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    Immigration

    The immigration debate is always stupid and confusing, because each side pretends there is only one reason for illegal immigration. And one side pretends that legal and illegal immigration are the same.

    There are various reasons for being an illegal immigrant. One reason is to escape desperate conditions of poverty, war, etc. Another is to make money and send it back home where it's worth a lot more. Another is to sell drugs. Etc.

    Republicans pretend that most illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals. Most are not, but some are. The problem is we don't know, because they entered illegally.

    Democrats think all immigration is good, whether legal or not. And they think it's racist to prevent illegal immigration. Maybe most illegal immigration is from the southern border, where people are less white. But immigration of any races should be legal.

    Democrats think illegal immigrants are not talking American's jobs, because they are doing the jobs that Americans don't want. That is not true. Lots of American women used to work as cleaners, and lots of American men used to work as landscapers. They just didn't work as cheaply as the illegal immigrants.

    The low skill jobs that illegal immigrants are doing were valuable as temporary sources of income for divorced women, laid off workers, students, people who for whatever reason were in between careers.

    It used to be the Republicans who liked illegal immigration, because it was good for business owners. But now a lot of Republican voters are people who would need those jobs.

    In summary, there are two sides to this debate and it makes no sense to see only one side of anything.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    The immigration debate is always stupid and confusing, because each side pretends there is only one reason for illegal immigration. And one side pretends that legal and illegal immigration are the same.

    There are various reasons for being an illegal immigrant. One reason is to escape desperate conditions of poverty, war, etc. Another is to make money and send it back home where it's worth a lot more. Another is to sell drugs. Etc.

    Republicans pretend that most illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals. Most are not, but some are. The problem is we don't know, because they entered illegally.

    Democrats think all immigration is good, whether legal or not. And they think it's racist to prevent illegal immigration. Maybe most illegal immigration is from the southern border, where people are less white. But immigration of any races should be legal.

    Democrats think illegal immigrants are not talking American's jobs, because they are doing the jobs that Americans don't want. That is not true. Lots of American women used to work as cleaners, and lots of American men used to work as landscapers. They just didn't work as cheaply as the illegal immigrants.

    The low skill jobs that illegal immigrants are doing were valuable as temporary sources of income for divorced women, laid off workers, students, people who for whatever reason were in between careers.

    It used to be the Republicans who liked illegal immigration, because it was good for business owners. But now a lot of Republican voters are people who would need those jobs.

    In summary, there are two sides to this debate and it makes no sense to see only one side of anything.
    When they crossed the border illegally, they were criminals.

    Here's another good reason to enter illegally.

    Terrorist Infiltration Threat at the Southwest Border | Center for Immigration Studies
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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    Democrats think all immigration is good, whether legal or not. And they think it's racist to prevent illegal immigration.
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    Dude, this is the ridiculous wing nut propaganda.
    Trump is president because folks cant stand those they were brought up to look down on having passed them.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When they crossed the border illegally, they were criminals.

    Here's another good reason to enter illegally.

    Terrorist Infiltration Threat at the Southwest Border | Center for Immigration Studies
    Why is it Rambo is the guy always most fearful?
    Trump is president because folks cant stand those they were brought up to look down on having passed them.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    Democrats think all immigration is good, whether legal or not. And they think it's racist to prevent illegal immigration.
    You pulled this straight out of your partisan arse.


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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Dude, this is the ridiculous wing nut propaganda.
    No, that is what I have been hearing Democrats say. They don't say "Well immigration should be controlled and it should be legal, but we have to make sure illegal immigrants are treated humanely."

    No they do NOT say that. They just say the Republicans are being racist because they want to control immigration.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When they crossed the border illegally, they were criminals.

    Here's another good reason to enter illegally.

    Terrorist Infiltration Threat at the Southwest Border | Center for Immigration Studies
    With Native Americans, they figured out that the settlement of the Roanoke Colony entered the United States illegally. The sentence was death. Native Americans, the first ICE agents.
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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    The immigration debate is always stupid and confusing, because each side pretends there is only one reason for illegal immigration. And one side pretends that legal and illegal immigration are the same.

    There are various reasons for being an illegal immigrant. One reason is to escape desperate conditions of poverty, war, etc. Another is to make money and send it back home where it's worth a lot more. Another is to sell drugs. Etc.

    Republicans pretend that most illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals. Most are not, but some are. The problem is we don't know, because they entered illegally.

    Democrats think all immigration is good, whether legal or not. And they think it's racist to prevent illegal immigration. Maybe most illegal immigration is from the southern border, where people are less white. But immigration of any races should be legal.

    Democrats think illegal immigrants are not talking American's jobs, because they are doing the jobs that Americans don't want. That is not true. Lots of American women used to work as cleaners, and lots of American men used to work as landscapers. They just didn't work as cheaply as the illegal immigrants.

    The low skill jobs that illegal immigrants are doing were valuable as temporary sources of income for divorced women, laid off workers, students, people who for whatever reason were in between careers.

    It used to be the Republicans who liked illegal immigration, because it was good for business owners. But now a lot of Republican voters are people who would need those jobs.

    In summary, there are two sides to this debate and it makes no sense to see only one side of anything.
    Most of your post is rational but a little inaccurate maybe? I see some traces of Trump media false narratives but as an independent maybe I am not the best judge.

    1. Democrats don't think it is racist (in my experience anyhow) to try to stop illigals from immigrating, they think it is racists to pretend the reason to stop illigals is because they are rapists and murderers. (Racist stereotype). As you yourself stated, they dont know. So why make the claim?

    2. Republicans still like illigals for cheap labor. If they didn't then why would Trump accept hundreds of thousands from construction and farm lobbys? (Public record). Why would Trump keep ICE in Cali instead of sweeping across America arresting illigals at farm fields and construction sites? The reason was stated by Ann Coultier on Bill Mahr a couple weeks ago. Because the billionaires like illigal labor...on both sides...including Trump.

    Here is an example. I live in an agriculture area and loosely work with new construction areas. One thing I have seen over and over is the crop circles all have "Vote Trump" signs on the interstate side but on the back side these same farmers are building housing specifically for illigals doing seasonal work.

    3. Lastly, most democrats do not support illigal immigration but they do support illigals following the law and legally applying for amnesty and other avenues that give them a chance at citizenship.

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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    With Native Americans, they figured out that the settlement of the Roanoke Colony entered the United States illegally. The sentence was death. Native Americans, the first ICE agents.
    Think you're looking for my Reconquesta thread.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: 'Reconquistador!'

    BTW: no one really knows what happened to those people.
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    Re: Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Indlib View Post
    Most of your post is rational but a little inaccurate maybe? I see some traces of Trump media false narratives but as an independent maybe I am not the best judge.

    1. Democrats don't think it is racist (in my experience anyhow) to try to stop illigals from immigrating, they think it is racists to pretend the reason to stop illigals is because they are rapists and murderers. (Racist stereotype). As you yourself stated, they dont know. So why make the claim?

    2. Republicans still like illigals for cheap labor. If they didn't then why would Trump accept hundreds of thousands from construction and farm lobbys? (Public record). Why would Trump keep ICE in Cali instead of sweeping across America arresting illigals at farm fields and construction sites? The reason was stated by Ann Coultier on Bill Mahr a couple weeks ago. Because the billionaires like illigal labor...on both sides...including Trump.

    Here is an example. I live in an agriculture area and loosely work with new construction areas. One thing I have seen over and over is the crop circles all have "Vote Trump" signs on the interstate side but on the back side these same farmers are building housing specifically for illigals doing seasonal work.

    3. Lastly, most democrats do not support illigal immigration but they do support illigals following the law and legally applying for amnesty and other avenues that give them a chance at citizenship.
    You sure those seasonal worker's homes are for illegals or are you just guessing? You know we have programs for that.

    H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers | USCIS
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