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Time to redistribute the wealth . It's only fair.

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jbander said:
Doesn't work, your not going to get anywhere in a debate with the commie attack when you have absolutely no idea what communism or socialist is and anyone who works for the big 40 hours deserve a wage they can live on. Instead of me having to use my tax dollars to feed and house them so some bloodsucking business can make a bigger profit.
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So you recognize that you are wrong. Thanks for the confirmation.

Were you really a veteran? You appear to have forgotten it all.
 
jbander said:
So that means that it's right to have a tax structure that moves every dime of new profit in this country to the top which is exactly what has happened for the last 40 years. Its ok to have a tax structure that gives it all to the people who think they deserve it all but not ok to give it to the worker who does the work actually.
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so you be the first. you right now can start redistributing your own income to people that have less.
 
jbander said:
Well your right and wrong , I want everyone to get as wealthy as they can, but your ridiculously wrong saying that tax structure can't move wealth in one direction or another.
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I'm not saying that tax structure is wrong, I'm stating income redistribution via tax structure is wrong. The purpose of tax structures are to support necessary government services, not the redistribution of wealth.
 
jbander said:
Old fat guy , your not getting anywhere saying i'm just wrong, that's not a argument , it's boring as hell.
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You're not getting anywhere with your thieving socialist propaganda.
 
jbander said:
Yup I'm saying no one deserves it all.
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In other words, you're an economic failure and demand what you haven't earned from those have. That makes you an extortionist. Look to your own lack of morals.
 
jbander said:
Ya then some greedy president will lie us into a war so he can make money at the expense of your life. You bet that's a good idea.
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So, you pay attention in school so you can test well.....you will most likely end up in some high tech maintenance job. For every combatant there are 3 or 4 support personnel. Also, look at ground troops, as in Army/Marines, compared to Navy/Air Force. The latter group are safer than civilians of similar age group.
Go Navy, but only if the Air Force won't take you....
 
jbander said:
when they decide , you simply say it is wrong so no you have no clue.
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Its called "partisan politics"...have you been paying attention?

Its exactly what you are doing now...."people voted, they are wrong".
 
Bullseye said:
Let me ask this. Since most wealthy folks got there by creating a company that makes and sells things or services, why would they won't to take anything away from the people who are buying their products? Wouldn't that be stupid? And, if they held all the wealth how would they get anyone to work for them.
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First most wealthy people get their start from daddy, why would they take away from the people who buy their products , yup they do that by getting the most they can for a product , taking away people money so they won't be able to buy from them in the future , without said money, ridiculous right?. The one I like the best is his comment that if the wealthy have all the money they wouldn't be able to hire people. seems to be something missing in that comment.
 
UtahBill said:
So, you pay attention in school so you can test well.....you will most likely end up in some high tech maintenance job. For every combatant there are 3 or 4 support personnel. Also, look at ground troops, as in Army/Marines, compared to Navy/Air Force. The latter group are safer than civilians of similar age group.
Go Navy, but only if the Air Force won't take you....
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Ya that is just dandy to tell the soldier who get a little older and realized they killed and maimed for a complete total lie. Bush murdered 5000 American heroes and the two companies that made the most from it was Halliburton and Carlyle . Halliburton owns Cheney and Carlyle owns Bush and his family.
 
If we have pure capitalism: the working poor would be working below poverty wages and working more than 60 hour a week. The owner can make as much as he wants. We did that before, it ended in the crash of 1929. I do not support pure socialism as I am a social Democrat and I do not support pure capitalism.
 
jbander said:
Ya that is just dandy to tell the soldier who get a little older and realized they killed and maimed for a complete total lie. Bush murdered 5000 American heroes and the two companies that made the most from it was Halliburton and Carlyle . Halliburton owns Cheney and Carlyle owns Bush and his family.
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And then what? Is there any thing that you are positive about? BTW, every president so far is kowtowing to the Saudi families.. got any cures for that?
 
jbander said:
First most wealthy people get their start from daddy, why would they take away from the people who buy their products , yup they do that by getting the most they can for a product , taking away people money so they won't be able to buy from them in the future , without said money, ridiculous right?. The one I like the best is his comment that if the wealthy have all the money they wouldn't be able to hire people. seems to be something missing in that comment.
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Much more missing in this post, as in truth, logic, common sense or intelligent commentary.
 
jbander said:
I love these non sensible distorted lying responses . You want a tax structure that has given every dime of new wealth in this country to the top golden few for the last 40 years . I don't.
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Seeing as that's not how our social, or economical structure works. I highly doubt you even know what is actually possibly of transpiring when it comes to economical opportunities in the US.

There is a vast range of movement for anyone in the economy. Those at the top, aren't always going to be at the top and those at the bottom aren't always going to be at the bottom.
 
apdst said:
I prove that statement wrong on a daily basis.



Yeah, get rid of anyone who dares to question your bull**** communist policies. That's the only way communism can exist: abolish decent.
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I'll give you a chance to prove what you say , go to a encyclopedia look up the main tenets of socialism, bring them back and use them to show that their is socialism in this country, or that I'm a socialist or the democratic party is socialist or in fact anyone at all every suggesting that it's a good idea , bring your source and no don't bring your own stupid definition of socialism. Ok everyone he will try to bull**** his way out of this , disappear, respond with a hate attack . come back saying he knows what it means but won't show us. Come back on and try to change the subject, which I won't let him or attack my spelling.
 
zimmer said:
My... the envy and ignorance runs thick with this one.

Sad.

Your moronic ideas have been tried. The USSR and it’s slave states, China, Cuba, and most recently... Venezuela.

When the government gets involved with punishing the wealthy... you know what? They hide their money, and when opportunity strikes, become even wealthier because they have resources to exploit... itnhappens every time the government tries what you seek.

In the USSR, the wealth was concentrated in the hands of a select few... who told you how you would live your life. That’s Socialism.

Those who would like to move up in a Socialist system are stifled by ****heads with garbage Socialist ideas... that have failed spectacularly every time they have been tried.

You know what else it does? If totally brain ****s a large portion of the population, and that brain ****ing takes generations to expunge. I know... I’ve worked in several former Communist countries. The damage to the souls of people is tragic beyond comprehension.

If you think it’s so wonderful, may I suggest you move to Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, or even the worst former Communist countries... like Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro or Albania. Hell, go to Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech, Slovakia or Hungary.

Really... go live your dream... even after 3-decades of recovery and come back and tell us how great it is.
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You just have to laugh, this guy is arguing about socialism and has absolutely no idea what it is. Never met one of these people who did, it's their favorite hate toll and will fight for it till the end. Which of course does only one thing show their ignorance.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
If we have pure capitalism: the working poor would be working below poverty wages and working more than 60 hour a week. The owner can make as much as he wants. We did that before, it ended in the crash of 1929. I do not support pure socialism as I am a social Democrat and I do not support pure capitalism.
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Do you know that for socialism to exist, there is one tenet that needs to exist , the means of production is owned by the government. You have allowed the hate party to force a definition of socialism through that is wrong , nonsense bull****. It's their favorite hate toll and they need it big time. I don't believe your a socialist , don't use their definition simply look it up yourself and see what you agree with, adding in the point that what they think has to be separated from capitalism. but some issue public schools for instance live in all types of economy's.
 
I think figuring out ways to incentivize the rich to spend their money(Not to just invest it) might be a way to go.

I don't know how you would do that but....

Maybe increase taxes on investment, but have the same taxes be able to be exempted if you spend X% of wealth on US goods/services.

Just a random idea.
 
UtahBill said:
And then what? Is there any thing that you are positive about? BTW, every president so far is kowtowing to the Saudi families.. got any cures for that?
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about that hell no.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as that's not how our social, or economical structure works. I highly doubt you even know what is actually possibly of transpiring when it comes to economical opportunities in the US.

There is a vast range of movement for anyone in the economy. Those at the top, aren't always going to be at the top and those at the bottom aren't always going to be at the bottom.
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Nope the wealthy do not have the right to all new wealth that is derived from this country, they and you are simply "I'm the only one that counts people" and I have no respect for any of you. Your supporting the fact that all the new wealth of this country went only to the golden few at the top and the vast majority lost ground over the last 40 years since the trickle down lie was implemented. I'm apposed to it because it the disease that will destroy capitalism. Me only won't work anywhere.
 
jbander said:
If you can put together a tax structure that puts every dime of new wealth of a country into the hands of the rich , tell me then why you can't do the opposite. There will be no revolution that I advocate. Jobs that are set up to make profit by paying non livable wages are simply wrong. It forces everyone else to pay for the workers subsistence with tax dollars and that is ridiculous . Why should tax money be the way for a company to have a profit. I mean talks about welfare.
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you can , very easily, put it together.


getting it enacted would be impossible without revolution. neither party's establishment people want to stop teh money flow from rich sponsors.

you MIGHT be able to work towards less corporate influence through tort reform , businesses as people and loopholes in taxes for the rich though. I am for that myself.

you're going to need a LOT more AOC's before this has any chance though.
 
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jbander said:
I'll give you a chance to prove what you say , go to a encyclopedia look up the main tenets of socialism, bring them back and use them to show that their is socialism in this country, or that I'm a socialist or the democratic party is socialist or in fact anyone at all every suggesting that it's a good idea , bring your source and no don't bring your own stupid definition of socialism. Ok everyone he will try to bull**** his way out of this , disappear, respond with a hate attack . come back saying he knows what it means but won't show us. Come back on and try to change the subject, which I won't let him or attack my spelling.
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Simple. Tell us which of these you disagree with.

1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.
Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

4. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

5. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

6. Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

7. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

8. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries;

9. Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

10.Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production
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jbander said:
Do you know that for socialism to exist, there is one tenet that needs to exist , the means of production is owned by the government. You have allowed the hate party to force a definition of socialism through that is wrong , nonsense bull****. It's their favorite hate toll and they need it big time. I don't believe your a socialist , don't use their definition simply look it up yourself and see what you agree with, adding in the point that what they think has to be separated from capitalism. but some issue public schools for instance live in all types of economy's.
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With America, half of the population will be born and die at or less than fifty miles from both points of interests. I am more like a European Social Democrat within the rebuilding of Western Europe during the 1950's and into the 1980's. I support the European Union, and a single currency. The problem with capitalism and the Make America Great Again, it is really designed for the Trump common man living in a community were white flight has depopulated the area and a lacking of new businesses to employ the local workforce.
 
jbander said:
Here's the deal, it can all be done with tax law,. It is how all the wealth is going to the top now and it can be changed easily to have it go to the people who actually do the work and to the poor to give them some sort of life for working their asses off. Simple as pie. Since the last 40 years everything has gone to the top with massive increases of wealth going to the already wealthy and not one dime extra and in fact a loss for the American worker. So my proposal to be fair, is to turn it around totally for the next 40 years and all new wealth going to the people who actually work for a living , that include the working poor that get ****. These wealthy pigs don't earn it, deserve it or need it. And all you suckers that's real capitalism.
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You first. Open your bank account to the masses.
 
jbander said:
Here's the deal, it can all be done with tax law,. It is how all the wealth is going to the top now and it can be changed easily to have it go to the people who actually do the work and to the poor to give them some sort of life for working their asses off. Simple as pie. Since the last 40 years everything has gone to the top with massive increases of wealth going to the already wealthy and not one dime extra and in fact a loss for the American worker. So my proposal to be fair, is to turn it around totally for the next 40 years and all new wealth going to the people who actually work for a living , that include the working poor that get ****. These wealthy pigs don't earn it, deserve it or need it. And all you suckers that's real capitalism.
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If you were actually able to do this, which likely would involve major breaches of individual rights, what do you think would happen to the economic growth? Something similar has been tried numerous times in history (think of the start of the Soviet Union, or modern China). Most (although not all) of those rich people you talk about got rich by creating wealth - they came up with a product or service that other people were happy to freely pay money for (e.g. acting, singing or athletic talent, great restaurants, novels, and, yes, lots of useful businesses). IF you take all their money away, they'll obviously stop doing it. And the economy would massively shrink. All those people who just get handed a bunch of money would then not have much to buy with it - all the makes of nice products and services would be out of business. Net effect would be that everyone would be much worse off. And you'd have to have a totalitarian state to enforce the transfer anyway, and they are rarely pleasant for anyone.
 
apdst said:
Simple. Tell us which of these you disagree with.
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Your a walking talking joke, your saying that these things are in this country , or someone is supporting it in this country, By the way that list is from the communist manifesto, it's not what defines socialism. Your calling people socialist so one more time , go to a encyclopedia get the main tenets of socialism , bring them back here and tell us with those tenets how the **** we are socialist or tell us who supports any the tenets in this country. I told everyone what you would do ,try to bull**** your way through it.. I'll make this real simple for small minds , there is one tenet that without there is no socialism, that is. Number one on every list of the tenets of socialism, The means of production is owned and run by the government. So your saying straight out to all of us that the means of production in this country all is owned and run by socialist. Do you really think your going to get someone to believe you, I know this hurts taking away your favorite hate tool to attack democrats with, but facts are facts and showing everyone here and you that you have zero idea what the definition of socialism is.
 
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