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The Young Black Conservatives of Trump’s America

<alt>doxygen said:
Yes, it's now the Party of Trump. He owns it. It only took Trump 2 years. The GOP is wrapped in Trumpism. That means a lot of things, most of which I don't like. If you think those things are positive, go with it.

Are there other changes the GOP made that I'm missing?

The dems are changing as well. Sanders had an effect on them.
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Bold: Yes. The video in the OP shows it.
 
Obscurity said:
Sorry, but anything that includes Ms. Candace "Lying shill for fracking industry" Owens as a legitimate voice for young black conservatives is not worth my time.
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:roll: You were never going to watch the video to begin with. If you had then you would have found out that Ms. Owens was in the video on your own instead of waiting to pipe up until after someone already mentioned her.

And it doesn't matter whether YOU think she's a legitimate voice for black conservatives, it matters what black conservatives and those becoming disillusioned with the DNC that listen to her and agree with her think.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Don't get me wrong, the change is not going to be immediate. I don't expect the numbers to reflect that big of a change in 2020. But over time, in the long run, there IS going to be change. Unless something drastic happens social change is always slow.
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No offense intended but the GOP isn't real good at being on the right side of social change, which leads me to this thought. Politics for the younger generations is becoming more of a social issue than a fiscal issue or religious and there are a good bit of younger people who have been negatively effected by these school shootings. I don't see the GOP winning many of them over either.
 
Mycroft said:
I watched the video. I saw something in it that is very common to see here on these forums, and I don't think it has anything to do with attitudes of black people.

It was during that little get together between the two conservative women and the group of people who don't like Trump.

1. The two conservative women seemed to be concerned with "what Trump is doing" and they support what he is doing.

2. The others, especially that fellow with all the hair, seemed to be concerned more with "what Trump is saying" and they dislike Trump for that.

This is right in line with most of the people here on DP. You have those who are obsessed with what Trump is saying (or with what the media tells them he's saying) and those who are concerned with what Trump is actually doing and how it affects our country, our economy and people's lives.
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You know, this idea that it doesn’t matter what a President says is new. Trump supporters started spreading that nonsense when they realized it was way too much work defending every ridiculous thing Trump says. And I am sorry it is inconvenient, but we aren’t buying that line. Yeah, what a President does matters more, but what a President says matters a lot too.

I’ll buy that argument when it comes to congress members and judges. Yeah, all that matters with them in regards to my life is how they vote or how they rule. But the President is the leader of our country. He represents us on the global stage. He speaks for us as a nation. So yes, what the President says ABSOLUTELY matters. I have always believed that and I am not going to cut this particular President slack on that just because he doesn’t how to think before he speaks.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Bold: Yes. The video in the OP shows it.
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I'll wait for the dust to settle and see what the parties look like. I've been around long enough to know that what they say is meaningless. Look at what they do consistently instead.
 
Kal'Stang said:
:roll: You were never going to watch the video to begin with. If you had then you would have found out that Ms. Owens was in the video on your own instead of waiting to pipe up until after someone already mentioned her.

And it doesn't matter whether YOU think she's a legitimate voice for black conservatives, it matters what black conservatives and those becoming disillusioned with the DNC that listen to her and agree with her think.
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The issue is she is another corrupted, paid for voice, and she's repugnantly ignorant. Although, I guess you could say she is honest. She at least blatantly admits she doesn't give a **** about our environment.

And no, I won't watch the video if she is on the cover. I'll watch something that talks about blacks supporting trump, but won't listen to her malignant nonsense at all.
 
Mycroft said:
I watched the video. I saw something in it that is very common to see here on these forums, and I don't think it has anything to do with attitudes of black people.

It was during that little get together between the two conservative women and the group of people who don't like Trump.

1. The two conservative women seemed to be concerned with "what Trump is doing" and they support what he is doing.

2. The others, especially that fellow with all the hair, seemed to be concerned more with "what Trump is saying" and they dislike Trump for that.

This is right in line with most of the people here on DP. You have those who are obsessed with what Trump is saying (or with what the media tells them he's saying) and those who are concerned with what Trump is actually doing and how it affects our country, our economy and people's lives.
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Maybe I'm strange, but I object to a lot of Trump's actions. I knew within 2 months of his taking office that he would never filter his words - he isn't capable of it. I let what he says slide unless it turns into a market crash or something else concrete.
 
WCH said:
You mean he's helping take away the chains that bind our economy. Socialism doesn't work.
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No, he is fueling the economy by getting us much deeper into debt.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That's the thing, I don't think the GOP actually needs to change all that much. While yes, it has its problems, it's not near as big as those on the opposite side like to portray it as. As pointed out in the video by some, the DNC likes to portray Republicans as racist as a fear tactic. Note, I'm not saying that there are not racist Republicans, that would be stupid. But I also do not think its near as bad as the DNC likes to make it out to be.

People like to point out that there aren't that many black people voted into office on the Republican side but I find such statements to be dishonest in that they're not looking at obvious things. Like the fact that 90%+ of blacks always vote Democrat. That doesn't leave a lot of black people on the Republican side, much less qualified enough to hold office. Though I am seeing some political conservative black activists that, if they put their energy into it the right way, would get voted in.
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Why aren't there enough white people to vote for black republicans? I have no idea what your comment about being "qualified" even means.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You may not like her, but she is quite influential and there are those that ARE taking her seriously, including black people.
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No, I tend not to like people who's position is that Hitler wasn't all that bad, it's just when he brought his industrial murder outside the borders of Germany that it became a problem.
 
RAMOSS said:
No, he is fueling the economy by getting us much deeper into debt.
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This is the Borrow and Spend cycle that happens when Republicans actually have power. An economy on crack feels fine until you run out of crack.
 
Kal'Stang said:
But that just it, the Republican party is already changing. And yes, those blacks that were once DNC probably leave the DNC because they are disillusioned with the DNC. I mean, who wouldn't? 40 years of voting Democrat and in many respects (not all) blacks are actually worse off today than they were 40 years ago. In any case, by switching to the GOP more blacks are going to see more blacks on the GOP bandwagon. The more blacks on the GOP bandwagon the more will "convert" (for lack of a better term atm). The more blacks "convert", the more the GOP will change. Now, the reasons why those that "convert" will convert will no doubt vary widely, but seeing more blacks enter the GOP will make other blacks pause and reconsider things. The only way that the DNC will stop hemorrhaging black people is if they stop treating black people as nothing more than votes that need to be gotten during an election year and then forgotten until the next election year. Something that many black conservatives resent and despise.
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So first, black people have to "convert" to the republican party, THEN the republican party will change. I don't think it works like that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You may not like her, but she is quite influential and there are those that ARE taking her seriously, including black people.
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She is "quite influential" with whom? And how are you measuring that?
 
smallvoice said:
Lemme help you out here, just real quick: The vast majority of what any "progressive" says AND does is garbage. Because Progressives are garbage. The end. There, I fixed it for you.
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:lamo Who are you, and how did you destroy my argument so proficiently?
 
reflechissez said:
Why aren't there enough white people to vote for black republicans?
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That's the wrong question to ask. The right question to ask is why aren't there enough black people running on the Republican ticket to get voted for? As already noted, 90%+ of voting blacks vote Democrat. That doesn't leave a lot of black people to run as a Republican. Even less that are qualified to hold office.

There are roughly 47 million blacks in the US. More often than not the average amount of blacks that consistently vote on the Republican ticket is around 5%. That means roughly only 2.3 million blacks vote for Republicans consistently.

Total population of the US is over 300 million.

Amount of people in federal office is less than 600. (435+100=535)

Barely half of voting aged people voted in 2016. Midterm elections are normally lower on voter turnout. The US ranks 26 out of 32 OECD nations on voter turnout. U.S. trails most developed countries in voter turnout

The probability of a qualified black person running on the Republican ticket and winning when the vast majority are Democrats and voter turn out is so low is..well... extremely low. Especially when you consider that a lot of blacks that are Democrat voters turn on black conservatives in very nasty ways, as evidenced in the video in the OP. Not because of racism as is often claimed, but because a lack of qualified members running.

reflechissez said:
I have no idea what your comment about being "qualified" even means.
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What do you think "qualified" means? It means those that have the skills, and matching ideology to match what individual Republicans want.

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reflechissez said:
She is "quite influential" with whom? And how are you measuring that?
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Black conservatives and those blacks that are becoming disillusioned with the DNC. I measure it by listening and seeing black conservatives stepping out into the public sphere more and more often.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I thought this video was well worth the 30 minutes to watch. You don't see many in the media make any attempt at considering black conservatives view points. More often than not you'll see a lot of the media condemn and make fun of them whenever they're brought up. And although the reporter in this did give his own views he also didn't let it interfere with what the story was about. Something you don't see too often anymore.

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Candace Owens? The lady who thinks Hitler would have been an okay guy if he'd just kept it all at home?

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Candace Owens? The lady who thinks Hitler would have been an okay guy if he'd just kept it all at home?

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As I've already pointed out in this thread, a few times, she's in about 10 minutes of the video tops. Less than 5 minutes of an interview with her. The rest of the video focus's on other black conservatives.

People should also note that this video was done by Vice...not a conservative outlet by ANY means and who has criticized Ms. Owens multiple times.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
This is the Borrow and Spend cycle that happens when Republicans actually have power. An economy on crack feels fine until you run out of crack.
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Then, the democrats get into control, and the republican blame the deficit on the Democrats.
 
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