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Nogales Orders Feds To Remove Razor Wire

veritas1 said:
They interfere with Federal immigration enforcement. That makes them illegal by definition. Because someone may like sanctuary cities doesn't make them Constitutional.
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But this issue has been heard in multiple federal courts around the country... Same conclusion every time... ICE detainers are requests and have no legal basis... Cities/counties/states that hold an individual under a detainer only risk violating the 4th amendment rights of the person held and are subject to the financial liability that comes from violating someones 4th amendment rights.
 
Mycroft said:
Again...Google is your friend.
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Google doesn't come up with any details on how the $5.7 billion is going to be spent... Got any hints?
 
I keep seeing posts here talking about "barbed wire", "concertina wire" and "razor wire". I think a little bit of clarity is called for to settle some useless arguments and to get everyone on the same sheet of music.

Concertina wire or Dannert Wire[1] is a type of barbed wire or razor wire that is formed in large coils which can be expanded like a concertina (a small hand-held bellows-type instrument in the same family as the accordion). In conjunction with plain barbed wire (and/or razor wire/tape) and steel pickets, it is most often used to form military-style wire obstacles. It is also used in non-military settings, such as when used in prison barriers, detention camps, riot control, or at the U.S./Mexico Border.[2][3]

Concertina wire - Wikipedia
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So...concertina wire is simply wire that has been formed into large coils. It can be either barbed or razor.

Razor wire is more commonly formed in concertina, as opposed to barbed wire which is more commonly formed as single wire...but both types can be either concertina or single wire.

Nowadays, razor wire...in concertina form...is widely used for military and security applications, but it wasn't always so. I never saw razor wire during my two tours in Vietnam...but I saw a LOT of barbed wire in both concertina and straight wire forms.

Bottom line: The stuff in that picture and video of the border wall in Nogales is razor wire in concertina form.

Moving on...
 
BlueTex said:
Google doesn't come up with any details on how the $5.7 billion is going to be spent... Got any hints?
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Sorry. Can't help you.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Duh. I know what it is. I've also worked with it plenty of times. It belongs nowhere near a town's business and school district.
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Well it apparently does belong there as it is there now
 
sangha said:
And now the right wings desire for local control gets thrown under the bus

Does the right have any principles they wont discard when inconvenient?
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Actually, right wings support federalism, where federal, state, and municipal governments each have authorities over certain things. As defined in the constitution control of immigration is a federal responsibility. No charge for the civics lesson.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well it apparently does belong there as it is there now
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Because it is there right now means that it must belong there? Does that apply only to this instance, or to everything in life?
 
Mycroft said:
A voice? No problem.

Control? No way.
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Interesting, we have a wingnut on board supporting the federal government as the ultimate authority.

I agree with you, states rights is a terrible concept that created the civil war and keeps us divided. One central government is best.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Really? It is always so much fun to see leftists actually blurt out their insane thoughts. Before the TDS virus they used to control themselves enough to at least not blurt them out for all to see. TDS has this interesting Tourette aspect as well. Tell us more about how you believe drunken Trump supporters are going to walk along razor wire....with their guns mind you....and then fall in and become ensnared in killer razor wire. Can any of your friends here chime in as well and confirm they think those things as well? It would be great fun to talk to these people as well.
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who else but the Trump dolts or innocent seniors or children?
 
HumblePi said:
This has nothing at all to do with how much barbed wire I've handed. Barbed wire and concertina, or razor wire, are just not the same product. Concertina/razor wire does not have 'two little barbs on the end', that's barbed wire and that's why it's called 'barbed' wire because of the 'two little barbs on the end'. You have stated that you've had experience stringing barbed wire and clearly claimed that concertina and barbed wire are the same - which they are not. It wouldn't matter if you have strung enough barbed wire to circle the circumference of the earth ten times. Barbed wire and concertina, or razor wire, are just not the same product. Rather than 'puncturing' as barbed wire does, razor wire/concertina wire has the ability to slice or cut as a razor would rather than puncture. You continue to defend your opinion that razor or concertina wire are the same as barbed wire, and they are not as I have clearly indicated posting illustrations of both.
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Wrong...again...how much concertina wire have you handled? I've used it a lot, and haven't strung any barbed wire, you read it wrong. I gave you a picture of what is used in Nogales and where the sharp parts are. The military uses that stuff all the time. I also never clamed they were the same.

Learn how to read.
 
noonereal said:
Interesting, we have a wingnut on board supporting the federal government as the ultimate authority.

I agree with you, states rights is a terrible concept that created the civil war and keeps us divided. One central government is best.
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???

There are no "state's rights" when it comes to border control.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Nogales Orders Federal Officials To Remove Hideous, ‘Inhuman’ Razor Wire On Border

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Razor wire coils in downtown Nogales, Arizona.



Damn! What if a child got entangled in the razor wire coils or an elderly person fell into it?

What in Hell was DHS and the US military thinking here? What is the matter with these phreaking idiots?
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Bloody hell! Is that an American city? Is that the best they can do?
Looks like some nightmare scenario from someone's dystopian fantasy. Someone's vision of a zombie apocalypse.
 
Fishking said:
Wrong...again...how much concertina wire have you handled? I've used it a lot, and haven't strung any barbed wire, you read it wrong. I gave you a picture of what is used in Nogales and where the sharp parts are. The military uses that stuff all the time. I also never clamed they were the same.

Learn how to read.
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As I have previously stated, but will repeat for you once again. It doesn't matter whether I've handle concertina wire, razor wire or barbed wire just as it doesn't matter whether you've strung some kind of wire around the world. It does not matter, do you understand that yet?

What matters is the distinction between a barb and a razor. A barb is a pointed, spiked metal object that PUNCTURES. A razor is an elongated sharp piece of steel that slices. Do you get the picture yet? I gave you clear photographs showing the distinct differences between barbed wire and razor wire. I can't help it if your brain can't process the images, but they're there for anyone to be able to differentiate the two. I read your nonsense and you claim you have strung concertina wire but you refuse to accept that concertina and razor wire are the SAME. You also stated "none of it is sharp except for two little barbs at the end that stick out". CONCERTINA AND RAZOR WIRE DO NOT HAVE BARBS!

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BARBED WIRE

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CONCERTINA WIRE

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Learn how to comprehend the distinction. And if you are trying to convince anyone that concertina wire would not be dangerous for children, then you are sadly mistaken.
 
noonereal said:
who else but the Trump dolts or innocent seniors or children?
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hahahha so seniors and children will somehow get caught in razor wire? I love your blurts. Please tell us how a senior gets caught in razor wire in the scenario in your head.
 
HumblePi said:
As I have previously stated, but will repeat for you once again. It doesn't matter whether I've handle concertina wire, razor wire or barbed wire just as it doesn't matter whether you've strung some kind of wire around the world. It does not matter, do you understand that yet?

What matters is the distinction between a barb and a razor. A barb is a pointed, spiked metal object that PUNCTURES. A razor is an elongated sharp piece of steel that slices. Do you get the picture yet? I gave you clear photographs showing the distinct differences between barbed wire and razor wire. I can't help it if your brain can't process the images, but they're there for anyone to be able to differentiate the two. I read your nonsense and you claim you have strung concertina wire but you refuse to accept that concertina and razor wire are the SAME. You also stated "none of it is sharp except for two little barbs at the end that stick out". CONCERTINA AND RAZOR WIRE DO NOT HAVE BARBS!

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BARBED WIRE

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CONCERTINA WIRE

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Learn how to comprehend the distinction. And if you are trying to convince anyone that concertina wire would not be dangerous for children, then you are sadly mistaken.
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Both are dangerous to children. So are sharp knives. Thats why good parents ensure their children arent playing near razors or any other dangerous things.
 
HumblePi said:
As I have previously stated, but will repeat for you once again. It doesn't matter whether I've handle concertina wire, razor wire or barbed wire just as it doesn't matter whether you've strung some kind of wire around the world. It does not matter, do you understand that yet?

What matters is the distinction between a barb and a razor. A barb is a pointed, spiked metal object that PUNCTURES. A razor is an elongated sharp piece of steel that slices. Do you get the picture yet? I gave you clear photographs showing the distinct differences between barbed wire and razor wire. I can't help it if your brain can't process the images, but they're there for anyone to be able to differentiate the two. I read your nonsense and you claim you have strung concertina wire but you refuse to accept that concertina and razor wire are the SAME. You also stated "none of it is sharp except for two little barbs at the end that stick out". CONCERTINA AND RAZOR WIRE DO NOT HAVE BARBS!

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BARBED WIRE

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CONCERTINA WIRE

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Learn how to comprehend the distinction. And if you are trying to convince anyone that concertina wire would not be dangerous for children, then you are sadly mistaken.
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Oh my....look at the ends of that concertina wire....what are those things sticking out? If only there was a word for that...oh yeah, "barbs"! To further educate you, none of those edges are sharp. The only thing sharp on the picture you showed are the two pointed barbs on each of those protrusions.

Now you can continue to ignore someone who has actually handled the material being talked about or you can go with just making up your own **** from internet "knowledge". So far as it being dangerous, it's still dangerous in that it can hurt people, so can barbed wire. I've only said it's not lethal.
 
Fishking said:
Oh my....look at the ends of that concertina wire....what are those things sticking out? If only there was a word for that...oh yeah, "barbs"! To further educate you, none of those edges are sharp. The only thing sharp on the picture you showed are the two pointed barbs on each of those protrusions.

Now you can continue to ignore someone who has actually handled the material being talked about or you can go with just making up your own **** from internet "knowledge". So far as it being dangerous, it's still dangerous in that it can hurt people, so can barbed wire. I've only said it's not lethal.
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You're mighty uninformed about all that wire you strung around the globe for decades and decades. Learn how to google 'concertina wire' and get yourself some real knowledge. I never argued that it's lethal - never.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Not fake news. Many links are available.

It's just news you don't agree with. Exactly like Trumps notion of what news should be.
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According to you, the only news should be anti-Trump news.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Have you been to Nogales? Doubt it!!!!!!!

I have done about 35-40 trips dropping loads at the Schneider drop yard in Nogales, and have spent many days & nights there back when I was a Owner Operator leased out to Schneider.

I have watched them come across and head for the back areas of the local truck stops.

I have also seen them being hoarded into van and small buses.

I have also seen them harassing locals, local businesses, and the Nogales police.
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Only lefty fake news allowed.
 
Amelia said:
Hey ... Trump needs props for his manufactured crisis. You can't ask him to care about the children who have to grow up there.
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When you have hundreds of thousands of illegals entering the country illegally every year there is a crisis, just not a Democrat crises for those who want open borders.
 
HumblePi said:
You're mighty uninformed about all that wire you strung around the globe for decades and decades. Learn how to google 'concertina wire' and get yourself some real knowledge. I never argued that it's lethal - never.
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Lol...you're going to go with assumptions from your ****ty internet research over 1st hand knowledge, so willful ignorance rules the day for you, got it. So far as it being lethal, you didn't make that claim, but it was in the OP, and was one of the points I was taking issue with.
 
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