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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He didn't. Gayle King did.
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    If you read his comments, you would realize he didn't refer to slavery as indentured servitude. It was Gayle King that conflated the two.
    I didn't read his comments. I listened to and watched him utter them in the video.

    Northam referred to Blacks who arrived in 1619 as "indentured servants." Ms. King interjected, "Also known as slavery." (Poor diction because people weren't known as "slavery," they were known as "slaves.") The governor immediately responded verbally and nodded, "Yes."

    Northam's "yes" indicated he acceded to and accepted the legitimacy of the so-called (by you) conflation as being equivalent to his original diction, "indentured servants." Northam didn't have to do that. He could have, by stating something having to do with VA's slavery laws not having been enacted until 1661, clarified and highlighted the context of his "indentured servitude" classification, but he didn't.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Slavery and indentured servitude were not the same but it hardly matters what he said. The question is whether he's staying or going.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    I didn't read his comments. I listened to and watched him utter them in the video.

    Northam referred to Blacks who arrived in 1619 as "indentured servants." Ms. King said "also known as slavery." (Poor diction because people weren't known as "slavery," they were known as "slaves.") The governor immediately responded verbally and nodded, "Yes."

    Northam's "yes" indicated he acceded to and accepted the legitimacy of the so-called (by you) conflation as being equivalent to his original diction, "indentured servants." Northam didn't have to do that. He could have, by stating something having to do with VA's slavery laws not having been enacted until 1661, clarified and highlighted the context of his "indentured servitude" classification, but he didn't.
    How well do you think it would have went if he were to correct her response rather than simply let it go? The last thing he wanted after the blackface debacle was an argument on the origins of slavery with a black woman broadcasted on national TV.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Northam didn't seem to realize that distinction because when the reported said "also known as slavery" he replied "yes". He can't afford to be lackadaisical in his word choice right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Not being careful in his word choice is what got him where he stands now.
    Not being careful in his costumes too.

    Northam might be correct about his use of the words, "indentured servitude", but what will the general public hear? The vast majority who've heard no such thing. They'll believe he just made another mistake by downplaying slavery which will lower his approval rating even more (it sank 41 points in two days already).

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    ...Where I was previously of a mind to give Northam a chance to demonstrate he's not still governed in part by provincial views and poor judgement, I see now that he remains thus hobbled. He needs to go.
    I don't believe it's Northam's decision to make. If the Dem politicians refuse to work or corroperate with him, which every one I've heard say, he'll be forced out.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Well of course Northam isn't going anywhere. The heat is now mysteriously off of him, and on two others.

    Personally, I think all three of them should be run out of Virginia on a rail.




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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well of course Northam isn't going anywhere. The heat is now mysteriously off of him, and on two others.

    Personally, I think all three of them should be run out of Virginia on a rail.
    I'm sure if it was a Repub, conservatives would be demanding irrefutable proof.

    But if the accuations of rape can be even remotely collaborated, regardless of what proof a trial would require, I couldn''t agree more...
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    Not being careful in his costumes too.

    Northam might be correct about his use of the words, "indentured servitude", but what will the general public hear? The vast majority who've heard no such thing. They'll believe he just made another mistake by downplaying slavery which will lower his approval rating even more (it sank 41 points in two days already).



    I don't believe it's Northam's decision to make. If the Dem politicians refuse to work or corroperate with him, which every one I've heard say, he'll be forced out.
    Terrible thing to downplay, consider the horrific and brutal conditions the people had to endure, with many dying.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nap View Post
    How well do you think it would have went if he were to correct her response rather than simply let it go? The last thing he wanted after the blackface debacle was an argument on the origins of slavery with a black woman broadcasted on national TV.

    • I can't say "how well it'd have gone" were he to have disallowed her recasting of the denotation of his diction.
    • I know there's nothing argue as goes the legal status of VA Blacks in 1619; that is a point of historical fact.
    • I know that public speakers are well advised to choose precise and factually and contextually accurate diction, and having so done, not to allow others to revise the denotation or connotation one had in mind when choosing and uttering that diction. Allowing exactly that is what Northam did, which is his prerogative to do, but his having allowed her to do that, allowing her to, in effect, put words in his mouth, makes the words she put there become his.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    ...I don't believe it's Northam's decision to make. If the Dem politicians refuse to work or corroperate with him, which every one I've heard say, he'll be forced out.
    That may be, but that route to the end of his governorship is more fraught, for all parties involved, than is his simply resigning.
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