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Jews Need Not Apply

danarhea

danarhea

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With all the controversy about whether homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children, something just as important has been missed. The issue IS special treatment for people who are Protestants, in violation of the Establishment Clause. Some states don't limit their bias against just gays. In South Carolina, Jews need not apply either. As a man with some Jewish blood (from my mother), this is an insult. For those who claim we need religion in government, my reply is "Whose religion? Yours only?". Until South Carolina, as well as some of the pompous assholes who claim to be born again (but are truly not), cleans up it's act, I will continue to see them for what they are...... The Unholy American Taliban. Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE. I'm listening, and loaded for bear, I await your reply.

I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
 
danarhea said:
With all the controversy about whether homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children, something just as important has been missed. The issue IS special treatment for people who are Protestants, in violation of the Establishment Clause. Some states don't limit their bias against just gays. In South Carolina, Jews need not apply either. As a man with some Jewish blood (from my mother), this is an insult. For those who claim we need religion in government, my reply is "Whose religion? Yours only?". Until South Carolina, as well as some of the pompous assholes who claim to be born again (but are truly not), cleans up it's act, I will continue to see them for what they are...... The Unholy American Taliban. Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE. I'm listening, and loaded for bear, I await your reply.

I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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There aren't any good reasons. Barring adoption on the basis of religion is probably unconstitutional.
 
danarhea said:
With all the controversy about whether homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children, something just as important has been missed. The issue IS special treatment for people who are Protestants, in violation of the Establishment Clause. Some states don't limit their bias against just gays. In South Carolina, Jews need not apply either. As a man with some Jewish blood (from my mother), this is an insult. For those who claim we need religion in government, my reply is "Whose religion? Yours only?". Until South Carolina, as well as some of the pompous assholes who claim to be born again (but are truly not), cleans up it's act, I will continue to see them for what they are...... The Unholy American Taliban. Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE. I'm listening, and loaded for bear, I await your reply.

I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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So they went to a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN ADOPTION agency, and was surprised that they seek to have children adopted to Christian homes? Does she think Jewish adoption agencies are not limited to JEWISH PARENTS?


The thread is based on a DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION...as she made it sound as though it was the STATE making that distinction.


Pathetic.
 
If it is a private adoption agency AND the biological parent/s chose that agency, then I don't have a problem with it. If the STATE placed the child in that agency's custody to handle the adoption then that would be a problem.
 
Grokmaster said:
So they went to a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN ADOPTION agency, and was surprised that they seek to have children adopted to Christian homes? Does she think Jewish adoption agencies are not limited to JEWISH PARENTS?


The thread is based on a DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION...as she made it sound as though it was the STATE making that distinction.


Pathetic.
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Tim-
 
Grokmaster said:
So they went to a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN ADOPTION agency, and was surprised that they seek to have children adopted to Christian homes? Does she think Jewish adoption agencies are not limited to JEWISH PARENTS?


The thread is based on a DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION...as she made it sound as though it was the STATE making that distinction.


Pathetic.
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Reading is fundamental, and it's obvious you did not read the article in context. Here is an excerpt.

"My husband and I initially reached out to the adoptions division of the state Department of Social Services office in Greenville County. However, the agency was backlogged, with expected wait times of about a year for a foster-adoptive license. The director suggested that we work with a private agency, Miracle Hill, which had an orphanage full of school-aged boys and would be able to move forward right away."

The "Christian" agency was who the State of South Carolina recommended, because they were backlogged and had no time for that family.

Do you "grok" it yet?

Pathetic.
 
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danarhea said:
With all the controversy about whether homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children, something just as important has been missed. The issue IS special treatment for people who are Protestants, in violation of the Establishment Clause. Some states don't limit their bias against just gays. In South Carolina, Jews need not apply either. As a man with some Jewish blood (from my mother), this is an insult. For those who claim we need religion in government, my reply is "Whose religion? Yours only?". Until South Carolina, as well as some of the pompous assholes who claim to be born again (but are truly not), cleans up it's act, I will continue to see them for what they are...... The Unholy American Taliban. Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE. I'm listening, and loaded for bear, I await your reply.

I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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I do not know how this private Christian Agency was chartered to take in these children or find homes for them.
 
Felis Leo said:
I do not know how this private Christian Agency was chartered to take in these children or find homes for them.
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Again, THIS is the Agency that the South Carolina Department of Social Services recommended. Actually, in my honest opinion, South Carolina has no freaking business recommending a private agency that discriminates. Had the family sought that agency out on their own, I would have no problem with the result. However, that is NOT what happened.
 
The article was one sidded before I make any judgment call it would be nice to see what the states response to the article is
 
bearpoker said:
There aren't any good reasons. Barring adoption on the basis of religion is probably unconstitutional.
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Not for a PRIVATE, FAITH-BASED agency. There are JEWISH ADOPTION SERVICES, TOO.
 
Felis Leo said:
I do not know how this private Christian Agency was chartered to take in these children or find homes for them.
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Because they GET RESULTS. There are JEWISH ADPOTION agencies, too. And? 1st Amendment.
 
danarhea said:
Again, THIS is the Agency that the South Carolina Department of Social Services recommended. Actually, in my honest opinion, South Carolina has no freaking business recommending a private agency that discriminates. Had the family sought that agency out on their own, I would have no problem with the result. However, that is NOT what happened.
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Well, here is my thought. This private agency seems to be a storage facility for children who have not yet found an adoptive home. This agency has been sub-contracted and is receiving state money to hold onto the children until the foster parents give up the children to be adopted.

Now, presuming that their beliefs are totally sincere, I can actually understand religiously-based foster programs wanting to raise children under the rubric of a certain religion (say, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Protestantism) wanting to put the children in families of the same religious faith in order to keep religious communities intact. I do not find it particularly palatable in this case, but I can understand it. As long as the same accommodations are made for children of other religious communities who are orphaned, I am not given to taking up arms against them. Especially if there are other adoptive agencies this Jewish family can go to.

However, I am sometimes given to wonder if some of these agencies are just trying to keep the children from being adopted by making the restrictions as difficult and onerous as possible so that they can keep hold of these children as long as the foster child dollars keep flowing in.
 
She could have went to the STATE, but CHOSE not to.
 
danarhea said:
With all the controversy about whether homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children, something just as important has been missed. The issue IS special treatment for people who are Protestants, in violation of the Establishment Clause. Some states don't limit their bias against just gays. In South Carolina, Jews need not apply either. As a man with some Jewish blood (from my mother), this is an insult. For those who claim we need religion in government, my reply is "Whose religion? Yours only?". Until South Carolina, as well as some of the pompous assholes who claim to be born again (but are truly not), cleans up it's act, I will continue to see them for what they are...... The Unholy American Taliban. Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE. I'm listening, and loaded for bear, I await your reply.

I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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Red:
You know as well as I you're not going get one.
 
danarhea said:
Again, THIS is the Agency that the South Carolina Department of Social Services recommended. Actually, in my honest opinion, South Carolina has no freaking business recommending a private agency that discriminates. Had the family sought that agency out on their own, I would have no problem with the result. However, that is NOT what happened.
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That is a reasonable concern, danarhea. And I realize that this agency has now become the only private agency in the county where Mrs. Currie used to reside. However, I am not given to become outraged in this case, because the article is somewhat misleading and hyperbolic. After all, Mrs. Currie article title states: I was barred from becoming a foster parent because I am Jewish. However, in her biographic, she says she did indeed serve as a foster parent in South Carolina:

LYDIA CURRIE
spent a decade living in South Carolina, where she served as a foster parent. She now lives in Philadelphia, where she is a member of Congregation Kol Tzedek.
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So, by all accounts, Mrs. Currie and her husband suffered no harm. Merely an apparent inconvenience in her desire to engage in what she saw as her religious duty of charity and giving back to her community. Now, I do not like it when people make such elisions and misleading statements in titles in an attempt to prejudice me or to try to gin up my outrage. I find such weaselly language fundamentally dishonest, and makes me think the writer is selling something. Unless residents of South Carolina are prohibited from adopting across county lines (if someone knows, please tell me), as far as I am concerned, this is a tempest in a teapot.
 
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danarhea said:
Reading is fundamental, and it's obvious you did not read the article in context. Here is an excerpt.

"My husband and I initially reached out to the adoptions division of the state Department of Social Services office in Greenville County. However, the agency was backlogged, with expected wait times of about a year for a foster-adoptive license. The director suggested that we work with a private agency, Miracle Hill, which had an orphanage full of school-aged boys and would be able to move forward right away."

The "Christian" agency was who the State of South Carolina recommended, because they were backlogged and had no time for that family.

Do you "grok" it yet?

Pathetic.
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They didn't want to wait, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAD TO...and went to a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN AGENCY.


SAME AS THE PRIVATE, JEWISH AGENCIES:


Jewish Children's Adoption Network

Finding Jewish Homes for Jewish Children


Jewish Children's Adoption Network – Finding Jewish Homes for Jewish Children


"Grok it yet" ? Stop the duplicitous BULL****.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
If it is a private adoption agency AND the biological parent/s chose that agency, then I don't have a problem with it. If the STATE placed the child in that agency's custody to handle the adoption then that would be a problem.
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The (excellent) article makes clear that this 'private' adoption agency is in receipt of public funds. Which imo makes it discriminatory behaviour a matter of public concern.
 
Give me just one damn good reason why a loving Jewish family should not be allowed to adopt a child. Just ONE.
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If they're gay.
 
Sweden said:
The (excellent) article makes clear that this 'private' adoption agency is in receipt of public funds. Which imo makes it discriminatory behaviour a matter of public concern.
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Soo DOES THIS ONE, as they should. as they are performing a service that benefits the state, as is the Christian agency .


The left is ASTOUNDED that people get to PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION, AND HELP THE PUBLIC...



"CHRISTIANS NEED NOT APPLY".

Jewish Children's Adoption Network

Finding Jewish Homes for Jewish Children

Jewish Children's Adoption Network – Finding Jewish Homes for Jewish Children



Stop the duplicitous BULL****.
 
Grokmaster said:
Not for a PRIVATE, FAITH-BASED agency. There are JEWISH ADOPTION SERVICES, TOO.
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If this private agency receives state support, than it can't discriminate any more than the state can. There are Jewish adoption services, and if they receive government support, they can't discriminate either.
 
Some people seem to seek out controversy...the moral of this story, don't go to a Christian agency if you are Jewish...and vice versa...:roll:
 
Felis Leo said:
Well, here is my thought. This private agency seems to be a storage facility for children who have not yet found an adoptive home. This agency has been sub-contracted and is receiving state money to hold onto the children until the foster parents give up the children to be adopted.

Now, presuming that their beliefs are totally sincere, I can actually understand religiously-based foster programs wanting to raise children under the rubric of a certain religion (say, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Protestantism) wanting to put the children in families of the same religious faith in order to keep religious communities intact. I do not find it particularly palatable in this case, but I can understand it. As long as the same accommodations are made for children of other religious communities who are orphaned, I am not given to taking up arms against them. Especially if there are other adoptive agencies this Jewish family can go to.

However, I am sometimes given to wonder if some of these agencies are just trying to keep the children from being adopted by making the restrictions as difficult and onerous as possible so that they can keep hold of these children as long as the foster child dollars keep flowing in.
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Excellent point. You followed the money.
 
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