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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Technically he was correct, the original Africans brought over in 1619 were indentured servants and were later freed.

    Edit: Slavery didn't begin until a couple decades after.




    It is just this kind of "technicality" that becomes the genesis of tropes.

    Had outright slavery not ensued, two decades of Indentured servitude would mean something. Instead, it just greased the wheels for outright slavery and does not change the fact that many of the "indentured servants that were dropped off in Virginia were stolen from slave ships by English privateers raiding slave ships under license from the English Crown and dropping them in the Colonies. Ultimately, it simply encouraged and led to the Colonials addiction to Slave Labor.

    Another Southern Trope that covers virtually the entire Confederacy regards the Civil War: "The Civil War was fought over states rights".

    Ah-huh!
    I just don't think he meant anything by it and it's factually true. It's like now everything he says and does is analyzed for any evidence of racism.

    Consider someone like H.W. Bush. He was AGAINST desegregation once upon a time. It seems the video I saw of him denouncing desegregation has been scrubbed from the Internet. My point is there are a lot of White people who have changed their views over the years. Most older Whites have some racially insensitive moment in their history even if they were sympathetic to the Civil Rights cause. And when you go further back, someone like Abraham Lincoln would be considered a racist but we cut him some slack considering the times he lived in. The 1980's were a different time regarding both race and sexual assault (date rape was a new concept). We need to move forward and not needlessly dwell in the past.

    People change.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    I just don't think he meant anything by it and it's factually true. It's like now everything he says and does is analyzed for any evidence of racism.

    Consider someone like H.W. Bush. He was AGAINST desegregation once upon a time. It seems the video I saw of him denouncing desegregation has been scrubbed from the Internet. My point is there are a lot of White people who have changed their views over the years. Most older Whites have some racially insensitive moment in their history even if they were sympathetic to the Civil Rights cause. And when you go further back, someone like Abraham Lincoln would be considered a racist but we cut him some slack considering the times he lived in. The 1980's were a different time regarding both race and sexual assault (date rape was a new concept). We need to move forward and not needlessly dwell in the past.

    People change.
    Does not matter what he meant. Northam was repeating a trope that has been taught to Virginia's children since forever as a means to spin Virginia's and the South's involvement in Slavery. "The first Africans brought to the colonies were accepted as Indentured Servants" is simply a neat dodge. Northam is old enough to know the actual truth of Virginia's and the South's and by extension the entire country's engagement in Slavery. For Northam to be repeating such s trope at his age is either incredibly ignorant in 2019 or massively unscrupulous. Take your pick. Neither speaks well for the Gov of Virginia. Its Northam himself that should have left something in the past that belongs in the past as he continues to repeat an ancient Southern Trope in 2019 at 55 years of age. Gimme' a break with that.

    Its the people of Virginia that have to decide what to do and I have empathy for them choosing the lessor of two evils. Its their choice to make. But if Northam falls in my sights as a National Candidate for office, he will have a hard time with me.

    In my case, I treat incredible ignorance and massive unscrupulousness in political figures with equal distain. I have grown to have as little patience with the one as with the other.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    I just don't think he meant anything by it and it's factually true. It's like now everything he says and does is analyzed for any evidence of racism.
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    thats exactly how Leftists act towards any hint of ANYTHING even remotely possible to be racism from the right. we don't even have to have on blackface and stand next to KKK members for it either.

    this is the new paradigm you guys have created. destroy the right... everyone you hate there and it still won't end because you will have created the monster, and it WILL eat you alive afterwards.

    mark my words.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And the House Dems have 2 Jew-hating Muslims (one with a Committee seat) and a pedo (that Obama was more then happy to campaign for). Then we have the Minnesota AG (Keith Ellison) who beats women. Then we have "Pay To Play"/tax dodger Prickster, Gov of Illinois.
    You know, all one of the the "Jew-hating Muslims" said was that there are lobbyists who support Israel. I support Israel and I even agree with that. You're making **** up, dude.
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Does not matter what he meant. Northam was repeating a trope that has been taught to Virginia's children since forever as a means to spin Virginia's and the South's involvement in Slavery.
    What he meant should matter. Northam grew up in the time of desegregation and while other White familes fled to all White schools his family kept him in. He was in a basketball team that was mostly Black. He has a long history of supporting integration. His father was known as someone who would not tolerate racial epithets. He's one of the good guys.

    For the past 13 years, Northam has attended First Baptist Church of Capeville, a largely African American congregation about 40 miles down the Shore from Onancock. Northam approached the pastor there, the Rev. Kelvin Jones, shortly before making his first run for a state Senate seat.

    “We sat down as two men, one who happened to be black and one who happened to be white,” Jones recalled.

    Since then, Northam has been a steady and devoted presence, Jones said. He and his wife are among a handful of white families in the church.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.38776f8a7a25

    Are we to believe he's a racist who attends a mostly Black church? I hope you're able to read the Washington Post story. I only just found it.

    What's happening is awful. He's the opposite of a racist.

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    you're making **** up, dude.
    prove it

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    What he meant should matter. Northam grew up in the time of desegregation and while other White familes fled to all White schools his family kept him in. He was in a basketball team that was mostly Black. He has a long history of supporting integration. His father was known as someone who would not tolerate racial epithets. He's one of the good guys.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.38776f8a7a25

    Are we to believe he's a racist who attends a mostly Black church? I hope you're able to read the Washington Post story. I only just found it.

    What's happening is awful. He's the opposite of a racist.
    No, we are to believe he is ignorant as a tree stump at age 59 and in 2019. Either that or he is massively unscrupulous. I just don't care which one as I have stated before. This guy steps on more land minds in a week than you would think possible. Is he out there burying them and then stepping in them?

    That said, the citizens of Virginia have been put in a really tough spot and are being offered a whole host of unacceptable alternatives FOR THEM, one of which is massively unacceptable. So I really have no qualms with what they are doing in Virginia. Its their decision to make. However Northam to me represents one of the larger problems we have in this country. Northam cannot even figure out that he is no longer functioning in the role of a physician and is exclusively now a politician and worse can't figure it out at age 59! How far down the rathole have we gone to have changed the standards such that Northam can be this ignorant, oblivious and juvenile at age 59 and Gov. of Virginia and Donald BamBam Trump can be President at age 72 and both be defended for it.

    To be specific, I am not comparing Northam to Trump. But the same issues have taken us to a very similar dynamic that is driving our quality of our leadership and our politics.

    I don't really care where Northam's parents kept him or moved him to or educated him. He obviously not only learned the standard Southern tropes about Slavery but didn't question them in a state and in a time when he should have and is still oblivious enough to repeat them in 2019! The Northam argument is the same as Turmpets make for Trump: "I know, he is an idiot, but I like his policies". Yea sure you do until they blow up in your face. Will you blame yourself then? I doubt it.

    We have a citizenry that does not know the first thing about this country, its history, its form of government, would not know leadership if it hit them over the head with a 2x4 and frankly, on balance does not much care as long as they have their remote, an easy chair and a bowl of popcorn. We have political leadership that on the whole has gone from circling the drain to wallowing in the sewage. How does eliminating Civics lessons K-12 look now?
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    No, we are to believe he is ignorant as a tree stump at age 59 and in 2019. Either that or he is massively unscrupulous. I just don't care which one as I have stated before. This guy steps on more land minds in a week than you would think possible. Is he out there burying them and then stepping in them?

    That said, the citizens of Virginia have been put in a really tough spot and are being offered a whole host of unacceptable alternatives FOR THEM, one of which is massively unacceptable. So I really have no qualms with what they are doing in Virginia. Its their decision to make. However Northam to me represents one of the larger problems we have in this country. Northam cannot even figure out that he is no longer functioning in the role of a physician and is exclusively now a politician and worse can't figure it out at age 59! How far down the rathole have we gone to have changed the standards such that Northam can be this ignorant, oblivious and juvenile at age 59 and Gov. of Virginia and Donald BamBam Trump can be President at age 72 and both be defended for it.

    To be specific, I am not comparing Northam to Trump. But the same issues have taken us to a very similar dynamic that is driving our quality of our leadership and our politics.

    I don't really care where Northam's parents kept him or moved him to or educated him. He obviously not only learned the standard Southern tropes about Slavery but didn't question them in a state and in a time when he should have and is still oblivious enough to repeat them in 2019! The Northam argument is the same as Turmpets make for Trump: "I know, he is an idiot, but I like his policies". Yea sure you do until they blow up in your face. Will you blame yourself then? I doubt it.

    We have a citizenry that does not know the first thing about this country, its history, its form of government, would not know leadership if it hit them over the head with a 2x4 and frankly, on balance does not much care as long as they have their remote, an easy chair and a bowl of popcorn. We have political leadership that on the whole has gone from circling the drain to wallowing in the sewage. How does eliminating Civics lessons K-12 look now?
    But he's not a racist. Does that not matter anymore?

    It's impossible to compare Northam to Trump. Can you imagine if Trump was a long time member of a mostly African American church? Can you imagine if his church members supported him and agreed he wasn't racist?

    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam’s predominantly black church wants him to have ‘another chance’ after blackface controversy

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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    But he's not a racist. Does that not matter anymore?...
    How do you know this?
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    Re: Northam: "I'm not going anywhere". Calls slaves, "indentured servants"

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    How do you know this?
    I don't but the mostly Black church he belongs to seems to think he's not racist. I'm inclined to believe them over some 35-year-old picture.

    Have you ever been to a Black church? It would be sheer torture for a racist.

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