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Intel chief: North Korea 'unlikely to give up its nuclear weapons'

As for the original post, I think it's highly unlikely there will be a North Korean denuclearization in the sense Trump and others may want. Nuclear weapons have proven to be deterrents for the nations that have them, so to give up that leverage seems unlikely. Being willing to curb production and build trust among other nations that North Korea won't be a threat seems much more realistic. What was telling to me was the North Koreans didn't come to the table with a plan and requirements of their own to help what denuclearization meant to them; this would have helped build credence in their sincerity. The agreements they signed were pretty vague and didn't outline what concrete next steps could start paving the way to not only diffusing tensions, but working toward sustainable peace. In essence all that's come out of the meeting was agreeing to meet, but with no definitive agenda.
 
KevinKohler said:
Denuclearization was never a possibility, imo. What we need to focus on are the people themselves. Open internet. Let them see the outside world.
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In your dreams. The only ones with access to open internet are the professional meddlers, Kim & a select group of party elite.
 
ElChupacabra said:
As for the original post, I think it's highly unlikely there will be a North Korean denuclearization in the sense Trump and others may want. Nuclear weapons have proven to be deterrents for the nations that have them, so to give up that leverage seems unlikely. Being willing to curb production and build trust among other nations that North Korea won't be a threat seems much more realistic. What was telling to me was the North Koreans didn't come to the table with a plan and requirements of their own to help what denuclearization meant to them; this would have helped build credence in their sincerity. The agreements they signed were pretty vague and didn't outline what concrete next steps could start paving the way to not only diffusing tensions, but working toward sustainable peace. In essence all that's come out of the meeting was agreeing to meet, but with no definitive agenda.
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For Kim to give up his nukes would for him to admit weakness & vulnerability. Not going to happen.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://thehill.com/policy/national...korea-unlikely-to-give-up-its-nuclear-weapons

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats on Tuesday threw cold water on the idea that North Korea will fully get rid of nuclear weapon stockpiles, stating that the country views these capabilities as key to their survival.

"We currently assess that North Korea will seek to retain its [Weapons of Mass Destruction] capabilities," Coats told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee during the panel's worldwide threats hearing.
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So much for The Donald's photo ops with Kim. Net result = 0.
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"We currently assess that North Korea will seek to retain its [Weapons of Mass Destruction] capabilities.


Didn't see "will never give up" in there anywhere.


More of the TDS left desperate need for BAD NEWS.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://thehill.com/policy/national...korea-unlikely-to-give-up-its-nuclear-weapons

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats on Tuesday threw cold water on the idea that North Korea will fully get rid of nuclear weapon stockpiles, stating that the country views these capabilities as key to their survival.

"We currently assess that North Korea will seek to retain its [Weapons of Mass Destruction] capabilities," Coats told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee during the panel's worldwide threats hearing.
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So much for The Donald's photo ops with Kim. Net result = 0.
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Don't you even see the Kabuki theater that is being played for people like you?!?

One week - think about it! - before Trump gives his SOTU speech, the Senate Intelligence Committee arranges for a hearing to have scripted doom-and-gloom under the Trump administration read to us by the heads of the FBI, CIA, National Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, NSA and NGA.

Each one of them has been called out by Trump, and not exactly with flattering words. And that includes Wray (FBI).

There is not a single Trump supporter on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Coats didn't even know what he was talking about because he had pronunciation problems on the stuff he was reading.


Kabuki theater. (grin)
 
Praxas said:
Yep and as I said, classified. That doesn't mean you have to go on a praising tour with a dictator like Trump did. Are you saying he was FORCED to praise a dictator? Let's see your evidence of that.



There is NO reason to PRAISE a dictator like Kim, NONE. I can understand the "neutral" take on things, but what Trump did wasn't neutral. He flat out LIED to the American people saying Kim was a good guy and could be trusted. NOONE forced Trump to say those praises of a brutal dictator. And yet again, Trump praises publicly a brutal dictator while insulting American federal agencies, politicians, and other people. So tell me how that is "diplomatic"?



Well you sure aren't doing this in THIS case and have yet to explain why you think it is ok for Trump to PRAISE a brutal dictator while insulting numerous American people and allies.
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Do you think diplomats always say neutral things? No they don't. Diplomacy is a mixture of neutral and kissing ass, IE: Praising. Even when they despise the people. It's done as a way of opening dialogue or keeping it going.

Now, unless you want to keep things as they were prior to Trump, which has not worked, or you want to go to war with NK, why not give a shot at this?

Personally, since what was going on wasn't working AND I don't want the US involved in yet ANOTHER war, I have no problem with Trump praising Kim in order to try and get things done. I understand the point in it. Your view on not ever praising a brutal dictator is short sighted if you want things to change. You DO want things to change between NK and the US don't you? Wouldn't it be nice if things weren't so tense between our countries?

As for criticizing Trump, as I've said before, he's a ego driven braggart that has a very uncouth way of going about doing things.

Kal'Stang said:
:shrug: It's Trump. He's always been a braggart with an ego the size of Texas.
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Kal'Stang said:
Shortened quote due to 5k character limit.



Not going to click on every single link there. However I find it funny that you consider polls of what people think of Trump as proof of whatever you consider as flaws in Trump himself. Also, one of the links that I did click on didn't even mention Trump. Funny thing is I can name some flaws in Trump which don't require that I use sources that don't even mention Trump. Such as him being a braggart and has a huge ego that gets the better of him.
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Kal'Stang said:
Sad thing is that there are plenty of valid reasons to criticize Trump. He is after all a braggart of the worst sort. I can understand being against his immigration policies (even if I don't agree with why they're against them). I can understand being against his light touch towards Russia and his childishness towards NK. But to make **** up like whats in this thread or bitch and moan about him having two scoops of ice cream? I find it stupid and counter productive.
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Kal'Stang said:
Do you think diplomats always say neutral things? No they don't. Diplomacy is a mixture of neutral and kissing ass, IE: Praising. Even when they despise the people. It's done as a way of opening dialogue or keeping it going.

Now, unless you want to keep things as they were prior to Trump, which has not worked, or you want to go to war with NK, why not give a shot at this?

Personally, since what was going on wasn't working AND I don't want the US involved in yet ANOTHER war, I have no problem with Trump praising Kim in order to try and get things done. I understand the point in it. Your view on not ever praising a brutal dictator is short sighted if you want things to change. You DO want things to change between NK and the US don't you? Wouldn't it be nice if things weren't so tense between our countries?

As for criticizing Trump, as I've said before, he's a ego driven braggart that has a very uncouth way of going about doing things.
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Yep…"Carrot and Stick"....
 
Grokmaster said:
Yep…"Carrot and Stick"....
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Seems like all carrot, no stick:

Team Trump quietly filling 'pot of gold' encouraging Kim Jong-un to denuclearize

The Trump administration is quietly preparing a special “economic package” designed to entice North Korean leader Kim Jong-un into taking specific steps toward dismantling his nuclear weapons program when he and President Trump meet for their highly anticipated second summit.

The initiative, spearheaded by Special Representative for North Korea Stephen Biegun, has already been touted in private working-level talks with the North Koreans and involves creating a kind of escrow account to prove to Mr. Kim that the U.S. and its allies are truly committed to rewarding Pyongyang economically if it comes through on denuclearization, The Washington Times has learned.

:lamo
 
Praxas said:
So when Trump said we could Trust Kim and that he was a good guy and we could believe him, Trump was either:

A: Gullible
B: Lying

Which one?
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Both but he doesn't really care. It was a photo op that he thought would make him look good that's all. Mission accomplished, nuclear threat diminished because I donald the great am the only one who can make me look like an idiot.
 
Kal'Stang said:
At least he tried. :shrug: What did Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and Obama do?
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He tried nothing but for a photo op and PR. For his own self-aggrandizement. See: commemorative coins :roll:

Exactly what hardline talking points...or any deals...did he he try to convince Un with? That hadnt been tried before?
 
Praxas said:
Nope I was stationed on the Korean Peninsula for over 6 years of my service when I was in. He has done nothing to indicate he is any different than his father or grandfather. Just because something is different, doesn't mean it is better to try. I know that I will cut myself on a moving saw, so I know not to put my hand into it. His advisers even told him not to do that and he ignored them all for a photo op. You have just demonstrated that you will defend ANYTHING Trump does no matter how much damage it causes. Sad that you are unable to actual process the damage Trump has done in this situation but not surprised.
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No ****. He actually gave Un some legitimacy with his visit. :doh
 
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