 'illegal' population has been steady or declining from the tail end of Bush II and through Obama, with new arrivals offset roughly 1-1 with voluntary and involuntary departures. There are many times more agents on the border, the immigration courts are operating at way above capacity, we've caught and deported far more in that era than previously, and everyone supports kicking out the criminal elements and we did a lot of that.

Further, for years now at least more than half and by some estimates as many as 3/4th of the newly arriving 'illegals' arrive here totally legally and stay, in large part (and an essential part of the "problem" - in quotes because it's not a problem for the big boys) because of employers like Donald J. Trump who hire them and keep them on the job and do not care about legal status, which Trump's demands here do not address, and which Trump didn't care about at least through 2019.

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It is about time we took this crisis serious and did something about it. When the number of lawless losers in this country illegally is just a percentage of the number of people we allow in this country legally each year then we can say that we are doing enough. But until then as long as the number of people in this country illegally exceeds the number of people we allow into our country legally we are in a crisis and emergency efforts need to under taken. Our border and the number of people in this country illegally should be less than 10% of what we allow into our country legally. That would still be 100 thousand too many.

Chomsky said:

I was speaking to Trump's failure at the border wall with respect to G.W. & Obama, but fair enough. I can respect your thoughts here, and I agree in general. I diverge with you on Trump - the man - specifically, though. Because, I see him as a con & charlatan, and can't stand him.

Remove the xenophobia and racial animus, and there's much in general about his message that has merit (on the surface). But he's the wrong messenger with the wrong tactics, in my opinion ...

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Well I would like to see how well you would be portrayed if most of our media in this country made every effort to make a fool out of you.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Well I would like to see how well you would be portrayed if most of our media in this country made every effort to make a fool out of you.

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So now simply rebroadcasting the mans words is making a fool out of him? The doesn't say much for the guy saying the words, now does it?

Tweet

"@meridithmcgraw

Just in: Acting Sec of Defense Shanahan just told reporters he hasn’t determined if there is a military necessity for a border wall or how much money Defense will even spend. Shanahan said he hasn’t yet spoken to President Trump.

3:04 PM - 16 Feb 2019"

PIPEWRENCH said:

No people who break the law should be punished and they have forfeited their rights. There is big difference between punishing criminals who have broken the law and taking away the rights of law abiding citizens. What is so hard about this. I have not done anything wrong and I am not breaking the law leave me alone. Concentrate on those breaking the law.

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so, you ARE ok with restrictions being imposed on guns

then we are good. you have a right to carry and you continue to carry. to address the original question, there are no rights that the democrats have taken from you

azgreg said:

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"@meridithmcgraw

Just in: Acting Sec of Defense Shanahan just told reporters he hasn’t determined if there is a military necessity for a border wall or how much money Defense will even spend. Shanahan said he hasn’t yet spoken to President Trump.

3:04 PM - 16 Feb 2019"

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There is a shocker for you. Trump's slippery, slipshod, fig leaf ridden National Emergency order which also transfers property claims ala' Eminent Domain to DoD as a means to dodge the issue of DoD money being used for a CBP project and the head of the DoD has no earthly idea what is going on or when or how he is to accomplish what!

Don't worry buddy, you will be back at Boing long before anybody is sticking a shovel in the ground at the border. Don't sweat it. You have NOTHING to worry about.

justabubba said:

so, you ARE ok with restrictions being imposed on guns

then we are good. you have a right to carry and you continue to carry. to address the original question, there are no rights that the democrats have taken from you

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No I am not good with placing restrictions on law abiding citizens.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Well I would like to see how well you would be portrayed if most of our media in this country made every effort to make a fool out of you.

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The main problem with Trump's relationship with the press, like all his other problems, is Trump.

Mycroft said:

Now that money won't be the issue, I think you'll be surprised at how quickly it'll get done.

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Bwahahaha good one, comrade. This won’t get past the courts, let alone get done quickly.

I just watched the cold open of the SNL from last night and they had Baldwin doing Trump from the Rose Garden issuing Fridays emergency declaration.

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For the first time, I am convinced that the actual real Trump conference was much much funnier and far far worse than any SNL parody of it could ever be.

How do you do a spoof of something that already is a spoof - and a really bad one at that?

haymarket said:

I just watched the cold open of the SNL from last night and they had Baldwin doing Trump from the Rose Garden issuing Fridays emergency declaration.

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For the first time, I am convinced that the actual real Trump conference was much much funnier and far far worse than any SNL parody of it could ever be.

How do you do a spoof of something that already is a spoof - and a really bad one at that?

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Mark Meadows is covering himself in stupid this weekend as well, claiming that Congress not acting on Trump's threats of a National Emergency declaration makes the President's position in court stronger. How is that Mark? There is no vehicle for the Congress to use in response to the threat of a National Emergency declaration and in fact, just claiming that Congress should have found some way to respond to a threat of same makes the case for this phony National Emergency weaker not stronger. All Congress can do is act on an actual declaration, not the threat of one.

Suggesting that Congress should have considered the period of time before declaration a "ramp up" is laughably stupid. Does Meadows actually think he is helping Trump?

jnug said:

Mark Meadows is covering himself in stupid this weekend as well, claiming that Congress not acting on Trump's threats of a National Emergency declaration makes the President's position in court stronger. How is that Mark? There is no vehicle for the Congress to use in response to the threat of a National Emergency declaration and in fact, just claiming that Congress should have found some way to respond to a threat of same makes the case for this phony National Emergency weaker not stronger. All Congress can do is act on an actual declaration, not the threat of one.

Suggesting that Congress should have considered the period of time before declaration a "ramp up" is laughably stupid. Does Meadows actually think he is helping Trump?

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The stupidity of Mark Meadows is only exceeded in Congress by his fellow idiot Jim Jordan of Ohio. Between the two of them there is not one ounce of common sense.

Mycroft said:

The whole point of declaring a national emergency is to what? Yep...get it done quickly.

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I see. Such as learning to tie your shoes quickly? The “whole point” is that peril of national import is at hand that must be dealt with immediately with resources only available through a declaration. It is silly to claim that border crossings that have been occurring year after year, decade after decade, but now decreasing in number, and which account for a small fraction of crime and drugs in the country, meet that description.

JackA said:

I see. Such as learning to tie your shoes quickly? The “whole point” is that peril of national import is at hand that must be dealt with immediately with resources only available through a declaration. It is silly to claim that border crossings that have been occurring year after year, decade after decade, but now decreasing in number, and which account for a small fraction of crime and drugs in the country, meet that description.

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How do you know the numbers have been decreasing?

Mycroft said:

How do you know the numbers have been decreasing?

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Border Crossings Have Been Declining for Years, Despite Claims of a ‘Crisis of Illegal Immigration’ - The New York Times

JasperL said:

The main problem with Trump's relationship with the press, like all his other problems, is Trump.

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If you call trying to accomplish things our past presidents and congress failed at in epic proportions a problem I guess so.

JackA said:

I see. Such as learning to tie your shoes quickly? The “whole point” is that peril of national import is at hand that must be dealt with immediately with resources only available through a declaration. It is silly to claim that border crossings that have been occurring year after year, decade after decade, but now decreasing in number, and which account for a small fraction of crime and drugs in the country, meet that description.

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Democrats are doing a great deal of damage to the safety and security as well as the fiscal stability of the nation by lying about border security. It is hard to believe so many Americans are deluded by the outrageously stupid and false propaganda.

marke said:

It is hard to believe so many Americans are deluded by ... outrageously stupid and false propaganda.

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It’s been easy to believe ever since Trump nearly outpolled Clinton in the election. Who would have thought a crude, self obsessed, bull sh...er could fool so many voters? But he did, and we believe.

JackA said:

Border Crossings Have Been Declining for Years, Despite Claims of a ‘Crisis of Illegal Immigration’ - The New York Times

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The most commonly used metric to measure how many people are illegally crossing into the United States is the number of people who are arrested, taken into custody or otherwise “apprehended” at or near the country’s borders.

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This metric may be the most commonly used, but it cannot be accurate because it doesn't actually measure how many are crossing. Only how many are caught.

1. We have no way of knowing if more or less people do not get caught.

2. The number of people caught is highly dependent upon the effort made to catch people.

Mycroft said:

This metric may be the most commonly used, but it cannot be accurate because it doesn't actually measure how many are crossing. Only how many are caught.

1. We have no way of knowing if more or less people do not get caught.

2. The number of people caught is highly dependent upon the effort made to catch people.

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The border patrol believes crossings have lessened. That aside, on the subject of metrics, what is the metric that shows that after more than a century without there being an emergency anyone knew about there happens to be an emergency now? I mean other than the emergency of Trump’s need to save face.

There will be no Wall. There will be the 55 miles of border barrier built, plus whatever money is left from the previous CR plus a few miles of test bed border barrier and that is it. This whole Wall thing is and has been a FARCE. It has been a farce the entire time Trump has been President and for the bulk of his campaign. I simply do not know whether it will hurt Trump with his ghoulish base once even they figure out that THEY HAVE BEEN HAD.

If anything Trump has assured it won't be built via his phony National Emergency and his EO's. Of course I don't expect his cement headed base to figure out that he has foreclosed anything ever again coming out of Congress for more physical border barrier certainly while he is President and Trump's multiple slippery dodges and multiple fig leaves in his National Emergency declaration and his EO's offer challenge after challenge for a bevy of plaintiffs including states, border property owners, Congress and every and any single taxpayer in the country. See you in 2020 at best before the court cases are completed!

JackA said:

The border patrol believes crossings have lessened. That aside, on the subject of metrics, what is the metric that shows that after more than a century without there being an emergency anyone knew about there happens to be an emergency now? I mean other than the emergency of Trump’s need to save face.

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Illegal immigration has always been an emergency. Different administrations cared or didn't care to various degrees.

The Trump administration cares a lot and is determined to do everything they can to deal with the emergency. Trump is the only President that I can remember who actually wants to combat the problem of illegal immigration. Previous administrations either paid insincere lip service or tried to fix the problem by just making the illegal immigrants legal. Neither fixed the problem...it just got worse.