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How much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

jnug said:
1) Does the Congress not have the powers of the purse through Article 1 of the Constitution? Yes
2) Has the Congress already spoken in this regard? Yes
3) Can Trump go back to the Congress and attempt to gain more funding for physical barrier? Yes
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All true...but what is also true is that Trump doesn't have to go back to Congress for more funding. He can take what they gave them and turn to other lawful means to deal with border security. It's his choice to make.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Just like Trump will be required to show standing, Democrats will be required to show standing for their payback.
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If Trump actually goes through with this then your point means nothing. He'd be setting the precedent and a Democratic President would simply be following it.
 
jnug said:
No he doesn't. The National Emergency Act is not designed for any of what Trump is doing and the biggest nut ($3.5B) is coming from his phony National Emergency declaration. He is headed to court and will be there a loooong time at best. A quick ruling won't go his way. A long protracted fight is the best he gets.

In the meantime he forces the GOP into a political corner that it will be difficult to extricate themselves from. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
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Pardon my thread crap, but why are people like you fighting so hard to have low skill immigrants and socially dependent families flood into the USA, depriving citizens of jobs and crushing the incentive of business owners to give raises? As the economy automates more low tech jobs, what are these people supposed to do? Live on welfare and work off the books in front of Home Depot?

We are the only country I know of that imports poverty then complains "poverty is too high in America". Huh?
 
Phys251 said:
If Trump actually goes through with this then your point means nothing. He'd be setting the precedent and a Democratic President would simply be following it.
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Yes, a Democratic President would follow it. Doesn't matter because in the end, they still have to prove standing. So, I don't agree that my point means nothing. In the end, doesn't matter if its Trump or some other President, they will STILL have to prove standing.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes, a Democratic President would follow it. Doesn't matter because in the end, they still have to prove standing. So, I don't agree that my point means nothing. In the end, doesn't matter if its Trump or some other President, they will STILL have to prove standing.
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Are you suggesting that Congress or the courts should override this faux "emergency"? If so, I would agree. If it's such an emergency then why is he taking off to the golf course this afternoon instead of going to the war room? After all, it's an emergency!
 
HumblePi said:
In his State of the Union address, Trump said;

"Many childhood cancers have not seen new therapies in decades. My budget will ask the Congress for $500 million over the next 10 years to fund this critical life-saving research."

Imagine, 500 million over 10 years for childhood cancer research, that's 50 million a year to fund research to help save the lives of children diagnosed with cancer. How much do you want to bet that he wouldn't blink twice before raiding that fund for his stupid, non-essential wall?
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Congratulations on the stunning defeat of the straw man you created. Well played!
 
Phys251 said:
Are you suggesting that Congress or the courts should override this faux "emergency"? If so, I would agree. If it's such an emergency then why is he taking off to the golf course this afternoon instead of going to the war room? After all, it's an emergency!
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If Congress has the votes, that is up to them.

As for the courts, I don't think that they will.

As to what I think, I think Congress needs to stop catering to special interests and do its job. Which includes making sure that the Executive Branch has enough money to enforce current law.
 
chuckiechan said:
Its been done like 50 times since Bill Clinton. Its just seems new because you never cared before.
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I never said it was new. I said the future cost will be huge. Do you disagree?
 
Oborosen said:
We've had presidents before Trump. Who've done their own things and we've gotten through it.

There is also an issue that much be resolved and I'm willing to give him the chance.

That's it. No cringe, no bluster, no nothing.
I'm just tired of all of the whining from both sides and I'd rather just see something be done at this point.
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We've had no president like trump in modern history. This is not "business as usual."
 
Kal'Stang said:
If Congress has the votes, that is up to them.

As for the courts, I don't think that they will.

As to what I think, I think Congress needs to stop catering to special interests and do its job. Which includes making sure that the Executive Branch has enough money to enforce current law.
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POTUS does not get to do everything they want to do just because they want to do it. Trump is about to learn that lesson yet again, because he clearly didn't learn it from the Trump Shutdown.
 
How many billions do illegal aliens cost year after year? That is the real question.
 
veritas1 said:
How many billions do illegal aliens cost year after year? That is the real question.
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That has zero to do with Trump circumventing the Constitution to only appease his base.
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?
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"Emergency" should be in quotes, as Trump has already admitted it's not actually an emergency, he just wanted to get funding faster.

Anyway, if it is enacted, it will cost us maybe $8 billion, and one democracy.


How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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In terms of funding, not much. A few million, I guess?

The real cost is that Trump is eviscerating the Constitution and our system of government, mostly because he is afraid of Anne Coulter. (I am literally shaking my head with disgust as I type that.)
 
veritas1 said:
How many billions do illegal aliens cost year after year?
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Pretty close to "none."

The figures touted by the xenophobes are incredibly inflated, as they include any costs associated with US-born children of undocumented immigrants. Since those children are actually US citizens, they're clearly putting a thumb on the scale. Any screed that refers to "illegal alien households" is almost certainly deceiving you via this method.

When we look at more rational assessments, what we see are millions of immigrants who generate lots of economic activity (they all have to pay rent, buy food, buy clothing, etc), who pay all sorts of taxes (such as sales taxes), and also contribute payroll taxes for benefits they will cannot and will not receive (Social Security and Medicare). The result, for the most part, is a wash.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter. Trump has more than enough money available right now to build the wall, including dealing with frivolous lawsuits.
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Pffft.

By the time Trump pays off all the hoods and scammers he hangs around with, your +$1b wall will be something like this:

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Oh who am I kidding? There won't be enough money left over to even build that.
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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Let's see....

Add in the cost of his rallies, the law suits, the appeals, the lawsuits by individual land owners, civil rights agencies, it's 7 figures easy.

The true cost will be in how the debate/trials will tear the nation apart. And, the lawsuits concerning the illegal restrictions at the current crisis of government haven't even been announced. There have been two dead children we know of, there's $25 million right there. The on-going medicl and psych treatments for thousands of children for life...

And then there is the still germinating international backlash, Amnesty International and co. are warming up their lawyers and raising $ through donations.

Oh, yeah I think this is no longer a brush fire between Trump and Congress but a full blown, multi-headed wild fire sweeping across the world
 
Amelia said:
Assuming that Trump declares a national emergency tomorrow, how much will Trump's national emergency cost us?

How much will it cost us to pay for Trump to defend this in the courts?
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Far more than the mere 3.5 billion the Dems tried to cheat him out of. By the way did anyone notice the million or so Dreamers got zip with this deal. Shows how important they really are to the dems.
 
reflechissez said:
We've had no president like trump in modern history. This is not "business as usual."
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No, no we haven't. Then again, not all presidents are the same, so there is that as well.

One got caught having an affair in the white house of all places, not to mention the literal mountain of sexual misconduct charges put against him and sexual assault allegations. Of which I would be more than willing to look over if they were just allegation, yet he settled them out of court.

One got us into a needless war, that I had the unfortunate deal to participate in. Having no mandate for going into Iraq, not to mention not actually fining any weapons of mass destruction. This also included the issues he had to face after 9/11, like us finding out that he ignored the memo and even began wire tapping without warrants.

One got us event farther into a recession than we thought he would. Though let me point out, I don't hold it against him that we were in it when it took office. But for us to go even further into it with his help was an immense blow to the people (myself included) who voted for him. This including that all the money he wasted on stimulus packages ended up dwarfing all the previous packages issued, combined. But the big issue for me, wasn't his weakness in dealing with other world leaders, it wasn't his disastrous ACA nonsense, or the introduction DACA.

It was because after all that time, he had the audacity to say that his presidency was one that had no scandals and to this very day, he continues to say that.

Trump on the other hand. Sleazy business practices, surrounding himself with yes men, while also being course/brash/off the cuff/shoots from the hip..etc ect. He tweets way too much and gets into pissing contest with heads of state. Not to mention playing his part in the birther run, though he still later conceded on that issue, he still bore fault.

So no, he's not like other presidents. But they're all still assholes, all the same.
 
Oborosen said:
No, no we haven't. Then again, not all presidents are the same, so there is that as well.

One got caught having an affair in the white house of all places, not to mention the literal mountain of sexual misconduct charges put against him and sexual assault allegations. Of which I would be more than willing to look over if they were just allegation, yet he settled them out of court.

One got us into a needless war, that I had the unfortunate deal to participate in. Having no mandate for going into Iraq, not to mention not actually fining any weapons of mass destruction. This also included the issues he had to face after 9/11, like us finding out that he ignored the memo and even began wire tapping without warrants.

One got us event farther into a recession than we thought he would. Though let me point out, I don't hold it against him that we were in it when it took office. But for us to go even further into it with his help was an immense blow to the people (myself included) who voted for him. This including that all the money he wasted on stimulus packages ended up dwarfing all the previous packages issued, combined. But the big issue for me, wasn't his weakness in dealing with other world leaders, it wasn't his disastrous ACA nonsense, or the introduction DACA.

It was because after all that time, he had the audacity to say that his presidency was one that had no scandals and to this very day, he continues to say that.

Trump on the other hand. Sleazy business practices, surrounding himself with yes men, while also being course/brash/off the cuff/shoots from the hip..etc ect. He tweets way too much and gets into pissing contest with heads of state. Not to mention playing his part in the birther run, though he still later conceded on that issue, he still bore fault.

So no, he's not like other presidents. But they're all still assholes, all the same.
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"Not all presidents are the same." Brilliant.
 
How much will Trump's national emergency cost us?
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He's tying up money allocated for military construction; allocated is the key word. In our central banking system all money is created as debt, so until the 7+ billion is used it doesn't exist and These United States isn't paying interest on it. As long as tRump has it tied up it in court injunctions the interest saved my pay toward the lawsuits.

In any case his "National Emergency" will be tied up in court until he's no longer pResident; IMHO. :)
 
gulfman said:
Who cares?I don't care if it costs 100 billion.Its a shovel ready job.How much is it costing for the Mueller circus?
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When I see a post like this I know either the poster isn't good at math or isn't paying attention to the happenings in the Mueller investigation.
 
chuckiechan said:
Its been done like 50 times since Bill Clinton. Its just seems new because you never cared before.
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Only 30 are still active, and I don't believe any presidential emergency issuance was within US borders.
 
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