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Tulsi Smeared by Daily Kos

Grokmaster said:
She is the brightest presidential hopeful the democrats have....go figure.
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Prepared for another fracture of the dim party. They destroy their only chances.

In a way it's funny to see them eat themselves.
 
Obscurity said:
Your source disproves itself. Like I said.

Look at her voting record. That pretty much smashes the Kos and it's fake neocon assault.

I'm assuming you didn't even bother looking at the link I gave. Or, how about her 100% rating with the HRC?

I rest my case. You can support this behavior, but I do not. The Kos ought to be ashamed of itself.

Election 2020: Presidential Hopeful Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Rejects Endorsement By David Duke

Oh, no, the Kos didn't take back this claim.

Tulsi Gabbard apologizes for past anti-LGBT rhetoric - POLITICO

Oh look, she apologized. And proved she changed, with something that actually matters other than the feelings of elitist lgbt folks; her voting record.

Again. I rest my case. When Tucker is out speaking the truth, the fauxprog media machine is way off its ****ing rails.
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(chuckle)

You can rest all you want. You still haven't proven the Kos article wrong.
 
Why is this thread not in the Conspiracy Theory section of the forum?

First:
The OP-er writes:
"The cogs are in motion, smearing Tulsi and her campaign as being supported by the Russian troll machine."​
I just read the Daily Kos editorial. There's not a single mention of Russia in it, to say nothing of a "Russian troll machine." Neither is there any mention of Gabbard's sources of support.


Second:
The Daily Kos' writer has clearly endorsed one of Gabbard's upcoming opponents for the 2020 Democratic Congressional primary in Hawaii. That much is objectively and probatively evinced.

All the so-called reasons why that folks are positing are the stuff of conspiracy theories. Why can't it be that the Kos' writer sees Gabbard's behavior and doesn't care for it, and, in turn, is telling people so? That's the most obvious reason for endorsing her presumed opponent. Such is precisely the reason any other person endorses (or doesn't) "this or that" candidate for elected office.

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Third:
It'd be one thing if the "theories" about why the Kos writer prefers Kahele to Gabbard were coming from movers and shakers, key strategy decision makers in the Democratic Party, but nothing suggests that's the case. Given their preposterous, credulity-straining nature, and that they're supported with nothing even approximating a cogent case, let alone a cogent case, they are but conspiracy theories.​
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

You can rest all you want. You still haven't proven the Kos article wrong.
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Yes, I have, you simply haven't read the evidence.

Bye, Felicia.
 
Obscurity said:
Yes, I have, you simply haven't read the evidence.

Bye, Felicia.
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Sorry dude, but running away won't help. If you're going to assert something isn't correct, you have to prove it. Just saying so discredits you.
 
jet57 said:
Sorry dude, but running away won't help. If you're going to assert something isn't correct, you have to prove it. Just saying so discredits you.
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You didn't read my links or else you wouldn't be posting this BS.

What's discrediting here is you ignoring the evidence dismissing this absurd smear for what it is.

Last time, bye Felicia!
 
Rogue Valley said:
Many civilians in Syria tried "diplomacy" with Assad.

Human Rights Watch | If the Dead Could Speak: Mass Deaths and Torture in Syria’s Detention Facilities
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Yes, Assad is a horrible dude. Nobody is contesting that. That doesn't mean that we saber-rattle and beat the war drums; the Democratic party once understood this, or at least could be expected to be less trigger-happy than the Republicans. Where have we found ourselves when MSNBC reporters wax poetic about the deployment of missles, and when non-interventionalism is dropped by the 'left' party as soon as it's politically conveinant?

Seriously, these guys have all turned into lunatics.
 
Obscurity said:
You didn't read my links or else you wouldn't be posting this BS.

What's discrediting here is you ignoring the evidence dismissing this absurd smear for what it is.

Last time, bye Felicia!
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Oh I DID read it. The problem you have is that nowhere in anything you've posted is there proof that the Kos article is wrong or that it's some sort of smear.

Hello Felicia.
 
We can't be constantly at war. We outspend the next nearest competitors combined by a WIDE margin. This means we have the edge not only in manpower, but technology, comprehensive and in-depth warfighting tactics and strategy. Our military outclasses everyone else by so many orders of magnitude its not even funny. We have been in non-stop war since 11/9/2001, nearly TWENTY YEARS AGO. We should've got into Afghan, and got out. And left Iraq and Syria ALONE.

PERIOD.

I don't give a **** about her (likely made up by Corporate News Media) ties to Hindu or Pashtun nationalism or whatever the **** it was. I don't give a **** about her meeting with Assad (one of the most peaceful and coexisting attempts/acts made by a US official in DECADES).

Despite Russian interference, I always get a throb in my temple whenever I hear Corporatists pontificating about how beaten their brows are and how self-righteous and holier-than-thou they are over Russia. Yet MOST of these people were ON TV doing the EXACT SAME THING but saying the exact OPPOSITE when Clinton BOMBED THE UTTER LIVING **** **** OUT OF YUGOSLAVIA.
When Bush launched a HUNDREDS-OF-THOUSANDS-STRONG INVASION INTO A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. They covered up CHILDREN DYING BECAUSE THE ENTIRE ****ING CITY OF FLINT WAS POISONED BY THEIR ****ING GOVERNMENT and OBLAHMA didn't do DICK!

So, yeah, Assad probably did gas people he suspected of being Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists backed by the United States and Great Britain, like out of paranoia or delusions of grandeur.

But our government poisoned an entire city's water supply out of sheer apathy and stupidity. So, either way, if you're trying to do good (like Tulsi was in trying to find some kind of a middle ground in Syria) in a world full of cruelty, you're going to - naturally - look like the cruel one.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
Yes, Assad is a horrible dude. Nobody is contesting that. That doesn't mean that we saber-rattle and beat the war drums; the Democratic party once understood this, or at least could be expected to be less trigger-happy than the Republicans. Where have we found ourselves when MSNBC reporters wax poetic about the deployment of missles, and when non-interventionalism is dropped by the 'left' party as soon as it's politically conveinant?

Seriously, these guys have all turned into lunatics.
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The democratic party has become the neocon party. A candidate ran in 2016 on not ending the ME wars and lost. Trump ran on ending them, and won. Oh, and he didn't end them.

The dems are destined to lose if they pick a pro interventionist.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
Hah, MSNBC smearing her, is that actually supposed to be surprising? The outlet is more or less an arm of the Dem establishment, rather than simply being left-leaning.
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Jay Leno once referred to MSNBC as the headquarters of the Democratic Party.


It is below my dignity to ever watch it.
 
TheParser said:
Jay Leno once referred to MSNBC as the headquarters of the Democratic Party.


It is below my dignity to ever watch it.
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The hilarious part is MSNBC literally had the same show do an interview that directly refuted the nonsense they threw at Gabbard, and yet, here we are.

Sheer idiocy.
 
Obscurity said:
The democratic party has become the neocon party. A candidate ran in 2016 on not ending the ME wars and lost. Trump ran on ending them, and won. Oh, and he didn't end them.

The dems are destined to lose if they pick a pro interventionist.
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Honestly, I think what's going to make or break a Democrat is whether or not people think that any particular candidate's economic policies are benefecial to them, and everything else pales by comparrison.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
Honestly, I think what's going to make or break a Democrat is whether or not people think that any particular candidate's economic policies are benefecial to them, and everything else pales by comparrison.
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Frankly, I think if they embrace the policies that poll very high with all people they will win. The economics are important; healthcare is even more so.
 
As I say . . .

A Democratic primary is the only time Democrats can seem to detect any non-Fox media bias.
 
Obscurity said:
Frankly, I think if they embrace the policies that poll very high with all people they will win. The economics are important; healthcare is even more so.
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I consider healthcare and wealth inequality to be part of the same beast, but coming from a 'white trash' background, I don't think the poorest of the poor are thinking about healthcare first and foremost. Well, that's purely anecdotal. The concept of even having medical insurance at all is an alien concept to me, and I feel like a significant minimum-wage increase would effect my week-to-week life more.

However, I think that Med4All has the potential to either make or break the progressive movement. Eighty years or so ago, right-wing rhetoric decried a universal pension plan as socialist and unfeasible. The debate ended with the right-wing party moving to the left ecnomically. If Med4All is implemented, and then becomes popular, then it will pop right-wing rhetoric like a baloon. If it's implemented, and turns out to be disasterous, then that's the end of the post-2016 progressive movement.
 
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DH Kirkwood said:
Honestly, I think what's going to make or break a Democrat is whether or not people think that any particular candidate's economic policies are benefecial to them, and everything else pales by comparrison.
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Democrats have to be well..democrats. If you just compare Hillary and Trump and their views, Hillary comes off very mainstream republican sounding and Trump came off as an old school Gephardt style democrat with the tariffs and anti trade talk. I can remember as a kid democrats were more the working class party who supported union workers (not leaders) and wanted higher pay for Made in American workers. "Look for the Union Label" by the garment workers union would be racist and anti globalist by todays standards. Yet it was the rallying cry. Sad to say but watching Hillary attend high paying dinners on the coasts and bringing in Hollywood celebs to party with didnt do democrats any favors. Many in Ohio think of the party as one of the "elites" even as they run to the polls to re-elect democrat Sherrod Brown. What an odd disconnect.
 
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