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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Any other time it would be easy to make it "not about Trump".
    Tell me how it is possible today when it is acknowledged, and MOST OF ALL BY Republicans, that Trump IS the Republican Party now.
    Sorry, your wish is impossible.

    Maybe in a couple of years after he's gone.
    It's quite easy. Just talk about what was said in the video.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Whoa wait a sec, which is it, "small part of the video and not discussed anywhere else" or "quite influential"?
    Can't be both and WE (you and I) both know she IS the face of the Trump Black Wing.

    It doesn't matter if she's only on ten minutes, she is who a lot of these folks are listening to when they're not listening to Trump.
    She IS what Trump hoped Omarosa was GOING to be, only he now realizes that it was better to outsource instead of hire from the Apprentice cast.
    Yes, it can be both. Not every black person changes their stance based on what Ms. Owens says. They can and do make up their own minds.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    debunked in the video? lol
    Yes. I know you don't like it, but it IS a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Propaganda videos are just that, propaganda videos.
    Huh...since when did Vice, a liberal media outlet, decide to get into propaganda videos for conservatives? Oh right....they haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    what % of the population does that 8% of votes in the last election represent? less than 1 percent like I said. Way less.
    How many transgenders are there that vote? I'd bet there are far less than 1% of the total population. Yet I bet that you're quite willing to consider that there are enough of them that they should damn well be listened to. Funny how you won't do the same here.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Hoo kay...you might not like me after this next comment...however Play It Safe Tuesday isn't until tomorrow, so here it goes...
    I don't "dislike" people for voicing their opinions. However, I might "dislike" a particular opinion being voiced.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Given the clear implications of racial disparity statistics, is the take away here that a black conservative is no more interested in fixing those disparity statistics than a white conservative?
    I can't speak for "Black Conservatives" because while I have some "Conservative" viewpoints I also have many "Liberal" viewpoints, all of which are based on my ideals regarding individual liberty, and individual responsibility. Hence my label of "Classical Liberal Sage" with the political lean of "Libertarian-Left."

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    You seem to think that acknowledging racial disparity is some kind of feel good exercise, or some kind of enjoyable condescension that leads to control. As if fixing these racial disparities wouldn't result in a massive drop in crime, a higher earning tax base potentially resulting in less taxes for everyone, a more educated group of voters, a lessening of the cost burden associated with prisons and social assistance programs, just to name a few... Yes, there is a direct benefit in the lives of marginalized people when the consequences of that marginalization is reduced or eliminated, but one shouldn't stop there, lest they miss the second win of the win / win here. There are plenty of reasons to be sick of the disparities, and what they bring, many self serving, even if mutually beneficial.
    Wrong. I am saying that many such "racial disparities" exist because of changes in moral and ethical values many Black Americans once had...and strove to maintain under REAL systems of Institutional and social racism. Some examples?

    Marriage and family, work ethics, drive to be educated, self-reliance, independence of spirit, self-motivation, endurance, perseverance; ALL of these were typical characteristics of most Black Americans striving under the bad old days. All that changed significantly after the implementation of Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society."

    Marriage dissolved under the double impetus of greater welfare benefits for un-wed mothers with multiple children, and men avoiding demands of child/family support as a working father.

    Children learned that they no longer had work hard and apply themselves in school. Just by "virtue" of being Black they could get into any college and have it paid for via grants and scholarships simply for being a minority, all thanks to Affirmative Action.

    Let's not forget otherwise unqualified applicant's getting jobs as educators, law enforcement personnel...hell just about anything also based on Affirmative Action bootstrap programs.

    NOTE: I am not saying Affirmative Action was entirely bad. But IMO it should have been tied to actual attainable pre-qualifications...like the BEST Black students should get the spots; the most skilled and qualified Black applicant's would jump to the front of the line. That would have compelled Blacks to maintain the old self-improvement models IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    If you're saying that your life has never been impacted by racism, I'm very happy to hear that.
    Your assuming this is very patronizing, as if any Black American who argues as I do must have never been "impacted by racism."

    I grew up during the end of Institutional racism and the transition into simple social racism during the 50's - 70's. It didn't all just "disappear" after SCOTUS ruled in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483, (1954). There were many more milestones to pass before we got to today.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    I'm not sure why you wouldn't be for acknowledging and addressing disparities of any kind faced by fellow citizens - a free nation should have eliminating disparities at it's core. I hope you'll believe me when I tell you I'm not assuming anything about you with this post - only expressing confusion. Perhaps I'm missing something.
    Red Herring response.

    There are many issues still to be resolved in ALL aspects of society, people are complex creatures and our interactions are just as complex. Not supporting socialism, progressivism, or any other "Collectivist" ideology does not mean one is blind to issues that still need to be resolved.
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    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't like using the label "black conservative" or any other variation of race or ideology on it. Unfortunately humans have a need to label things, all the way down to the smallest possible thing, and some times that is the only way to discuss certain things.
    Yeah I get that. Don't take this as a personal attack on you. Unlike 75% of the members, I am not interested in "smackdown".
    No matter how many times you hear me go, "Oh FFS Stang, you're full of crap on "xxxx" and here's why, there's always that next time where you flip it and prove I was full of crap on something, and for me that is a growth and learning experience.
    I'm seriously okay with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Don't really have anything to say for the rest of what you said.
    I don't really know what else TO say so I also don't know what to expect you to say either.
    I know you think Trump's jolly well okay mostly, and you know I think he's the scariest thing to ever happen to democracy in history.
    But there have always been black conservatives...they were conservative even before they were finally granted the vote.

    And...there will always be black conservatives who can get taken in by a phony con man just as easily as white ones can, no surprise there.

    A little bit of personal insight...

    JKkiss1.jpg

    That gentleman doing our wedding ceremony, did it because he's a very dear personal friend of ours, he wanted to do it.
    But he spends a lot more time as a choir director and host on a popular Baltimore radio talk show called Patrick Henderson's "Meet the People".
    It was such an honor that he wanted to do this for us.Does the name sound familiar? If you love either The Doobie Brothers or Leon Russell, it should.
    He toured with Leon all through the 1970's and part of the 80's and then he wrote "Real Love" for The Doobies and also toured extensively with Michael McDonald.

    Reverend Patrick Henderson is a GAY choir director, and a GAY reverend, and the reason he spends more time with the choir and less time doing weddings is because the black conservative community has a serious problem with the whole gay thing, ESPECIALLY GAY MARRIAGE.

    But here's the rub! They are often willing to "look the other way" when it comes to their choir directors, and that's because if you go into a lot of black churches, it's a damn good chance the choir director IS a gay man.
    And if you get the chance to sit down with a black gay choir director, most of them might be reticent to talk about the GLARING hypocrisy prevalent in most of the black churches on this issue, some of them might talk about it.

    Reverend Patrick Henderson will be MORE THAN happy to talk to you about it, you could probably even call up his radio show and talk about it.

    WOLB Talk 1010 AM Baltimore, call 410-481-1010 when they are on the air.
    Every Monday - 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM, and on Spirit 1400 Sundays 3:30 PM - 4:00 PM and also on Facebook Live Stream #MeetThePeople

    What I am getting at is, this is one of the important issues that drives the black conservative community.
    It is very uncomfortable to be anti-gay and black and to be a member of the Democratic Party.

    There isn't any REAL LOVE in the Democratic Party for black people who oppose marriage equality and who hate on gay folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Don't you call me a white nationalist you racist piece of crap.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes, I did answer your question that you didn't like it isn't my fault. And Conservative women are very different from Liberal women. However, I'm not a woman and do not presume to know them, I'll let others comment on that.
    Actually, you didn't. You also didn't answer why you can't elect black people or women. Republican don't want them.

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You can deny it if you want, but it is.



    Perhaps you can explain why more and more black conservatives are popping up now a days than in previous years?
    How many more are there?

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That's the thing, I don't think the GOP actually needs to change all that much. While yes, it has its problems, it's not near as big as those on the opposite side like to portray it as. As pointed out in the video by some, the DNC likes to portray Republicans as racist as a fear tactic.
    Donald Trump demonstrably disagrees with you.

    Trump's Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear

    With racist ad, Trump sinks to a new low


    He seems to think racism lies in the heart of a large percentage of Republicans. It worked well enough to get him elected POTUS. Do you really think you know his base better than he and his advisers do?
    Jeez, did you do really do something that stupid? You were as Dumb As Donald!

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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by Cramer View Post
    Does Shrewd equate to having multiple failed businesses, including bankrupting a casino?

    shrewd

    1.
    having or showing sharp powers of judgment; astute.
    Have you researched the casino business in that part of the world? His wasn't the only one.
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    Re: The Young Black Conservatives of Trumpís America

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    You called Trump a shrewd business man. We know for a fact he is not.

    He is a flimflam man who uses dirty money, unethical practices, bankruptcy and has screwed over thousands of honest hard working people in most everything he has ever touched.

    This is all documented.

    You may be drawn to unethical, immoral bitches, to each his own but to say Trump is a shrewd business man is ridiculously inaccurate to the point of being a flat out stupid thing to say.
    IOWs this is all way above your job grade.
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