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Time to redistribute the wealth . It's only fair.

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Grokmaster said:
Here's the deal: left us know when Soros, the Clinton's , Pelosi, Warren, the Obamas, etc. decide to " redistribute" THEIR OWN WEALTH.
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Hell, I'll send them my bank number so they can direct deposit it.
 
eohrnberger said:
The fact of the matter is that a strong capitalistic system in these nations are on what the socialist programs survive on. Kinda like a parasite.

The often quoted Norway has their oil wealth from the North Sea pretty much supporting the rest of the nation and their federal spending.
These nations are also very homogeneous, i.e. not very diverse, in either people or culture.
These nations are also very small in land mass and population when compared to the US and other nations.

The US is very dissimilar to these nations, so much so, rather doubtful that the same solutions that appear to work there would work in the US.

I'm not prepared to risk a Venezuela out come to find out. The US federal government is already too far in debt, and it is this debt which is the bright light in the train tunnel that is fast approaching.
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We don’t have to be Venezuela or Sweden. And naturally the productive capacity of a people is what makes reforms like the New Deal and Medicare possible. Yes we are much larger and more diverse than other developed societies, but we can still learn from their models and their mistakes. In the years since Reagan, it has been democrats who have been more responsible with budgeting. Dems are tax and spend; GOP spend but don’t tax. That’s where the debt comes from.
 
Saladin4 said:
In Many countries the Rich pay little or nothing ...Surround themselves with armed guards behind gated mansions, while 90% of the populace struggles with daily survival....America can do better, but under trump will it?
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That isn't the way it is here in 'Merica. You do know who pays the most taxes, don't you? As a capitalist stockholding pig, I'm getting my cut. Aren't you?
 
Nickyjo said:
That’s not what I want suggesting, just noting that Venezuela is not the model.
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Every model you can point to is a loosing proposition.
 
jbander said:
Funny, so are there any taxes that are not confiscating . Your getting no way here suggesting not to have taxes.
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Please learn to write a coherent statement. Your lack of adequate punctuation, misuse of contractions, and missing subject/verb pairings make your posts virtually unintelligible.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I agree. Although I don't want to do away with our military, police, fire, or ambulance services. It has to be a healthy mix of capitalism with socialism for some things.

You should know this stuff. The guy in your avatar wanted much more socialism.
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Social programs are not socialism. It is the inherent obligation of governments to protect and serve its citizens, regardless the form of government or economic system. Ironically, each of the services you mention started under private ownership prior to governmental controls with the exception of the military. Per example, merchants on the British docks formed and hired the first police forces to protect their goods from thieves. In the US the first fire fighters were volunteers, followed by private associates of real property owners who formed and hired their own fire fighting mercenaries, who in turn, mature into corrupt racketeers promising not to burn down your house for a fee, and then looting your house or business as it burned. Reformers forced the elimination of competing gang controls of "fire fighters" forcing fire fighting under government controls. The first ambulance services, other than those used by the military, both here and in Europe, were private businesses contracted by privately owned hospitals, often competing and brawling for patients. Far more ambulance services in the US remain under private ownership and operation than public, mandated to operate within government dictated standards.

Even road building in the US was originally a private function. In Europe privately operated toll roads still exist. Here they were taken under eminent domain. Certainly the same can be said of our rail transport system, and it still so for air transport.

Government is about meeting the needs of the entire constituency, not about equalization of wealth and redistribution thereof as socialism demands. It is pathetic and unrealistic that today's progressives not only desire equal opportunity for all, but equal outcome for all, regardless of efforts made.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Of course they are. You guys have just been trained to deny that we have socialism in parts of our society because that's "evil".
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You are claiming individual wealth is evil. OC said well, "obscene." She'll go down in the flames of maturity. She's no Bella Abzug.
 
Funny how those on the right hate taxes but will defend the extremely wealthy being taxed on an equal basis with someone making 26k a year. Everyone knows the extremely wealthy or for the new phrase, those with means, don't pay their fair share in taxes. Some folks would rather defend the 'right' of one person owning billions while millions of others barely have enough to live even though they work everyday. Our priorities are not in order.
 
OscarLevant said:
Not if you are over 28, or whatever the cut off age is. Not everyone can join, either. So, that's not a complete solution.
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So what did you waste you life doing up until the ASVAB cut-off? If you liberals wanted to fix the ills you see, make EVERY kid that turns 18 join a military service: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, and serve the nation for 4 years. They will immediately have a job, learn a skill, understand what it really means to be blessed to have been born in America, actually understand what the politicians do to us, understand other races/nationalities, and get their head on straight so they can finish their education and become a contributing citizen.
 
Interesting, I worked hard my entire life. Thru education and hard work and reading the tax code and reading investment literature, I attained the intellectual capital and financial capital to have a very good life for myself and family. While I was doing this, the average american was doing nothing to advance their capital throughout their lives. Now I am rich and you want to figure out a way to take this money from me. Thank you very much for telling me what your feelings are. I definitely understand what our government is capable of and I am confident that it might change for my benefit or harm in the future.

I will tell you that I do read the laws our government passes for two reasons, one is to protect the assets I currently have and two is to increase the return on my investments in the future.

There are ways the government can slowly drain more money out of my pocket, but I will tell you that I find the leaks and I plug them when they get large enough.

I am still years from retirement. I started researching what state I should move to for the lowest total cost of living, I have no problem choosing a different country. Unlike most, I do not have to enter any country illegally to become a citizen, all I have to do is demonstrate my ability to support myself and the doors will be open.
 
OscarLevant said:
Not if you are over 28, or whatever the cut off age is. Not everyone can join, either. So, that's not a complete solution.
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39 for Air Force....
No, not everyone can join. Why would anyone wait 10 years or more past high school?
It is a complete solution for MOST....

Of course, as with most jobs, slackers won't last long.

Google age to enlist, other services have different requirements.
 
jbander said:
Here's the deal, it can all be done with tax law,. It is how all the wealth is going to the top now and it can be changed easily to have it go to the people who actually do the work and to the poor to give them some sort of life for working their asses off. Simple as pie. Since the last 40 years everything has gone to the top with massive increases of wealth going to the already wealthy and not one dime extra and in fact a loss for the American worker. So my proposal to be fair, is to turn it around totally for the next 40 years and all new wealth going to the people who actually work for a living , that include the working poor that get ****. These wealthy pigs don't earn it, deserve it or need it. And all you suckers that's real capitalism.
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France tried this nonsense back in 2012 when they passed a 75% millionaires tax
Two years later after revenues fell and their economy stagnated, France was forced to abandon their 75% top marginal rate
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...tax-failure-a-blow-to-pikettys-economics/amp/

The effectiveness of confiscatory tax rates are entirely predicated on the off chance that millionaires and Billionaires will simply play along.
They will not
 
charliebrown said:
Interesting, I worked hard my entire life. Thru education and hard work and reading the tax code and reading investment literature, I attained the intellectual capital and financial capital to have a very good life for myself and family. While I was doing this, the average american was doing nothing to advance their capital throughout their lives. Now I am rich and you want to figure out a way to take this money from me. Thank you very much for telling me what your feelings are. I definitely understand what our government is capable of and I am confident that it might change for my benefit or harm in the future.

I will tell you that I do read the laws our government passes for two reasons, one is to protect the assets I currently have and two is to increase the return on my investments in the future.

There are ways the government can slowly drain more money out of my pocket, but I will tell you that I find the leaks and I plug them when they get large enough.

I am still years from retirement. I started researching what state I should move to for the lowest total cost of living, I have no problem choosing a different country. Unlike most, I do not have to enter any country illegally to become a citizen, all I have to do is demonstrate my ability to support myself and the doors will be open.
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You sound like my kind of guy....and if I won't share with my long term unemployable siblings, why should anyone outside the family expect my help?
 
Rich2018 said:
Or how greedy the rich man is.
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:roll:

Tax policy predicated on envy and nothing else is great for energizing Bernie Sanders base, but not for anything else
 
apdst said:
Every model you can point to is a loosing proposition.
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The New Deal reforms worked, Medicare works, European style government works. My hope is that we move left democratically, with conservatives playing an essential role as brakes on our dumber ideas while offering alternatives. Venezuela is not a basket case because they tried to do something for their poor, but because the last two governments have been incompetent, corrupt and brutal.

Conservatives should be grateful, however, since Venezuela has played a nice go-to role for the right wing:

"We should raise the minimum wag..." VENEZUELA!!!
"We should reverse the Trump administration edicts on worker safety in..." VENEZUELA!!
"Medicare for al..." VENEZUELA!!!
 
Nickyjo said:
The New Deal reforms worked, Medicare works, European style government works. My hope is that we move left democratically, with conservatives playing an essential role as brakes on our dumber ideas while offering alternatives. Venezuela is not a basket case because they tried to do something for their poor, but because the last two governments have been incompetent, corrupt and brutal.

Conservatives should be grateful, however, since Venezuela has played a nice go-to role for the right wing:

"We should raise the minimum wag..." VENEZUELA!!!
"We should reverse the Trump administration edicts on worker safety in..." VENEZUELA!!
"Medicare for al..." VENEZUELA!!!
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Works great in Cuba, too. Zimbabwe. South Africa.

Yeah! Can't wait! :lamo
 
Fenton said:
France tried this nonsense back in 2012 when they passed a 75% millionaires tax
Two years later after revenues fell and their economy stagnated, France was forced to abandon their 75% top marginal rate
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...tax-failure-a-blow-to-pikettys-economics/amp/

The effectiveness of confiscatory tax rates are entirely predicated on the off chance that millionaires and Billionaires will simply play along.
They will not
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Funny thing about millionaires, they have the means to simply move. The only way something like that would work is for every country in the world to implement such taxes which will never happen as there will always be countries that simply realize they can capitalize on lowering the tax rate thus drawing in more revenue from those rich people setting up shop in their country. Same exact reasoning blue states like New York are quick to drop some tax breaks for companies willing to come in and bring jobs to the state.
 
jbander said:
I'm Not advocating taking away anything, tell me when I said that. Changing tax structure is giving the benefit to those who deserve it. From those that don't need it, earn it or deserve it. They got there free ride for 40 years now it is the workers chance for the next 40 years , seems fair to me.
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Well said
 
jbander said:
Here's the deal, it can all be done with tax law,. It is how all the wealth is going to the top now and it can be changed easily to have it go to the people who actually do the work and to the poor to give them some sort of life for working their asses off. Simple as pie. Since the last 40 years everything has gone to the top with massive increases of wealth going to the already wealthy and not one dime extra and in fact a loss for the American worker. So my proposal to be fair, is to turn it around totally for the next 40 years and all new wealth going to the people who actually work for a living , that include the working poor that get ****. These wealthy pigs don't earn it, deserve it or need it. And all you suckers that's real capitalism.
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You have an electronic device and internet access. To someone in a 3rd world country you are insanely rich. When do you plan on handing your computers over to them. Post again and prove the hypocrisy.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You are claiming individual wealth is evil...
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First you change the subject to deflect and now you're claiming I said something I didn't.

Somebody is flailing.
 
Again let have the democrats do a test case. Have them redistribute all of the billions that Soros has. We could then see if it works.
 
Nickyjo said:
We don’t have to be Venezuela or Sweden. And naturally the productive capacity of a people is what makes reforms like the New Deal and Medicare possible. Yes we are much larger and more diverse than other developed societies, but we can still learn from their models and their mistakes. In the years since Reagan, it has been democrats who have been more responsible with budgeting. Dems are tax and spend; GOP spend but don’t tax. That’s where the debt comes from.
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Meh.

It is a fact that social entitlement programs are non discretionary AND are consuming an ever increasing about of the budget.

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Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
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24%
26%
9%
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59% by reckoning

The best social program is to have an opportunity to work at a job. The pay back and the pay off is a lot more than just a paycheck.

Government giveaway programs isn't the way to do it, and we've seen what government giveaway programs do in the inner cities in this so called 'War on Poverty', which did anything but reduce poverty.
 
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