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How many times have I heard right wingers shout "quid pro quo" when someone donated large amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation. I didn't see you defending the Clintons. ( or did you? await your answer)

More on this. noting that it's not as black and white as you seem to suggest:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...7ded04d8fac_story.html?utm_term=.ffd8152c5928

Your comparison to a business and an organization that operations off of donations or...wait for it..."gifts" highlights my point for me. Thanks for your support.

Also, WaPo not only sucks as a source but has a paywall so I can't even read their bias narrative to debunk how it's wrong.
 
name one progressive who does not believe in the constitution, with evidence, someone mainstream ( we can always reach to the fringe for crazies, not talking about them ).

now then, in order for you to be correct in your characterization, you'll need to name a lot more than one. So, continue, with evidence.

Progressives don't support private property rights, in general. They don't like stores running their business how they see fit, support things like hate speech laws (against the 1A), and believe in extreme progressive taxation (back to hating property rights).
 
Yes, it is.

He was inferring that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole. That is a Compositional Error Fallacy. His compositional error also involved people as the class... That, by definition, is bigotry.


Well, let's take a closer look, not sure you and I are talking about the same thing. Help me understand precisely how you come to this claim of bigotry.

Bigotry means intolerance of those who do not agree with you or who are not like you, who do not believe as you believe. Intolerance, i.e., 'bigotry' means a lot more than just disagreeing with someone, it means you are willing to take action against those people, legally or illegally. For example, if you are a hot dog vendor and you refuse to serve a republican because you don't like republicans, you then rise to the level of being a bigot, not just disagreeing with them, but taking action against them, that is intolerance.


Where is the intolerance you are referring to?


Bongsaway, no doubt, by observing the right's support of Trump, who is breaking laws ( okay, not indicted or convicted, but he was listed as co-conspirator in one specific crime, this much we do know ), by the rights support of Roy Moore, and a few others of this ilk, made a general statement that the right lost it's right to claim it is the party of law and order by virtue of these observations. Right or wrong, it's just an opinion. That doesn't equal "bigot".


It's one thing to disagree with a group, but intolerance means real action. For example, if bongsaway supported a law that would deny anyone who disagrees with bongsaway the right to vote, that would be intolerance.

So, where is your evidence of intolerance? Where is your evidence of Bigotry?
 
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Not reporting known illegals is harboring them...


Is that what law says? I dunno, why don't you tell us what it says, since undocs bother you so much. Maybe you're right, maybe your wrong.

Undocs don't bother me, and they keep my veggies available, so I dont really care.
 
Dems observe that some republicans don't care if crimes are committed with impunity on undocs, who are mostly hispanic, sometimes referred to as brown people, and dems assert this as being racist. Calling someone a racist doesn't equal being a racist. Calling an African American "black", is not racist.

Therefore, as for your comment, I have no idea what you are taking about.

He thinks that if you recognize that someone is black, then you must hate blacks...……...or something.
 
Let's come back to the xenophobia part, I have a question. Would you like to live in a country where you can be put to death for being gay or put in prison for years and literally whipped thousands of times for being critical of the dominant religion?


It's one thing to ask a question sincerely, a question for which you seek information you need.

But, it's another thing altogether to ask a question whose answer is rather obvious, whose answer you no doubt know, a question which, therefore, is driven by an ulterior motive.

Well, I don't play that game. Or I don't like to without being invited and told up front what is going on.

But, okay, let me see if I can figure out what you are getting at, let's see if I can read your mind, since you don't come out with it,


You are asserting that Russia is xenophobic? But, they are beyond that, they are bigots. ( at least the gov , if you want to call it that, is).


Yes, they are. So? And, why would not wanting to live in such a place have anything to do with the kind of xenophobia which is being displayed by many on the right as evidenced by their incessant dehumanizing and criminalizing undocs, other than some similarities, what is the point of this?


BTW, you ought to just say what you mean, get to your point, rather than hide behind a question whose answer you obviously know, a question with an obvious ulterior motive. Get to your point, is that too much to ask?
 
It's one thing to ask a question sincerely, a question for which you seek information you need.

But, it's another thing altogether to ask a question whose answer is rather obvious, whose answer you no doubt know, a question which, therefore, is driven by an ulterior motive.

Well, I don't play that game. Or I don't like to without being invited and told up front what is going on.

But, okay, let me see if I can figure out what you are getting at, let's see if I can read your mind, since you don't come out with it,

Ah...you won't answer the question. How utterly dishonest and unsurprising of you.
 
Your comparison to a business and an organization that operations off of donations or...wait for it..."gifts" highlights my point for me. Thanks for your support.

Also, WaPo not only sucks as a source but has a paywall so I can't even read their bias narrative to debunk how it's wrong.


I'll disagree with you on the journal that brought down President Nixon via reportage on Watergate, winner of many awards, etc., and the two big MSM's everyone in the arena of politics should subscribe to, whether they like them or not, is WaPo and NYT, simply because these are the two big newspapers referred to most often in the media, by pundits, people in general. These are the biggest. You can't be involved with politics without access to these newspapers.

If that's how you feel, don't waste my time and reply to my comments, posts, threads, etc.


I don't agree with the WSJ, either, but I subscribe to it.
 
Progressives don't support private property rights, in general.
Evidence?
They don't like stores running their business how they see fit,
Evidence?
support things like hate speech laws (against the 1A),
Evidence?
and believe in extreme progressive taxation (back to hating property rights).

Progressive taxation does not equal "hatred" of anything. Specious reasoning.

One thing the left doesn't need is right wing zealots telling us we what we do, or do not believe.
 
I'll disagree with you on the journal that brought down President Nixon via reportage on Watergate, winner of many awards, etc., and the two big MSM's everyone in the arena of politics should subscribe to, whether they like them or not, is WaPo and NYT, simply because these are the two big newspapers referred to most often in the media, by pundits, people in general. These are the biggest. You can't be involved with politics without access to these newspapers.

If that's how you feel, don't waste my time and reply to my comments, posts, threads, etc.


I don't agree with the WSJ, either, but I subscribe to it.

I see you failed to address the point made between charities and business. Also, again, I'd have still read your article to debunk it (if it even had facts to work with) but it has a pay wall. So you'll have to either copy and paste it or find something else.
 
Evidence?
Evidence?

Sweet Cakes Bakery.

Evidence?

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech

"YouGov's latest research shows that many Americans support making it a criminal offense to make public statements which would stir up hatred against particular groups of people. Americans narrowly support (41%) rather than oppose (37%) criminalizing hate speech, but this conceals a partisan divide. Most Democrats (51%) support criminalizing hate speech, with only 26% opposed. Independents (41% to 35%) and Republicans (47% to 37%) tend to oppose making it illegal to stir up hatred against particular groups. "

No where do you think the demographic in the Democrat party compose the greatest support this?

Progressive taxation does not equal "hatred" of anything. Specious reasoning.

One thing the left doesn't need is right wing zealots telling us we what we do, or do not believe.

Of course you hate private property. You see the "eat the rich" type of nonsense among progressives all the time and the hatred towards anyone who is successful is palpable. Ya'll can't stop going on about the 1% and even had your little Occupy Wall Street protest over it.

Your denials are utterly transparent.
 
Those people were supposedly refugees seeking asylum. Have y'all forgotten the difference?

The policy is to hold them in Mexico now. Those released by ICE had not been granted asylum. I see little to no difference between an immigrant who crosses illegally and one who is let into the country after asking for asylum. According to news reports the groups released included some apprehended along the border which sure sounds like illegals. Still how serious is the crime? Political or criminal? For Conservatives the crime is more political than it is criminal.
 
Dems observe that some republicans don't care if crimes are committed with impunity on undocs, who are mostly hispanic, sometimes referred to as brown people, and dems assert this as being racist. Calling someone a racist doesn't equal being a racist. Calling an African American "black", is not racist.

Therefore, as for your comment, I have no idea what you are taking about.

That fact you call them "brown people" rather than who they actually are and make up cute little names for their situation sounds awfully like racism.
 
The policy is to hold them in Mexico now. Those released by ICE had not been granted asylum. I see little to no difference between an immigrant who crosses illegally and one who is let into the country after asking for asylum. According to news reports the groups released included some apprehended along the border which sure sounds like illegals. Still how serious is the crime? Political or criminal? For Conservatives the crime is more political than it is criminal.

Nearly 3/4s of American disagree with your prospective and want action to prevent illegal immigration. Far more than just Conservatives.
 
That fact you call them "brown people" rather than who they actually are and make up cute little names for their situation sounds awfully like racism.

Recognition isn't hate...……...unless you are not very bright, then they appear to be the same. Thanks for letting us know! LMAO!
 
I'm sure getting called "brown people" or "undoc" makes them feel loved.

How dare we recognize they have darker skin? How dare we recognize facts and truth...……...something the republicans are scared of? LMAO! Republicans are either blind or stupid...…...at least that's what they prove and I believe their evidence. LMAO!
 
Nearly 3/4s of American disagree with your prospective and want action to prevent illegal immigration. Far more than just Conservatives.

Well, its quite clear that you can't prove Myview is wrong...……….its why you avoided their comment and posted an incoherent ramble. LMAO!
 
Well, its quite clear that you can't prove Myview is wrong...……….its why you avoided their comment and posted an incoherent ramble. LMAO!

Better watch all that laugh your ass off. You might choke on it.

Tells me you don't even believe the crap you spew.
 
Well, let's take a closer look, not sure you and I are talking about the same thing. Help me understand precisely how you come to this claim of bigotry.
Here is his quote: "You guys long ago lost the right to claim you are the party of law and order."

He was inferring that ALL 'righties' claim that they are the party of law and order from the fact that SOME 'righties' make that claim. That is a logical fallacy known as the compositional error fallacy. IF that fallacy involves people as the class, as this example clearly does, then it is a special form of that fallacy, called bigotry. IF that fallacy involves people as the class AND a genetic trait as the property, then it is a special form of that fallacy, called racism. Racism and bigotry are both logical fallacies. They stem from the compositional error fallacy, as I have described above.

That's why his claim was a bigoted claim.

Bigotry means intolerance of those who do not agree with you or who are not like you, who do not believe as you believe.
No, it doesn't. Intolerance is not bigotry, and has NOTHING to do with bigotry. You can even be tolerant of a person and STILL make a bigoted claim about them. Bigotry is a logical fallacy, as I have described above. Bigotry is defined by Logic, not by any dictionary nor 'holy link'.

Intolerance, i.e., 'bigotry' means a lot more than just disagreeing with someone, it means you are willing to take action against those people, legally or illegally.
The willingness or non-willingness to 'take action' against someone is irrelevant. Bigotry is bigotry, regardless of one's actions/motives/tolerance/etc... Bigotry is an error of logic (a logical fallacy).

For example, if you are a hot dog vendor and you refuse to serve a republican because you don't like republicans, you then rise to the level of being a bigot, not just disagreeing with them, but taking action against them, that is intolerance.
Yes, your example is an example of bigotry, but not for the reason you think it is. The bigotry in this case has NOTHING to do with that person's "intolerance" or "dislike" towards Republicans, nor their action to not serve them. The bigotry here is because this person is inferring that {insert truth claim here} is true for THE WHOLE [all Republicans] from the fact that it happens to be true for some PART of the whole [some Republicans, a particular type of Republican, etc.] ... That is a compositional error fallacy involving people as the class. That is what bigotry is... If he were to involve a genetic trait of some sort, then he would also be a racist.

Where is the intolerance you are referring to?
There doesn't need to be any. See my arguments above.

Bongsaway, no doubt, by observing the right's support of Trump, who is breaking laws ( okay, not indicted or convicted, but he was listed as co-conspirator in one specific crime, this much we do know ), by the rights support of Roy Moore, and a few others of this ilk, made a general statement that the right lost it's right to claim it is the party of law and order by virtue of these observations. Right or wrong, it's just an opinion. That doesn't equal "bigot".
And now YOU are making several bigoted claims... Not all of the right supports Trump (see the "Never Trumpers"), not all of the right supported Roy Moore (some wanted him to drop out), and not all Republicans think that only they support law and order (which itself would be a bigoted position to take)...

I'm not interested in YOUR bigotry either...

It's one thing to disagree with a group, but intolerance means real action. For example, if bongsaway supported a law that would deny anyone who disagrees with bongsaway the right to vote, that would be intolerance.
He would also be supporting a law that would be unconstitutional...

So, where is your evidence of intolerance? Where is your evidence of Bigotry?
See above. You don't understand what bigotry actually is, nor where the definition for bigotry stems from.
 
Is that what law says? I dunno, why don't you tell us what it says, since undocs bother you so much. Maybe you're right, maybe your wrong.

Undocs don't bother me, and they keep my veggies available, so I dont really care.

Illegal Immigrants aren't necessary to keep your veggies available. American citizens can be hired instead. I like how you refuse to call them what they actually are.
 
Sanctuary cities are just local law enforcement deciding not to expend limited resources doing the Feds' job for them. You like unfunded mandates now?

No, it is local law enforcement hindering the federal government from doing their job.

What does it cost to call ICE and report a criminal illegal alien will be ready for pickup at X hour?
 
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