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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    There are 2020 candidates who support it. How scary is that?
    No scary to me in the least. I understand it has absolutely zero chance of passing in its present form.

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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

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    ANOTHER AOC thread!

    There is dangerous levels of AOC on the forum, if we do not turn back now and stop posting so many, it could create a tear in the space-time continuum.
    I think they are trying to use it to distract from all the Trump news. If AOC is as stupid and incompetent as they claim she is, then it's all a non-issue. She's one among 435, so her ideas won't go that far. So mostly the AOC-DS (lol) is just there to put on a show and serve as a distraction from one whose stupidity and incompetence has a far greater impact that AOC's...Trump.

    The degree to which AOC wants to take this concept of Basic, so provided amount by government to ensure a certain level of basic living needs for everyone, would not appear to be obtainable nor sustainable. It's not a new notion, I just don't think we are at a place right now where we could support such a system. We do have unemployment and welfare programs and if she wants to help elevate or support the poor, we could probably look there first for improvements before going off to make some brand new system that will be too big and expensive to maintain.
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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    As part of her New Green Deal, AOC wants to pay people for fogging a mirror. Can't you just feel the meteoric rise to the middle and call to greatness and prosperity?

    "Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday that, in addition to transitioning the U.S. entirely to renewable energy in ten years, promises to provide “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work.”

    Since arriving in Washington in January, Ocasio-Cortez has prioritized the implementation of a Green New Deal and, in her frequent media appearances, has emphasized its potential as a means to pursue “economic justice” while drastically reducing carbon emissions over the next decade.

    In drafting the proposal, Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow progressive lawmakers appear to have envisioned that the trillions of dollars in new government spending it would require would be financed entirely on credit.

    “How will you pay for it,” reads a frequently-asked-questions document that accompanied the bill.“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”
    With the exception of the brief mention of a “carbon tax,” which the FAQ document claims “misses the point,” there is no mention of any additional taxes to cover the cost of spending.

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    In addition to providing “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work,” the plan also promises to create “millions of good, high-wage jobs” for willing Americans. Many of those new federal employees would presumably assist in the 14 major clean-energy-infrastructure projects the plan calls for.

    In defending the breadth and scope of the proposal, which also includes 15 “social and economic justice and security” requirements, Ocasio-Cortez has likened it to the mobilization effort that preceded World War II, and conceded that it qualifies as a “moonshot” idea."



    Kennedy's moonshot was a call to greatness and pushing the boundaries of human achievement. AOC's "moonshot" is a call to suck on the government teat and have us become a socialist mecca.
    Why didn't you link to the story you are citing in the OP?
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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Taking her literally not seriously.

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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    As part of her New Green Deal, AOC wants to pay people for fogging a mirror. Can't you just feel the meteoric rise to the middle and call to greatness and prosperity?

    "Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday that, in addition to transitioning the U.S. entirely to renewable energy in ten years, promises to provide “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work.”

    Since arriving in Washington in January, Ocasio-Cortez has prioritized the implementation of a Green New Deal and, in her frequent media appearances, has emphasized its potential as a means to pursue “economic justice” while drastically reducing carbon emissions over the next decade.

    In drafting the proposal, Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow progressive lawmakers appear to have envisioned that the trillions of dollars in new government spending it would require would be financed entirely on credit.

    “How will you pay for it,” reads a frequently-asked-questions document that accompanied the bill.“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”
    With the exception of the brief mention of a “carbon tax,” which the FAQ document claims “misses the point,” there is no mention of any additional taxes to cover the cost of spending.

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    In addition to providing “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work,” the plan also promises to create “millions of good, high-wage jobs” for willing Americans. Many of those new federal employees would presumably assist in the 14 major clean-energy-infrastructure projects the plan calls for.

    In defending the breadth and scope of the proposal, which also includes 15 “social and economic justice and security” requirements, Ocasio-Cortez has likened it to the mobilization effort that preceded World War II, and conceded that it qualifies as a “moonshot” idea."



    Kennedy's moonshot was a call to greatness and pushing the boundaries of human achievement. AOC's "moonshot" is a call to suck on the government teat and have us become a socialist mecca.
    AOC is more of a symptom. The short story is that Venezuela was a prosperous oil rich country with a democracy. The two parties could not compromise or work together and nothing got done. The people got more and more frustrated until a populist candidate came along and promised them everything they wanted. But they didn't see the other hand coming as their newly elected leadershp began corrupting their institutions and their government, and drove out the productive middle and upper classes. Then the spiral began. And here they are.

    So I don't see AOC so much as a threat, but a warning to both parties. The fact that AOC is getting the attention she is, is a warning sign to both parties: Stop fighting and get down to getting the people's business done.
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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    AOC is more of a symptom. The short story is that Venezuela was a prosperous oil rich country with a democracy. The two parties could not compromise or work together and nothing got done. The people got more and more frustrated until a populist candidate came along and promised them everything they wanted. But they didn't see the other hand coming as their newly elected leadershp began corrupting their institutions and their government, and drove out the productive middle and upper classes. Then the spiral began. And here they are.

    So I don't see AOC so much as a threat, but a warning to both parties. The fact that AOC is getting the attention she is, is a warning sign to both parties: Stop fighting and get down to getting the people's business done.
    This really crystalizes it for me. Such a great observation.

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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Apologies for not linking the quoted article!

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...lling-to-work/

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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acadia View Post
    As part of her New Green Deal, AOC wants to pay people for fogging a mirror. Can't you just feel the meteoric rise to the middle and call to greatness and prosperity?

    "Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Ed Markey (D., Mass.) introduced a Green New Deal bill Thursday that, in addition to transitioning the U.S. entirely to renewable energy in ten years, promises to provide “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work.”

    Since arriving in Washington in January, Ocasio-Cortez has prioritized the implementation of a Green New Deal and, in her frequent media appearances, has emphasized its potential as a means to pursue “economic justice” while drastically reducing carbon emissions over the next decade.

    In drafting the proposal, Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow progressive lawmakers appear to have envisioned that the trillions of dollars in new government spending it would require would be financed entirely on credit.

    “How will you pay for it,” reads a frequently-asked-questions document that accompanied the bill.“The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment.”
    With the exception of the brief mention of a “carbon tax,” which the FAQ document claims “misses the point,” there is no mention of any additional taxes to cover the cost of spending.

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    In addition to providing “economic security for those unable or unwilling to work,” the plan also promises to create “millions of good, high-wage jobs” for willing Americans. Many of those new federal employees would presumably assist in the 14 major clean-energy-infrastructure projects the plan calls for.

    In defending the breadth and scope of the proposal, which also includes 15 “social and economic justice and security” requirements, Ocasio-Cortez has likened it to the mobilization effort that preceded World War II, and conceded that it qualifies as a “moonshot” idea."



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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    state TV and AM radio must have her on heavy rotation. that's usually the case when right wingers start eight hundred threads about something.
    She just published a really asinine proposal, in her mind it's a serious plan. One that in reality would **** America into utter failure. As the fresh new face of the Democrat Party, of course we're going to have a laugh at the seeds of stupid the left has sown.
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    Re: Should we pay people who are unwilling to work? AOC thinks so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renae View Post
    She just published a really asinine proposal, in her mind it's a serious plan. On that in reality would **** America into utter failure. As the fresh new face of the Democrat Party, of course we're going to have a laugh at the seeds of stupid the left has sown.
    I really wish senior Democrats would stop enabling AOC. These are 2020 candidates who are backing her ridiculousness.
    Then again, it really is going to get Trump elected again.

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