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How much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

Amelia

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Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
 
Who cares?I don't care if it costs 100 billion.Its a shovel ready job.How much is it costing for the Mueller circus?
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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It doesn't matter. Trump has more than enough money available right now to build the wall, including dealing with frivolous lawsuits.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter. Trump has more than enough money available right now to build the wall, including dealing with frivolous lawsuits.
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No he doesn't. He has his $1.375B plus whatever is left from the last CR. Knock your mind out DonDon.
 
gulfman said:
Who cares?I don't care if it costs 100 billion.Its a shovel ready job.How much is it costing for the Mueller circus?
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Robert Mueller's investigation could turn a profit for the government, thanks to Paul Manafort's asset forfeiture. Manafort agreed to forfeit real estate and cash estimated to be worth between $42 million and $46 million. It's unlikely that the costs of the Mueller investigation will exceed the amount to be seized from Manafort.
 
I'm thinking the cost is not financial, but constitutional powers. The cost of the wall is a drop in the bucket. Hell, proponents of the 50 trillion dollar green new deal say we can just print up what we need.

The cost is throwing away the concept of checks and balances. It's extreme executive overreach. Even if we were to assume this were an emergency (and few are willing to say that), congress had time to consider, debate, and pass a bill that specifically denied spending on this subject. A hurricane did not hit and require action before they could meet.

The cost is astronomical even though the dollar price tag is nothing compared to the national budget.
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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Probably less than a pork laden House bill.
 
chuckiechan said:
Probably less than a pork laden House bill.
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Until the next president uses the precedent Trump sets to declare a national emergency based on climate change and puts the Green New Deal into effect. How much do you think that will cost?
 
In his State of the Union address, Trump said;

"Many childhood cancers have not seen new therapies in decades. My budget will ask the Congress for $500 million over the next 10 years to fund this critical life-saving research."

Imagine, 500 million over 10 years for childhood cancer research, that's 50 million a year to fund research to help save the lives of children diagnosed with cancer. How much do you want to bet that he wouldn't blink twice before raiding that fund for his stupid, non-essential wall?
 
Keridan said:
I'm thinking the cost is not financial, but constitutional powers. The cost of the wall is a drop in the bucket. Hell, proponents of the 50 trillion dollar green new deal say we can just print up what we need.

The cost is throwing away the concept of checks and balances. It's extreme executive overreach. Even if we were to assume this were an emergency (and few are willing to say that), congress had time to consider, debate, and pass a bill that specifically denied spending on this subject. A hurricane did not hit and require action before they could meet.

The cost is astronomical even though the dollar price tag is nothing compared to the national budget.
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I lean executive power (fan of the WPA), but even to me it seems too much.
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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I'll be surprised if he gets away with it. Congress will try to stop him.
 
HumblePi said:
In his State of the Union address, Trump said;

"Many childhood cancers have not seen new therapies in decades. My budget will ask the Congress for $500 million over the next 10 years to fund this critical life-saving research."

Imagine, 500 million over 10 years for childhood cancer research, that's 50 million a year to fund research to help save the lives of children diagnosed with cancer. How much do you want to bet that he wouldn't blink twice before raiding that fund for his stupid, non-essential wall?
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Why wouldn't he? His kids have already done this. :(
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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IDK but I'll say this, I don't want to hear a single whine from Republicans, not one whimper, when a Democratic President declares a national emergency over climate change or guns.
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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No idea and to any extent, whining about it doesn't' really matter. If we had to sit through everything that our last presidents chose to do, then this is no different. I'm at least willing to give him a chance to fix the issue.
 
gulfman said:
Who cares?I don't care if it costs 100 billion.Its a shovel ready job.How much is it costing for the Mueller circus?
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Too much time, money and effort at this point. Not to mention possibly staining what was, by all accounts, a great career for the man. If he comes out with nothing, this could mark him permanently for both parties.
 
jnug said:
No he doesn't. He has his $1.375B plus whatever is left from the last CR. Knock your mind out DonDon.
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Mycroft thinks Trump can appropriate money out of his orange ass.
 
Keridan said:
I'm thinking the cost is not financial, but constitutional powers. The cost of the wall is a drop in the bucket. Hell, proponents of the 50 trillion dollar green new deal say we can just print up what we need.

The cost is throwing away the concept of checks and balances. It's extreme executive overreach. Even if we were to assume this were an emergency (and few are willing to say that), congress had time to consider, debate, and pass a bill that specifically denied spending on this subject. A hurricane did not hit and require action before they could meet.

The cost is astronomical even though the dollar price tag is nothing compared to the national budget.
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That's really well said and is exactly the relevant point. I already 'liked' it but that's as well as I've seen the core issue summarized. :peace
 
lwf said:
Until the next president uses the precedent Trump sets to declare a national emergency based on climate change and puts the Green New Deal into effect. How much do you think that will cost?
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Its been done like 50 times since Bill Clinton. Its just seems new because you never cared before.
 
Phys251 said:
IDK but I'll say this, I don't want to hear a single whine from Republicans, not one whimper, when a Democratic President declares a national emergency over climate change or guns.
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Just like Trump will be required to show standing, Democrats will be required to show standing for their payback.
 
JasperL said:
That's really well said and is exactly the relevant point. I already 'liked' it but that's as well as I've seen the core issue summarized. :peace
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Thank you. Honestly, it seems so straightforward that I have trouble seeing how anyone defends this. Ironically, I remember some of the names for decrying Obama's EOs. I wasn't a fan of Obama's approach, but it wasn't nearly as bad as this. It's a direct affront to the separation of powers.
 
Oborosen said:
No idea and to any extent, whining about it doesn't' really matter. If we had to sit through everything that our last presidents chose to do, then this is no different. I'm at least willing to give him a chance to fix the issue.
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That makes no sense.
 
reflechissez said:
That makes no sense.
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We've had presidents before Trump. Who've done their own things and we've gotten through it.

There is also an issue that much be resolved and I'm willing to give him the chance.

That's it. No cringe, no bluster, no nothing.
I'm just tired of all of the whining from both sides and I'd rather just see something be done at this point.
 
The number of suits could be mountainous. Not only do Property Owners on the Southern border have legal standing, but since Trump would be absconding with funds that have been duly Appropriated for other purposes and is simply engaging in an end run of Article 1, literally any US taxpayer or group of US taxpayers would have standing on the basis of Constitutionality. The biggest $ number would be the $3.5B taken from Defense Dept military construction. That is the biggest $ figure and the one requiring Trump use National Emergency declaration. That one is going nowhere. The next biggest nut is $2.5B from the Defense Dept drug interdiction program via Executive Action. That one is going nowhere. The EO regarding $600M from the Treasury Dept Drug forfeitures via EO might have the best shot at threading the needle but only if there are no established paths for those drug forfeitures. For example if they are supposed to make there way to communities negatively impacted by the illicit drug activity even that $600M will be hard to just slip out over the transom.

All three efforts, the National Emergency Declaration and the two EO's will draw legal action IMO.

This is the nightmare scenario for the GOP. Trump could have left them with one sort of problem with a National Emergency Declaration and another sort of problem with EO's shifting funds. Sure enough, you guessed it folks. DonDon gives them both!
 
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jnug said:
No he doesn't. He has his $1.375B plus whatever is left from the last CR. Knock your mind out DonDon.
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LOL!!



Here are the facts:



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“I just got off the phone with Mick Mulvaney, chief of staff, and the answer is a resounding ‘Yes.’ Now for the first time, you will hear how much it is and where the money is coming from.
It’s going to be about $8 billion. He had the $1.3, then $600 million will come from the Treasury, the Treasury forfeiture front. $2.5 billion out of DoD. They consulted with Mick Mulvaney and the White House over the last few months on what they could actually do and they are going to use some money they feel they can spare on the drug interdiction account,” he continued. “Then they came across with $3.5 billion for the military, the military construction budget.”
 
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