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Why Socialism Fails

Moderate Right said:
Well, The US economy is 77 times greater than Finland and similar times greater than your other so called European socialist countries. There's a reason for that, our system works better than theirs does.
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Well, at least your point fails spectacularly. If you're gonna be wrong, may as well be completely ****ing off base and not just a little.

While your point is factually accurate, it belays the point that the population of the United States is also 77 times larger than that of Finland, meaning that per capita, thier system is completely on par with ours....or at least it is if you take out the better health outcomes and better wealth parity and **** like that. If you factor those things in, you gotta ask how they manage to do those things with the same per capita income we have.
 
smallvoice said:
Well isn't that high and mighty of you? All I said was for you to put your money where your mouth is.
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You incorrectly claimed this was all about class envy. How does that make me high and mighty, or require me to put my money anywhere you dictate?

It's not about class envy, get over it. You're wrong.

That shut you up about how much money you make, but if you are so fired up about stealing from those who earned it, turn yourself in to the police for Grand Larceny. Now go away.
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You said it was class envy, I simply told you why it wasn't in my case. That you are pleading with me to "shut up and go away whhhahhaahh im a baby!!", is cute.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Well, at least your point fails spectacularly. If you're gonna be wrong, may as well be completely ****ing off base and not just a little.

While your point is factually accurate, it belays the point that the population of the United States is also 77 times larger than that of Finland, meaning that per capita, thier system is completely on par with ours....or at least it is if you take out the better health outcomes and better wealth parity and **** like that. If you factor those things in, you gotta ask how they manage to do those things with the same per capita income we have.
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Oh. I see now. Your side says their system is better and yet you admit in your post that both countries are on par. So, I guess their system really isn't better after all.
 
Phys251 said:
Could the article be any more obvious that it doesn't have the slightest clue about the difference between authoritarian socialism and democratic socialism? This isn't rocket science. This is a distinction that a child can learn.
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ridiculous, socialism is socialism. Ever notice how all dictatorial types of government always contain a term such as, ( Democratic, National, Republic, Peoples,) A rose by any other name is still a rose. Socialism is some small group running everthing and dictating the means of production and dividing it up according to those in charge. No work ethic, no motivation to achieve because you only get what eht government says you get, you only own what they determine.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, The US economy is 77 times greater than Finland and similar times greater than your other so called European socialist countries. There's a reason for that, our system works better than theirs does.
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(psst, per capita)
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh. I see now. Your side says their system is better and yet you admit in your post that both countries are on par. So, I guess their system really isn't better after all.
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Way to completely miss the point.

Yes, they are on par income wise. They are not on par for all of those other things. Do try to pay attention.
 
Lutherf said:
I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that Democratic Socialism is merely a stepping stone toward Authoritarian Socialism which, ultimately, is a stem toward outright Communism. The state constantly requires more and more authority to implement and ENFORCE their plans for a "better, healthier society".
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So any day now, we can expect Stalin to emerge in Scandinavia?
 
Moderate Right said:
Bernie just invented the term Democratic Socialism in 2016 and people really still don't know what it means. Don't they have elections in Venezuela? So, I guess that is Democratic Socialism.
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Unless I miss your point, what are you talking about? The term has been around for a long time.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Way to completely miss the point.

Yes, they are on par income wise. They are not on par for all of those other things. Do try to pay attention.
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The US is 77 times better than Finland and those other places because we are 77 times better. We are where we are, they aren't. We could crush them like a peanut. They wouldn't even be there at all if it wasn't for the US beating Hitler and the US paying for their defenses through NATO. If we cut them off they would be toast, Russian toast. They sponge off of our good will and use the savings for their socialist policies.
 
veritas1 said:
The top 1% is already paying 40% of the taxes. The top 20% pays 87%. The bottom 45% pay nothing. So, the answer we're supposed to believe will solve the problem is to tax the top more, funnel it through government and hope that somehow improves the lot of the bottom 45%.
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Are you really telling me you think tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is the best use fo that money to assist the middle class? It's so stupid it hurts.
You think it making it's way through government is such fantasy, but you're entirely willing to magically funnel it to already wealthy individuals and corporations and pray for some trickle down?
Where do you think money we give to the middle class goes veritas? Into socialism's black hole of hell, or maybe it gets spent back into the economy at a higher multiplier than wealthy getting a tax cut?

Any moves toward a centralized economy will end in disaster. That I DO know.
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Hyperbolic nonsense that's not even relevant.
 
Nickyjo said:
Unless I miss your point, what are you talking about? The term has been around for a long time.
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The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
 
zimmer said:
It’s socialism.

Socialism fails everywhere. Trying to polish the turd by claiming it’s Democratic is laughable.

Socialism is tyrannical.
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I drive down the socialist interstate in my socialist regulated car to see my doctor who is paid by socialist Medicare to give me medication regulated by the socialist FDA, and on the way I stop at the socialist post office to pick up my socialist social security check. All these nice polished turds maintained in a democracy.
 
Moderate Right said:
The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
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Whah? I was commenting on your saying Bernie invented the term in 2016, not arguing one way or another.
 
Moderate Right said:
The US is 77 times better than Finland and those other places because we are 77 times better. We are where we are, they aren't. We could crush them like a peanut. They wouldn't even be there at all if it wasn't for the US beating Hitler and the US paying for their defenses through NATO. If we cut them off they would be toast, Russian toast. They sponge off of our good will and use the savings for their socialist policies.
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I get it....numbers are hard.

For us to be so much better, its odd that for every person in thier country, they have exactly the same number of dollars as every person in our country. Numerically, we are not 77 times better than they are. We are just 77 times larger than they are.
 
Moderate Right said:
The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
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Per capita is how people who realize that a country with 5 million people isn't going to generate as much revenue as a nation with 330 million do things. Ignoring simple statistical facts isn't going to make your point any more valid. It just makes you look foolish.
 
Moderate Right said:
The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
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Oh, and heres another question for ya......what would qualify as "in our GDP neighborhood"? I just want to know exactly how you plan on cherrypicking to make your point.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Insurance is primarily to protect assets and most of those now without it have few assets to protect mostly because they also have very low incomes. The basic idea behind UHC is that some folks (above some income level?) should pay some (as yet unstated) percentage of their income so that all (US residents?) are insured by a single payer (the federal government). Bills to enact such a UHC system should be written so that their specifics may be evaluated and discussed.
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Health insurance is to protect your most important asset: your life. One way or another those who are above certain income levels pay so that everyone benefits.
 
devildavid said:
Health insurance is to protect your most important asset: your life. One way or another those who are above certain income levels pay so that everyone benefits.
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I look at it more like credit risks and interest rates - the riskier the loan then the higher the interest rate charged by the lender for that type of loan becomes. Not necessarily based on any individual's personal risk (credit rating or income level) but on the default rate of the aggregate pool of borrowers - those who do repay on time with interest (help) cover those who do not. Having insurance which covers 80% after a $5K deductible may be a great help to the care provider but if the total bill is $105K then I could no more pay my $25K share than the entire $105K without being bankrupt.
 
Moderate Right said:
The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
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So the fact that Sweden 10-plus million people has an economy smaller than the US with 300-plus million is irrelevant to why they are not in our “GPD neighborhood.” Of course China’s population is beside the point as well. If I close one eye and squint real hard with the other, I might be able to see your point... Ah, got it... if only Swedes would only work harder and get rid of their government benefits they would close the gap.
 
Mach said:
You incorrectly claimed this was all about class envy. How does that make me high and mighty, or require me to put my money anywhere you dictate?

It's not about class envy, get over it. You're wrong.


You said it was class envy, I simply told you why it wasn't in my case. That you are pleading with me to "shut up and go away whhhahhaahh im a baby!!", is cute.
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Sorry, your posts do not back up your claim of "No class envy".
 
Moderate Right said:
The US has the largest economy in the world. Only China is close. Name one Democratic Socialist country that is even in our GDP neighborhood and don't give me any per capita crap.
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This argument is akin to saying that if two people both work 40 hours in a week, it doesn't matter how much each one makes on an hourly basis.

We both know that is a stupid argument to try to make.
 
veritas1 said:
Norway, Sweden and Denmark are capitalist countries despite what the left says. They are also not very useful as comparisons to the US due to population size, etc. Your assumptions that we will experience "more wealth parity, less poverty, etc, etc," are also unproven claims and where central planning has been tried, it is an abject failure. Look at Venezuela. Nobody is claiming that it is a Communist country, however, it tried to employ many of the same concepts the left champions now. The only thing we will have, as Churchill said, is "the equal sharing of misery".
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That is the point. There are no socialist countries that are not autocratic. Conservative criticism of Scandinavian countries as "socialist" is routine and also incorrect. A false flag we see waved here all the time.
 
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