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Why can’t Trump make deals? No one trusts him anymore

markjs said:
Could it be that your boy was always PATHETIC AND WEAK and an EPICALLY BAD NEGOTIATOR, oh yeah, it is like that, ain't it?:lamo

Oh well, you're not getting a wall, even if he wasn't a washout, deal with it.:lamo
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The thing is Trump is an aggressive zero sum negotiator. That might work in situations were you can just go ahead and get another investor if the first one says ' no deal', but that is not how things are in government. Things 1) don't have to be zeros sum. There does not have to be a 'WIN LOSE' situation, it can be a win win, or a compromise. The concept is foreign to him.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Takes two to tango.

Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating. Where has Nancy been? Hawaii, trying to skate out to various countries...etc. Oh...and she flat out said "No".
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whatabout

whatabout

WHAT ABOUT!?





:roll:
 
Mycroft said:
It's not him holding anyone hostage.
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Trump is the one person who can restart the government and get government workers paid. That makes him singularly responsible for the stress and suffering of nearly 1 million Americans.

If he lasts long enough to run for re-election, this self imposed misery will be used against him, as it should be.


Bullseye said:
Bass ackwords - You can't make deals with ghosts and dems refuse to appear and negotiate.
IF your beloved Dems cared they'd make an effort to negotiate rather than try to escape the country on a junket at the people's expense.
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Typical Bullseye BS.
 
Bullseye said:
Bass ackwords - You can't make deals with ghosts and dems refuse to appear and negotiate.
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The last time the Dems went to the White House, Trump said "Bye-bye" and left.

That's not quite the art of any deal.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The last time the Dems went to the White House, Trump said "Bye-bye" and left.

That's not quite the art of any deal.
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He gave them candy, then threw a temper tantrum. It's negotiation as understood by a 4-year-old.
 
bongsaway said:
Saying I want five billion for my wall and if not I'm not signing anything is not an offer.
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Yeah. Sounds like you ascribe to the Chuck and Nancy school of negotiation.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The last time the Dems went to the White House, Trump said "Bye-bye" and left.

That's not quite the art of any deal.
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Saying "Bye-bye" and leaving is what you do when the other person tells you "No".
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah. Sounds like you ascribe to the Chuck and Nancy school of negotiation.
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I subscribe to the democratic notion of negotiating. Trump shut down the government not the democrats and no amount of verbal twisting will change that fact.

We'll all see who's on the losing end of this when the 2020 elections come around.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Why can’t Trump make deals? No one trusts him anymore

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The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.
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Why make a deal with Pelosi or Mueller. He is slowly beating them both.
 
Mycroft said:
If you agree that she should not negotiate, then don't complain if nobody makes a deal.

You can't have it both ways.

btw, the Democrats have a record of saying, "Give us what we want first and then we'll give you what you want." It's a terrible record. They renege every time. So, "Reopen the government, then negotiate." won't fly.
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That’s essentially what Trump is saying. “Give me the wall, and then I’ll reopen government”.

When you are in a strong position with a weak negotiating partner, you can make such a demand.

The Democratic House is not a weak partner, so when you try this...you get impasse.

My problems with acceding to Trump’s wall...we don’t know what it is...it’s not been defined.

Also, absent substantive policy to address the root causes of illegal immigration, it just makes the border more dangerous, not less.

Finally, it would take years to realize...what should we do until then?

This is why the proper solution is opening the government and doing substantive comprehensive reform.
 
Mycroft said:
Saying "Bye-bye" and leaving is what you do when the other person tells you "No".
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The fat boy with a bad comb-over who brags about being a "Great Dealmaker" starts showing Chuck and Nancy the dealmaker magic.

Con men like President Hamberders just get up and leave.
 
bongsaway said:
I subscribe to the democratic notion of negotiating. Trump shut down the government not the democrats and no amount of verbal twisting will change that fact.

We'll all see who's on the losing end of this when the 2020 elections come around.
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The "democratic notion of negotiating"...just say no and try to run out of the country.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The fat boy with a bad comb-over who brags about being a "Great Dealmaker" starts showing Chuck and Nancy the dealmaker magic.

Con men like President Hamberders just get up and leave.
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The lady with the botox face and the guy who can't stand up straight and look you in the eye have only two tactics: Say no and get out of town.
 
Mycroft said:
The "democratic notion of negotiating"...just say no and try to run out of the country.
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Let's face it, the rights idea of negotiating is give trump what he wants for being responsible for shutting down the government. He also left the country during the shutdown and had no problem letting his wife fly on a taxpayer paid flight. What will the right do if trump is proven guilty? Let me guess, it's the corrupt FBI, all the haters on the left, fake news, a vendetta, deep state plot and on and on.
 
bongsaway said:
~snipped the blah, blah, blah~

What will the right do if trump is proven guilty? Let me guess, it's the corrupt FBI, all the haters on the left, fake news, a vendetta, deep state plot and on and on.
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I don't know what the right will do. I only speak for myself.

At this point, I won't do anything but advise you to not get into the habit of counting your chickens.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The last time the Dems went to the White House, Trump said "Bye-bye" and left.

That's not quite the art of any deal.
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Well, you left out a few minor details, such as the Dems saying they weren't interesting in making a deal. That was a while back, just this week Trump invited congress people from both parties to discuss the issue - dems didn't show up. Hard to negotiate which empty chairs.
 
Bullseye said:
Well, you left out a few minor details, such as the Dems saying they weren't interesting in making a deal. That was a while back, just this week Trump invited congress people from both parties to discuss the issue - dems didn't show up. Hard to negotiate which empty chairs.
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a) Trump didn’t want to deal...he wanted them to give him what he wanted.
b) He invited the Dems during a Ways and Means vote he knew they would never miss.
 
JayJay said:
a) Trump didn’t want to deal...he wanted them to give him what he wanted.
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LOL, which is why he stayed in DC while Nancy vacationed in Hawaii. :roll:
JayJay said:
b) He invited the Dems during a Ways and Means vote he knew they would never miss.
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and there are no republicans on Ways and Means? :bs
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Takes two to tango.

Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating. Where has Nancy been? Hawaii, trying to skate out to various countries...etc. Oh...and she flat out said "No".
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You didn't read the OP? You cannot negotiate with the man-child. You cannot get a commitment that you can depend on. You cannot build any trust that what you heard today at 12:30 will still matter tomorrow morning. His handshake is worthless. he promises are worthless. Even his signature at the bottom of a legal contract is worthless. That is the man's history.


So the Dems can only negotiate with the republicans in Congress, but they won't negotiate in good faith without Trump taking the lead, because they have all been burned by the reality described in the above paragraph when they tried to get the same man to mean what he says for longer than it takes for Rush Limbaugh to call.

The fact Trump is sitting and waiting does not make him a more reliable partner to enter negotiations with, or finalize a deal with.

He is a liar, and a cheater and an amoral spoiled tot. Who cares where he is during the shutdown.
 
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btthegreat said:
You didn't read the OP? You cannot negotiate with the man-child. You cannot get a commitment that you can depend on. You cannot build any trust that what you heard today at 12:30 will still matter tomorrow morning. His handshake is worthless. he promises are worthless. Even his signature at the bottom of a legal contract is worthless. That is the man's history.


So the Dems can only negotiate with the republicans in Congress, but they won't negotiate in good faith without Trump taking the lead, because they have all been burned by the reality described in the above paragraph when they tried to get the same man to mean what he says for longer than it takes for Rush Limbaugh to call.

The fact Trump is sitting and waiting does not make him a more reliable partner to enter negotiations with, or finalize a deal with.

He is a liar, and a cheater and an amoral spoiled tot. Who cares where he is during the shutdown.
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Nancy isn't talking to the Republicans in Congress, either. It's that "no" thing.

Sorry, you really do not have any justification to make Pelosi the good guy here when she answers the offer to negotiate with a resounding no and when she leaves town.

Meanwhile, people aren't getting paid.
 
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Bullseye said:
LOL, which is why he stayed in DC while Nancy vacationed in Hawaii. :roll:
and there are no republicans on Ways and Means? :bs
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These answers are meaningless.

Who cares where Trump is? That doesn’t show he’s willing to deal. And who cares if there are GOP members on Ways and Means?
 
Mycroft said:
Nancy isn't talking to the Republicans in Congress, either. It's that "no" thing.

Sorry, you really do not have any justification to make Pelosi the good guy here when she answers the offer to negotiate with a resounding no and when she leaves town.

Meanwhile, people aren't getting paid.
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While there are no “good guys”, the fact is there is a bipartisan spending bill right now that would pass with veto-proof majorities, and Mitch McConnell is holding it up.

More Americans agree with Pelosi than Trump, yet Trump and McConnell are gumming up the works.

So this would be over if certain Republican members in Congress remembered they were a separate and equal branch of government.
 
JayJay said:
While there are no “good guys”, the fact is there is a bipartisan spending bill right now that would pass with veto-proof majorities, and Mitch McConnell is holding it up.

More Americans agree with Pelosi than Trump, yet Trump and McConnell are gumming up the works.

So this would be over if certain Republican members in Congress remembered they were a separate and equal branch of government.
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That's a plain ass lie, did your propaganda sources tell you that
 
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