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    Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    The level of hubris is inexplicable. Northam is refusing to leave and in an attempt to kick off his 3-year apology and redemption tour, he sat down with Gayle King-a black woman- and discussed Virginia's history of "indentured servitude".

    Ralph Northam interview: Virginia governor tells Gayle King "I'm not going anywhere" in face of calls to resign - CBS News

    GOV. RALPH NORTHAM: Well it has been a difficult week. And you know if you look at Virginia's history we are now at the 400 year anniversary, just 90 miles from here in 1619. The first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Old Point Comfort what we call now Fort Monroe and while--

    GAYLE KING: Also known as slavery.

    GAYLE KING: And why you think you still deserve this job and so many people are calling for you to step down?

    GOV. RALPH NORTHAM: Well again we- we have worked very hard. We've had a good first year. And and I'm a leader. I've been in some very difficult situations. Life and death situations taking care of sick children. And right now--

    GAYLE KING: Because you're a doctor, yes?

    GOV. RALPH NORTHAM: --right now, Virginia needs someone that can heal. There's no better person to do that than a doctor. Virginia also needs someone who is strong, who has empathy, who has courage and who has a moral compass. And that's why I'm not going anywhere. I have learned from this. I have a lot more to learn. But we're in a unique opportunity now. Again the 400 year anniversary of the history whether it be good or bad in Virginia to really make some impactful changes--

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Indentured servitude and slavery were two different things. You would think someone in the kind of trouble he is in would be more careful in his word choice.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Indentured servitude and slavery were two different things. You would think someone in the kind of trouble he is in would be more careful in his word choice.
    I love Gayle King's response.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Indentured servitude and slavery were two different things. You would think someone in the kind of trouble he is in would be more careful in his word choice.
    i agree.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Indentured servitude and slavery were two different things. You would think someone in the kind of trouble he is in would be more careful in his word choice.
    Technically he was correct, the original Africans brought over in 1619 were indentured servants and were later freed.

    Edit: Slavery didn't begin until a couple decades after.
    Last edited by Nap; 02-10-19 at 02:29 PM.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Northam just keeps shoving his foot deeper down his own throat. He has become a terrible embarrassment to my adopted home state of Virginia.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Indentured servitude and slavery were two different things. You would think someone in the kind of trouble he is in would be more careful in his word choice.
    That ship sailed quite a while ago.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nap View Post
    Technically he was correct, the original Africans brought over in 1619 were indentured servants and were later freed.

    Edit: Slavery didn't begin until a couple decades after.
    Northam didn't seem to realize that distinction because when the reported said "also known as slavery" he replied "yes". He can't afford to be lackadaisical in his word choice right now.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nap View Post
    Technically he was correct, the original Africans brought over in 1619 were indentured servants and were later freed.

    Edit: Slavery didn't begin until a couple decades after.
    Yeah, that was my first thought. He was actually right there. Not that it really mattered; God knows what he thought his point was with that.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"
    OMG! Talk about putting lipstick on a pig! The man actually referred to slavery as "indentured servitude." WTH was he thinking?

    Colonial America had both, and the two statuses were not at all identical. Under indentured servitude, one's term of servitude lawfully and in both effect and substance ended when one's debt (hence the word "indenture") had, by one's labor or otherwise, been paid. Enslaved individuals, on the other hand, saw their term of servitude end only upon (1) their death, (2) their master's emancipatory magnanimity, or (3) their successfully absconding.

    Where I was previously of a mind to give Northam a chance to demonstrate he's not still governed in part by provincial views and poor judgement, I see now that he remains thus hobbled. He needs to go.


    ETA/Clarification:
    The distinction between indentured servitude and slavery is middle school to 9th grade fodder.

    That said, the original Blacks who first came to VA with their wealthy masters were technically indentured servants; however, that status soon ended for Blacks with the passage of slave laws.
    Last edited by Xelor; 02-10-19 at 02:51 PM.

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