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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    Because the point of it escapes you, doesn't make it a bad article. The point is that central planning will fail, period. Yet, the left wants as much central planning as possible.
    That strawman is old and worn out.

    You see the problem you've made for yourself here? Damning socialism/communism/central planning or whatever is all fine and dandy, at least until the middle gets squeezed to death by YOUR alternative -> our rigged capitalism. Once that happens, people might start (maybe mistakenly) thinking that the alternatives you've been damning for 75 years might be better.
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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    How do you know we don't need more of it? Or less of it? We needed more of it years back, we've needed more as our economy and knowledge has grown, what magical fairy whispered into your ear this absolutist "we don't need MORE!" nonsense to you? Hannity? Rush? You do know they are rich celebrities as a result of telling you bull**** right?
    So, you think the government should run the entire healthcare system? How about the energy industry? Once they get those, where will it stop? History should tell you. BTW, Hannity and Rush are rich for the same reason that liberals with TV shows are rich, which is that they live in a free market capitalist system. What we need is MORE capitalism, more freedom, more businesses, more commerce, and more wealth creation because by doing that, you lift up the greatest number. Only a wealthy country can help its poor citizens. A poor one cannot and socialism will inevitably lead to making us poorer.

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    That strawman is old and worn out.

    You see the problem you've made for yourself here? Damning socialism/communism/central planning or whatever is all fine and dandy, at least until the middle gets squeezed to death by YOUR alternative -> our rigged capitalism. Once that happens, people might start (maybe mistakenly) thinking that the alternatives you've been damning for 75 years might be better.
    The alternatives are not better. The answer isn't to scrap capitalism but to unleash it to its full potential. If government has gotten involved to "rig" it, why would we want them even more involved, regardless of what you want to call it?

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    A good article detailing why the Soviet system failed and why any similar system will fail. As he says, the problem isn't the jockey but the horse.



    Why Socialism Fails | Hoover Institution
    Mixed economies appear to work best. One fault of that mix to beware of is socializing costs while privatizing profits (which is often called 'crony capitalism').
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    So, you think the government should run the entire healthcare system? How about the energy industry? Once they get those, where will it stop? History should tell you. BTW, Hannity and Rush are rich for the same reason that liberals with TV shows are rich, which is that they live in a free market capitalist system. What we need is MORE capitalism, more freedom, more businesses, more commerce, and more wealth creation because by doing that, you lift up the greatest number. Only a wealthy country can help its poor citizens. A poor one cannot and socialism will inevitably lead to making us poorer.
    At what level does it become "central planning"?

    Country? State? City? Street? Household? "central planning" is a strawman.
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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas1 View Post
    A good article detailing why the Soviet system failed and why any similar system will fail. As he says, the problem isn't the jockey but the horse.



    Why Socialism Fails | Hoover Institution
    Two problems with Socialism:

    1. It tends to rot from the bottom up. People tend to resist being plugged into one niche or another. They might tolerate it for a while but eventually they want a change and the only way to keep them in their niche is through force. People resist the use of force and things begin to rot from the bottom up as people exercise options outside the system to get what they want.

    2. It tends to rot from the top down. Socialism requires ideological purity. That means that people who don't hold to that level of purity impede the goals of the system and must be done away with. Eventually those who resist ideological purity go from being an impediment to the plan to being a threat to the plan. The measures to mitigate that threat then become correspondingly more extreme.

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Repeating your same lies over and over again does not make then true. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about, you certainly don't even know what democratic socialism is despite a definition being clearly provided for you so that you could read it. Maybe reading comprehension is where you struggle the most?
    What was it that Reagan said? Something like--
    A socialist is a person who reads Marx.
    A communist is a person who understands Marx.
    This is what is happening here.

    For example, what does "social ownership" of the means of production actually mean in practice?

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Mixed economies appear to work best. One fault of that mix to beware of is socializing costs while privatizing profits (which is often called 'crony capitalism').
    Gorbachev failed because he went straight to crony-capitalism. Oligarch Rule.
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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Could the article be any more obvious that it doesn't have the slightest clue about the difference between authoritarian socialism and democratic socialism? This isn't rocket science. This is a distinction that a child can learn.
    I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that Democratic Socialism is merely a stepping stone toward Authoritarian Socialism which, ultimately, is a stem toward outright Communism. The state constantly requires more and more authority to implement and ENFORCE their plans for a "better, healthier society".

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    Re: Why Socialism Fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Repeating your same lies over and over again does not make then true. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about, you certainly don't even know what democratic socialism is despite a definition being clearly provided for you so that you could read it. Maybe reading comprehension is where you struggle the most?
    What the hell do you think "social ownership of the means of production" means? If there is social ownership then there is NOT private ownership and if there is no private ownership, there is no capitalism. So, as I stated, you favor the overthrow of capitalism. No thanks.

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