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[W:435]*******Native American Vietnam Veteran Speaks Out After MAGA Hat-Wearing Teens Harass Him

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MovingPictures said:
Not shocking that our resident "muh free speech!" warrior, doesn't give two ****s about a clear example of some MAGAbillies trying to harass somebody of their own freedom of expression.
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Of course it is not "shocking." :roll:

I have ALWAYS argued for acceptance of non-violent freedom of expression, whether I agree with it or not.

In fact, the protection was designed for the kind of non-violent expression many if not most people may not agree with.

IMO the rampant hypocrisy in most of the thread responses regarding freedom of expression only "when I agree with it" is very telling. :coffeepap:
 
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Serenity said:
Great post. Thank you.

I went through the Catholic Ed system too, from reception right up until my final year in HS when I transferred to a public school. I do have some very fond memories of my time there. They certainly never taught intolerance or anything I would consider bigoted or hateful.
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The only thing I missed in Catholic High School, was the girls! ;)
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Of course you don't, since you and other's have come to equate a "MAGA" hat as the equivalent of wearing a "swastika" armband.

That's been the Left's narrative all along. Anyone who supports Trump is a racist, sexist, deplorable, etc.

Everyone who opposes him represents truth, justice, and the socialist way.

I have always supported non-violent freedom of expression, whether I agree with it or not.

Your side seems to like freedom of expression ONLY when it agrees with your narratives.

I am not buying it. :shrug:
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You're like a broken record.

You're side is so caught up in its own PR that it thinks if it attaches the word 'freedom' to something, it makes their cause noble, and their opinions right. Anybody who disagrees in any regard is a "SJW", "politically correct!", a "snowflake", a "socialist", etc, and blah blah blah.

You don't see that these kids were trying to intimidate this man and were mocking his culture? I hope you realize (though you probably don't) that few people here buy that.

You see it, but you don't want to have to take a moral stand against it, because the offenders in question are MAGA boys, so they are given a pass in your camp.

And that's the thing. You really revealed once and for all that you are NOT a libertarian. You're clearly a card carrying conservative, who uses those labels to avoid ever having to take responsibility for what you truly believe, and to not have to be transparent about which side your ideological investments clearly are.

Give it up.
 
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Chomsky said:
Thanks!

But I wish I could have edited a line in the closing paragraph from:

"We Catholics are no longer the newly arrived minority guys, on the lower rungs of the totem poll."

To:

"We European derived Catholics are no longer the newly arrived minority guys, on the lower rungs of the totem poll."

Oh well ...
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Catholics never were.
 
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Fletch said:
Theyre teen age kids acting like teen age kids. As for the stupid racism card, had this guy done the same thing in front of a group of black high school students, how do you think that would have gone?
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The report I saw said initially there was some sort of confrontation with a group of black youths and these kids. This man stepped in between to try and calm the waters.
 
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MovingPictures said:
You're like a broken record.

You're side is so caught up in its own PR that it thinks if it attaches the word 'freedom' to something, it makes their cause noble, and their opinions right. Anybody who disagrees in any regard is a "SJW", "politically correct!", a "snowflake", a "socialist", etc, and blah blah blah.

You don't see that these kids were trying to intimidate this man and were mocking his culture? I hope you realize (though you probably don't) that few people here buy that.

You see it, but you don't want to have to take a moral stand against it, because the offenders in question are MAGA boys, so they are given pass in your camp.

And that the thing. You really revealed once and for all that you are NOT a libertarian. You're clearly a card carrying conservative, who uses those labels to avoid ever having to take responsibility for what you truly believe, and to not have to be transparent about which side your ideological investments clearly are.

Give it up.
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Holy crap! :lamo

And your side doesn't see freedom as a noble cause.
 
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Fletch said:
Do think these kids new the words??? What the hell is wrong with you? This dope walked into a crowd of kids banging a drum and chanting. What sort of reaction did he expect? Tell you what, you go get yourself a drum and walk into the middle of a group of kids and start chanting and come back and tell me what the reaction was.
Nothing happened here except moronic liberals getting their panties in a bunch.
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Yes, the kids didn't know the words so they figured he was saying "Build The Wall" in Navajo and decided to just chime in.

"This dope" walked into a crowd of kids? No. They were having their own gathering and the kids found them. Why do you feel the need to be so blatantly dishonest?

Also, why is this guy a "dope"? Please tell me what he did wrong.
 
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Fletch said:
You dont do a very good job of that either.
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Pretty sure I've been throwing you around like a rag doll in this thread, although that's really picking low-hanging fruit.
 
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apdst said:
Stop with the irony! :lamo
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I don't think you know what irony means. Go have a milkshake or something. Just make sure it's not vanilla if you plan on driving.
 
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apdst said:
Holy crap! :lamo

And your side doesn't see freedom as a noble cause.
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0/10. Not good.
 
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MovingPictures said:
You're like a broken record.

You're side is so caught up in its own PR that it thinks if it attaches the word 'freedom' to something, it makes their cause noble, and their opinions right. Anybody who disagrees in any regard is a "SJW", "politically correct!", a "snowflake", a "socialist", etc, and blah blah blah.

You don't see that these kids were trying to intimidate this man and were mocking his culture? I hope you realize (though you probably don't) that few people here buy that.

You see it, but you don't want to have to take a moral stand against it, because the offenders in question are MAGA boys, so they are given a pass in your camp.

And that's the thing. You really revealed once and for all that you are NOT a libertarian. You're clearly a card carrying conservative, who uses those labels to avoid ever having to take responsibility for what you truly believe, and to not have to be transparent about which side your ideological investments clearly are.

Give it up.
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This is why I so often STOP responding; people like yourself telling ME what I do and don't believe or mean. :doh

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't mean anything except that you have a right to your own opinion.

But the hubris of people like yourself making blanket statements as to who and what someone else is, or what they do or do not believe merely from some posts you don't agree with? Especially in an anonymous Forum like this?

I've made an exception in this thread just to test the waters again, and I find that my tagline and my stated reasons for doing so remain as true now as they ever were. :coffeepap:
 
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Kobie said:
I don't think you know what irony means. Go have a milkshake or something. Just make sure it's not vanilla if you plan on driving.
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You're exemplifying irony, right now. Last posts before you leave again?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Of course it is not "shocking." :roll:

I have ALWAYS argued for acceptance of non-violent freedom of expression, whether I agree with it or not.

In fact, the protection was designed for the kind of non-violent expression many if not most people may not agree with.

IMO the rampant hypocrisy in most of the thread responses regarding freedom of expression only "when I agree with it" is very telling. :coffeepap:
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Again, you're taking about yourself and projecting.

You're trying to shift this discussion into another one of derails about "freedom of speech!", but I'm not having it.

YOU said you didn't see "any intimidation from the kids". Those were your words, wanna pretend you didn't say them? Just admit it. You only care about threats to free expression when it's from people you politically oppose.
 
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MovingPictures said:
Again, you're taking about yourself and projecting.

You're trying to shift this discussion into another one of derails about "freedom of speech!", but I'm not having it.

YOU said you didn't see "any intimidation from the kids". Those were your words, wanna pretend you didn't say them? Just admit it. You only care about threats to free expression when it's from the left.
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No, YOU'RE making him the topic.
 
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Kobie said:
You are really bad at this.
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I don't use insults that are 5 years old. :lamo
 
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apdst said:
I don't use insults that are 5 years old. :lamo
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You got a like for that weak-ass post?

Well, it was from Captain Adverse, so I guess that makes sense.

When I got home today, I already knew about this story and I was thinking to myself "who are the people who are going to defend these little shits for this," and I wasn't wrong. The usual suspects.
 
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Kobie said:
You got a like for that weak-ass post?

Well, it was from Captain Adverse, so I guess that makes sense.

When I got home today, I already knew about this story and I was thinking to myself "who are the people who are going to defend these little shits for this," and I wasn't wrong. The usual suspects.
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If you believed that I'll defend free speech at every oppurtunity, then you're a lot smarter than I thought.

Why am I not surprised, though, that Leftists don't hold freedom of speech in the same high regard? Liberals can't be trusted with our rights.
 
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Fletch said:
Theyre teen age kids acting like teen age kids. As for the stupid racism card, had this guy done the same thing in front of a group of black high school students, how do you think that would have gone?
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I highly doubt a group of black high school student would be chanting "Build that Wall" to a Native American. But it is quite revealing in your white bread world that all blacks are confrontational.


Yes, indeed these students were racists. But totally clueless in chanting at Native Americans. I guess that clueless gene stays with the Republicans their whole life.
 
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Respect and common courtesy are going the way of the dinosaurs. All that matter is if they are breaking the law. As long as kids aren’t hurting anyone why should we care how they behave to their fellow man?

If my teenage son stared an older person down like that I would have smacked that smirk right off his face.
 
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Chomsky said:
Meh. When it comes to things MAGA, few of us are buying the excuse "it's not illegal", anymore.

A better defense might be that the kid was naively mocking the guy, which is indeed possible. Maybe the hat was simply a coincidence unrelated to the actions.
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Captain Adverse said:
Of course you don't, since you and other's have come to equate a "MAGA" hat as the equivalent of wearing a "swastika" armband.

That's been the Left's narrative all along. Anyone who supports Trump is a racist, sexist, deplorable, etc.

Everyone who opposes him represents truth, justice, and the socialist way.

I have always supported non-violent freedom of expression, whether I agree with it or not.

Your side seems to like freedom of expression ONLY when it agrees with your narratives.

I am not buying it. :shrug:
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MovingPictures said:
You're like a broken record.

You're side is so caught up in its own PR that it thinks if it attaches the word 'freedom' to something, it makes their cause noble, and their opinions right. Anybody who disagrees in any regard is a "SJW", "politically correct!", a "snowflake", a "socialist", etc, and blah blah blah.

You don't see that these kids were trying to intimidate this man and were mocking his culture? I hope you realize (though you probably don't) that few people here buy that.

You see it, but you don't want to have to take a moral stand against it, because the offenders in question are MAGA boys, so they are given a pass in your camp.

And that's the thing. You really revealed once and for all that you are NOT a libertarian. You're clearly a card carrying conservative, who uses those labels to avoid ever having to take responsibility for what you truly believe, and to not have to be transparent about which side your ideological investments clearly are.

Give it up.
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Captain Adverse said:
This is why I so often STOP responding; people like yourself telling ME what I do and don't believe or mean. :doh

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't mean anything except that you have a right to your own opinion.

But the hubris of people like yourself making blanket statements as to who and what someone else is, or what they do or do not believe merely from some posts you don't agree with? Especially in an anonymous Forum like this?

I've made an exception in this thread just to test the waters again, and I find that my tagline and my stated reasons for doing so remain as true now as they ever were. :coffeepap:
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Again, you did not respond to his substantive points. True, they were put sharply. But you ignored them.

So lets's review.

1. He claims that when Chomsky pointed out the base that believes Trump's public defense is shrinking, that Chomsky was actually only saying that because he "equate a "MAGA" hat as the equivalent of wearing a "swastika" armband."

2. Captain A then makes up an opinion and projects it onto the entirety of people....of people like Chomsky? Of liberals? Well, onto a vast see of foes at any rate.

3. Someone else takes aim at Captain A's effort to generalize his ideological opponents down to a straw, but does indeed snap (rightfully) at the crapulence of his post.

4. You then complain about the hubris of "people like yourself making blanket statements as to who and what someone else is." You were literally just telling Chomsky what he supposedly thought. You were telling him that "the left" thought the same thing.
 
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apdst said:
You all would beat up a kid for looking at you the wrong way?
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You must have been a ****ty father if you think this behavior from a child is appropriate.
 
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CriticalThought said:
You must have been a ****ty father if you think this behavior from a child is appropriate.
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Wow! :lamo
 
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