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Clearly the democrats do not want a border wall

Moot said:
I think Democrats do want border security...they just don't think it needs to be a wall.

Is Karl Marx still a thing? :tocktock2
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Not in American universities on one hand, but definitely in American universities on the other. It is confusing what the marxists on the left propose today, other than the fact that they want total government control over all of our lives.
 
Virgil Jones said:
They are completely against border security because they want to continue to receive millions of illegal votes. They have sanctuary cities, openly flaunting their disdain for America. They hate this country. We are evil because our economic system and our limited government system works spectacularly, confounding all of the socialists on the left.

What should we say to these leftists who believe Karl Marx ever accomplished anything other than shared total misery?
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You do realize that there is a difference between a border wall which is an expensive boondoggle and real border security. Presently several companies are building manned drones which will make it much easier for anyone to just fly over your wall with passengers or drugs. That is why the wall is a farce and that we need modern electronic means of keeping our borders safe.
 
Virgil Jones said:
The wall will pay for itself many times over.
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Oh great.

You must have spent a great deal of time pouring over the numbers. Show me the math
 
rjay said:
Oh great.

You must have spent a great deal of time pouring over the numbers. Show me the math
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150 billion per year vs 23 billion one time is pretty serious math.
 
independentusa said:
You do realize that there is a difference between a border wall which is an expensive boondoggle and real border security. Presently several companies are building manned drones which will make it much easier for anyone to just fly over your wall with passengers or drugs. That is why the wall is a farce and that we need modern electronic means of keeping our borders safe.
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The border walls in Israel and Hungary work very well. The main thing holding us up here is democrats who support open borders.
 
Virgil Jones said:
150 billion per year vs 23 billion one time is pretty serious math.
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Sorry I did not see where the numbers came from. You are a magician. You pulled them out of your ass so quick it was hard to notice.

Perhaps you can source these numbers. Perhaps if you list the expenditures vs the benefits with no wall and compare that to expenditures vs benefits with a wall.

A 10 year time-frame for the comparison should underscore your point.
 
rjay said:
Sorry I did not see where the numbers came from. You are a magician. You pulled them out of your ass so quick it was hard to notice.

Perhaps you can source these numbers. Perhaps if you list the expenditures vs the benefits with no wall and compare that to expenditures vs benefits with a wall.

A 10 year time-frame for the comparison should underscore your point.
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Any number from the democrats who benefit from illegals voting is pure crap.
 
Virgil Jones said:
The border walls in Israel and Hungary work very well. The main thing holding us up here is democrats who support open borders.
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they work now and the one in Israel is only 400 miles with each mile being watched. We have 2000 mile of border and it is impossible to keep a physical eye on all of it. Like I said, in the very near future people will just flyo over it with ease.
 
Virgil Jones said:
They are completely against border security because they want to continue to receive millions of illegal votes. They have sanctuary cities, openly flaunting their disdain for America. They hate this country. We are evil because our economic system and our limited government system works spectacularly, confounding all of the socialists on the left.

What should we say to these leftists who believe Karl Marx ever accomplished anything other than shared total misery?
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illegals wall dems would build.jpg
 
independentusa said:
they work now and the one in Israel is only 400 miles with each mile being watched. We have 2000 mile of border and it is impossible to keep a physical eye on all of it. Like I said, in the very near future people will just flyo over it with ease.
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Israel is the size of a pancake or something. Of course their wall is short.
 
Virgil Jones said:
Why does California sign up illegal aliens to vote?
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It does NOT! That's just more right wing paranoia, like Democrats or Liberals are FOR open boarders; just not true.<-period

Fact Check: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

What's True:

California has implemented a law providing for the automatic voter registration of motorists who obtain or renew driver's licenses, and critics contend that the law will make it easier for non-citizens to unlawfully vote.

What's False:

California has not implemented a law authorizing non-citizens to vote in federal elections.
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Why did you ignore the other points of my post, like:

Originally Posted by Virgil Jones
They have sanctuary cities …
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It's not just Democrats, sanctuary cities were established to protect people that have been here working most of their adult lives, doing menial jobs for low pay that don't have "papers" in any country, from being sent to … where? And harassed … why?


Originally Posted by Virgil Jones
We are evil because our economic system and our limited government system works spectacularly, confounding all of the socialists on the left.
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Except that the America that was great, the one you want to make over AGAIN was an America that had strong social programs and regulations that protected common AmeriCANs and didn't favor the wealthy like the oligarch utopia the conservatives extreme right favors today.


Originally Posted by Virgil Jones
They hate this country … openly flaunting their disdain for America.
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What is UN-AmeriCAN is the extreme rights hate for their fellow AmeriCANs who love this country, OUR (yours and mine) COUNTRY every bit as much as you do.

Originally Posted by Virgil Jones
What should we say to these leftists who believe Karl Marx ever accomplished anything other than shared total misery?
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First of all you don't accuse them of **** that has never, EVER entered their mind and then you "say" … "My fellow AmeriCAN lets reason out our differences so that AMERICA can continue to be truly GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Irwin Corey said:
It does NOT! That's just more right wing paranoia, like Democrats or Liberals are FOR open boarders; just not true.<-period

Fact Check: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections



Why did you ignore the other points of my post, like:

It's not just Democrats, sanctuary cities were established to protect people that have been here working most of their adult lives, doing menial jobs for low pay that don't have "papers" in any country, from being sent to … where? And harassed … why?


Except that the America that was great, the one you want to make over AGAIN was an America that had strong social programs and regulations that protected common AmeriCANs and didn't favor the wealthy like the oligarch utopia the conservatives extreme right favors today.



What is UN-AmeriCAN is the extreme rights hate for their fellow AmeriCANs who love this country, OUR (yours and mine) COUNTRY every bit as much as you do.

First of all you don't accuse them of **** that has never, EVER entered their mind and then you "say" … "My fellow AmeriCAN lets reason out our differences so that AMERICA can continue to be truly GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
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I didn't say that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in federal elections. I said that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in elections. You may notice a slight difference that allows millions of illegal voters to vote.
 
Virgil Jones said:
I didn't say that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in federal elections. I said that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in elections. You may notice a slight difference that allows millions of illegal voters to vote.
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And Snopes clearly states the don't.

So why do you hate more than half of your fellow AmeriCANs?

Originally Posted by Virgil Jones
They hate this country … openly flaunting their disdain for America.
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I'd say it's you that is flaunting your disdain for AmeriCANs therefore America!
 
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Irwin Corey said:
And Snopes clearly states the don't.

So why do you hate more than half of your fellow AmeriCANs?



I'd say it's you that is flaunting your disdain for AmeriCANs therefore America!
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The husband and wife team known as Snopes was outed years ago as partisan morons.
 
Irwin Corey said:
And Snopes clearly states the don't.

So why do you hate more than half of your fellow AmeriCANs?



I'd say it's you that is flaunting your disdain for AmeriCANs therefore America!
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I would like the greatest country in world history to continue to exist. How did we accomplish this feat? It certainly was not through painting all white people as an evil which needs to be stamped out. You may want to check your channels there.
 
Virgil Jones said:
I didn't say that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in federal elections. I said that democrats sign up illegal aliens to vote in elections. You may notice a slight difference that allows millions of illegal voters to vote.
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Where?....You have proof?...Or just some InfoWars BULL****
 
JasperL said:
That's true and at least for those of us in houses the "wall" is just an inconvenience for anyone who actually wants into the house. No serious criminal who wants in THAT house is deterred by walls or locks, because almost always there's a big, beautiful window that's easy to break and climb right in, or just reach in and turn a lock, etc. Most of our locks aren't serious barriers to any actual criminal.

And the right analogy, if you're going to go the house route, is a house with steel walls, barred windows, and more but that has the doors wide open for the dozens of workers to go in an out every single day. Why would anyone try going through the steel walls or barred windows when the door is wide open and people are streaming in and out of my house all day every day?
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Yet I'm sure by tonight you'll be inside your 4 walls with the door locked again. Of course walls aren't a fail-safe method of border control. But they are still a viable one.

I agree there are far more better, cheaper, and more effective options but Dems would just as eagerly shut those down too.
 
Beto should be commended for his honesty: If elected president, he promises to tear down the wall that currently exists.
 
Virgil Jones said:
The husband and wife team known as Snopes was outed years ago as partisan morons.
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Making other people small is how you make yourself feel big.

Virgil Jones said:
I would like the greatest country in world history to continue to exist. How did we accomplish this feat? It certainly was not through painting all white people as an evil which needs to be stamped out. You may want to check your channels there.
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You're right OUR country is GREAT. The difference between you and I is I believe policy that makes ALL AmeriCANs the best they can be is what made America Great. Since Regan our government has favored the wealthy few and that's why tRump got away with his maga bull ****, and then he went right out and signed a tax bill that is just more voodoo economics that favors the wealthy at the expense of most other Americans.
 
Crusader13 said:
Yet I'm sure by tonight you'll be inside your 4 walls with the door locked again. Of course walls aren't a fail-safe method of border control. But they are still a viable one.

I agree there are far more better, cheaper, and more effective options but Dems would just as eagerly shut those down too.
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That's not really much of an argument. "This is dumb, but if in another reality a smarter solution arose, they'd shut that down so let's do the dumb thing anyway..."
 
JasperL said:
That's not really much of an argument. "This is dumb, but if in another reality a smarter solution arose, they'd shut that down so let's do the dumb thing anyway..."
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No, it's more like "This is probably not the most effective method, but since Dems only want to complain about the fact that it keeps their voter base out without offering any meaningful alternatives on border security methods, we might as well do it".
 
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