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    Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?

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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    Do you mean based upon actual statistics?

    We use statistical race demographics all the time; those are not racist....what people choose to do with those statistics can be racist.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    Yes, by definition that is racist.

    Also, I don't think races as a whole deserve credit or blame for what previous generations have done. I didn't discover the ideas and inventions of previous white people and I didn't own slaves or commit genocide on natives.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    There is only one race, the human race.

    The concept of individual race is a myth created by European Imperialist Colonists to justify and rationalize their evil subjugation of other peoples as they invade their lands and stole their resources while destroying their civilizations and enslaving them. No sane member of this forum will play your bigoted game.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    //// arguing that no one race is 'superior' to another is like saying..........////......Depends on one's definition of racial superiority and what makes any given race 'superior' to any other given race.

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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    Ranking or comparing races is racial, absolutely, but not necessarily racist.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied. Out of the billions of people that have lived throughout history, across countless different races and cultures, it is impossible to say that they have all contributed equally down the middle. That's like saying that if you put 2 fighters against each other for hundreds of years, they would each land the exact same number of blows. It's statistically improbable. The game has been going on for so long that one particular race must have surpassed another eventually.

    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another. It's just wrong. Some races are better than others at certain things. And just like in every other area of life, like sport, academia etc, rankings matter. If you destroy rankings, you destroy the incentive for people to get better. In fact, you also destroy the incentive for people to avoid being ****ty people. Because who cares - nobody's keeping score!

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword. Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    For any number of social or economic reasons we will see statistics that tend to break things down by race as well as other factors, that is not racist.

    The issue of stats by race being racist comes down to reason for the stat and conclusions drawn from it.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    There is only one race, the human race
    That would be species.
    "Race" simply means "group of same descent". It was only in the 1800s the word started being associated with supremacist anthropology and the re-adoption of some very old Indo-European ideals of "purity of blood". Barely a hundred years earlier, in the late 1600s, you would have contemporary writers talking about the Danish and Swedish "races" (in regards to various wars fought in Scandinavia), although their DNA was practically identical.

    Our current race definition is just a level of tribalism that went from celebrating the supremacy of your local tribe to a more universal tribe.
    Which, ironically or not, is also what you are doing by saying there is only one race, the Human race. But while I tend to agree with the sentiment, I also think one should be aware of the relevant historicity of the term.
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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In my view, some races have done more for the world than others. This can't be denied.
    Only in the same way as some hair colours, some heights, some hemispheres, some genders, some languages… You could probably pick pretty much any identifiable characteristic of people and there will be some inevitably imbalance in how people with that characteristics have impacted the history of the world. Alone, those measures are meaningless though. You’d need to dig in to the reasons, background and vast range of inter-related factors to establishing anything of significance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    While every race does and should count as equal, arguing that no one race is superior to another is like saying that no one athlete is superior to another.
    I would suggest a different approach to that statement which I think offers much more clarity to the overall questions you’re posing; No individual should be treated differently on the basis of their (perceived) race alone. It doesn’t matter if one race does tend to excel in a specific area, that will only ever be a trend and however significant that trend might be, it’s wrong to presume it of someone based on their race (whether that presumption would be in their favour or not). The key is differentiating between racial trends and individual specifics (a principle that extends well beyond just race).

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Do you think it's racist to compare or rank races, and if so do you think there are repercussions of banning such ideas?
    Racism is ultimately about intend, not outcome (though unintended outcome can be relevant too). It would be racist to rank races if it’s done for racist reasons (even subconsciously). That said, I can’t think of any legitimate reasons to actually rank races generically. That feels distinct from identifying and seeking to understand measured trends in outcomes (e.g. different poverty rates, areas of athletic prowess, rate of specific illnesses etc.).

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    Re: Do you think it's racist to rank or compare races?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post

    I think it's important to have a civil, open discussion about this without cries of racism or supremacy or any other buzzword.



    1. This is the elephant in the (American) room.

    2. We are all expected to ignore the elephant.

    3. Websites (Facebook, Twitter, discussion forums, etc.) expect posters to follow my point No. 2.

    4. This is such a hurtful topic that it can NEVER be discussed in a "civil" way.

    5. I look forward to reading and contributing to threads that you start on other topics.



    Best wishes!

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