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Is This The End? Trump Suborned Perjury With Michael Cohen's Testimony to Congress

lulubee said:
It’s going to take several more months, but the end is near. And Donald has done way worse things than just suborning perjury.

February 7th, when Cohen testifies in front of the House Committee Oversight Committee is going to be very informative.

Oh, and Mueller knows everything.


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This is true story.

A lot of folks will be a bit surprised at the lack of movement among Senate Republicans even if it's manifest that the President suborned perjury. There is much worse out there. And it will come out.

The reality is that over 40 members of the Senate proved they are charter members in the Fifth Avenue Club with their vote on the Deripaska sanctions. It will take worse than this to move them. Indeed, they may be so invested in this President, that they are virtually intractable.

Time will tell.
 
calamity said:
lol...well, then that means you already know Trump is guilty. You know because he lies all the time.
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WHOAAAAAA !!!
Bazinga!

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ludin said:
If they didn't remove clinton over perjury they will not remove trump.
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Indeed. That will be the argument. Yet, there is a material difference between perjury to save oneself and suborning perjury.

It will be interesting to see if RICO violations come into to play with Mr. Mueller's investigation, evidence, and conclusions.
 
GDViking said:
Hey everyone remembers the top ten presidents,

and everyone remembers the bottom three.

Trump has no chance of being the best so he is setting his sites on being so very bad that no o e will ever active the level of failure he has...
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Well it's clearly Nancy Pelosi's fault!:roll:
 
Mycroft said:
Yes. I wait for facts.
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Ah. Facts like Trump engaging in a criminal conspiracy with Michael Cohen and David Pecker to illegally effect the outcome of the 2016 election in Trump's favor? Those are facts, as sworn into the record by Prosecutors appointed by Trump himself in the SDNY, accepted and agreed upon by a Federal Judge. Those kind of facts are more up your alley, yes?
 
Mycroft said:
Little to compare with? LOL!!

I think you are putting truth to my Sig.
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Yes, little to compare with, as there has never been someone like Donald Trump as the head of the Democratic Party.

And I'd wager I've been a conservative longer than you have, and likely on most issues am substantially more conservative than you. Don't presume to believe that all people who see Donald Trump for the corrupt, immoral, unethical conman that he is are all liberal.
 
hanger4 said:
Bill Clinton did the same, subornation of perjury, it wasn't his end, why would this be any different ??
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It depends on if you want to discuss this from a political perspective or a legal perspective. And no, Clinton did not suborn perjury. He committed perjury. There is a difference. And both are actually obstruction of justice. And Clinton's obstruction of justice, as with Richard Nixon, were outlined in the articles of impeachment. So, it is safe to assume you believe articles of impeachment should now be drafted for Trump?
 
NebraskaFtball said:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation





Reporting done by renowned investigative journalist Jason Leopold informs us that Donald Trump personally instructed Cohen to lie to Congress. And this is not just a he said-he said situation. There is corroborating evidence that the SCO possesses that back up and confirm this to be the case. Trump sought to have Cohen suborn perjury in order to obscure his involvement with Russia.

According to Bill Barr, who will likely be the next AG, any effort by a President to suborn perjury is absolutely Obstruction of Justice, as stated in his confirmation hearing.



This is bad. Really, really bad for Trump and his children. It appears as if not only Trump Sr. has committed a High Crime and broken the oath of office, but his adult children are also in serious legal jeopardy as well.

So to all of you Trump supporters, do you care that Trump obstructed justice and ordered his personal attorney to lie to Congress? Is it starting to sink in yet just how much trouble Trump is in? Or how corrupt this man truly is to his core?

And on the heels of this report, the Democratic-led House via the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee are both launching investigations into this aspect of these revelations. With Mr. Cohen set to publicly testify February 7th, the stakes are as high as ever now for the Criminal-in-Chief.
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And now, Buzzfeed is crawfishing.

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01...ctually-seen-evidence-trump-suborned-perjury/
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Ah. Facts like Trump engaging in a criminal conspiracy with Michael Cohen and David Pecker to illegally effect the outcome of the 2016 election in Trump's favor? Those are facts, as sworn into the record by Prosecutors appointed by Trump himself in the SDNY, accepted and agreed upon by a Federal Judge. Those kind of facts are more up your alley, yes?
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That "fact" was never tested in court. That means it's nothing more than an allegation. That Cohen says he did it means nothing...especially since he's a confirmed liar.

Show me the proof. Heck, just show me some evidence.
 
Praxas said:
Here’s the thing, yes it is really bad for Trump IF they can prove Cohen’s claims to be true. Remember this is Cohen who has already lied many times and Mueller is not going to go by Cohens comments alone. Now if Cohen has tapes of it that is another story but I’m thinking not. Right now this is Cohens word against trump and as much as I dispise Trump, Cohens word right now is **** without any evidence.
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I think they thought a blocked number was actually "invisible". So they may have been stupid enough to use email or text messages too.

It would only take one.

So stupid may take trump down.

Which would be fitting.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Yes, little to compare with, as there has never been someone like Donald Trump as the head of the Democratic Party.

And I'd wager I've been a conservative longer than you have, and likely on most issues am substantially more conservative than you. Don't presume to believe that all people who see Donald Trump for the corrupt, immoral, unethical conman that he is are all liberal.
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Thanks, but I'll decline your invitation to measure the size of our...conservatism.

But, I should remind you what we are talking about here so you don't move your own goal posts around the field.

"...the vast majority of the Republicans in the Senate believe in party first, personal political power second, country a distant third. Maybe interchange the first two even."

We certainly do have a lot of Dem Senators to compare to those Republicans you speak of.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Well, for me, the reason WHY I clarified with "right now" is because I remember watching the exodus of the other wings of the Republican Party in 2010, 2014 and 2016.
The first exodus was the so called "liberal" wing of the Republican Party, sometimes known as Eisenhower or Rockefeller Republicans, however it is with no small amount of shock that I also recall Goldwater's 1996 note to Bob Dole, in which he exclaimed, "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"
Perhaps the first stirrings of what we see now started all the way back then?

Anyway, in 2010, the Tea Party ousted what they liked to term "RINO's" and cast them as traitors, and so the liberal wing of the party were given their walking papers. Then in 2014, the alt-Right began flexing its muscle and together, with the Freedom Caucus, the moderates were cast out.

The last vestiges, or almost the last vestiges, were frog marched out in the 2016 election, although somehow John "Maverick" McCain survived it all and only death itself was able to dislodge him from his seat. However one might also recall that a great many of today's Trump Republicans spat on his grave.

Today, there IS NO Republican Party without absolute and total fealty to Donald Trump. Trump isn't just the face OF the Republican Party, he IS the Republican Party itself.
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A very good historical accounting of the party's transition. I'd add another layer, that Newt Gingrich's ascension to speaker in 1995 is what truly began the great abandonment of what the party had stood for over much of the preceding decades. And helped to usher in the concepts of divisive government, innuendo as a tool to derail the opposition, deep background planting of false stories as commonplace, that have led to the natural conclusions we see today. Of course, a lot of this has happened over the course of American history. See Nixon privately undermining LBJ over Vietnam as an example. But never was it all employed as strategic planning as part of a party identity.
 
DoLoop said:
Indeed. That will be the argument. Yet, there is a material difference between perjury to save oneself and suborning perjury.

It will be interesting to see if RICO violations come into to play with Mr. Mueller's investigation, evidence, and conclusions.
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I've long said that if law enforcement finds it justifiable to relieve an ordinary citizen of the cash in their wallet due to suspicion of ill gotten gains, and "held pending further investigation", then there is no reason why law enforcement can't also relieve Trump of his property "pending further investigation".

RICO is RICO, and it was brought about to pick off the BIG crooks more than the average garden variety peasant.
If President Trump wants to strut around calling people "rats" and otherwise behave like a mobbed up gangster, then let him be treated LIKE a mobbed up gangster.
 
Mach said:
It is literally an attack on the foundation of modern civilization.
The Enlightenment era was the advent of exactly that. Reason, which led to freedoms and progress, tolerance, constitutional government, etc. All of it.
The U.S. is founded on Reason. When reason is attacked to this degree, why is it not a risk to national security? As you note, in reality it is, whether it's perceived that way by a majority is irrelevant to that fact.
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Truly excellent post. Well done.
 
GDViking said:
Basically although he lied and it was stupid the actions he lied about were not only legal and none of our ****ing business, but had absolutely zero effect on the nation or the efficiency of the president.

In other words that was actually a witch hunt and Clinton did fall into a real perjury trap and Republicans tried their best bring him down over something the country did not care about for the most part.

This is way different, we are dealing with a Russian mobbed up long time criminal who stole an election with the assistance of a foreign power who he has been associated with for fourth years.

See the difference???
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Yeah Trump is MAGA and your a dumm librul! LoL (laugh out loud) cuz yer a dumm libtard!

So yeah, Clinton was Scum and Trump is MAGA, so it's all good! See how easily the librul argument is DESTROYED by allt-right "sense"!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yet that does not indicate the need to ignore precedent or equal treatment under the law. IMHO, the dumbest thing that demorats could do is to impeach Trump when they have the MSM bashing him 24/7 and can continue to lock up and/or publicly humiliate those around him making Trump utter even more foolish (apparently insane?) and plainly untrue stuff.
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Well equal treatment under the law, or honoring established precedent, would be to have already drafted articles of impeachment, when it was first submitted to the Federal Courts that Trump (Individual-1) is an unindicted co-conspirator to a criminal conspiracy to commit multiple felonies to impact the election in his favor.

I'm of the personal opinion that Trump needs to be resoundingly beaten at the ballot box, for his supporters to not have a ready-made out to excuse away their decision to back this man and all that he has wrought upon our nation.

As for the Democrats and impeachment, it may reach a point where they need to do what is best for the nation as a whole, regardless of the political blow-back they receive. Dependent on what Mueller finally releases. If the crimes are many, then what choice do they have? If they do move on impeachment, I can only hope it is because the GOP has opted to stand with them for what is best for the nation, and not just the party.
 
DoLoop said:
This is true story.

A lot of folks will be a bit surprised at the lack of movement among Senate Republicans even if it's manifest that the President suborned perjury. There is much worse out there. And it will come out.

The reality is that over 40 members of the Senate proved they are charter members in the Fifth Avenue Club with their vote on the Deripaska sanctions. It will take worse than this to move them. Indeed, they may be so invested in this President, that they are virtually intractable.

Time will tell.
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Outstanding point. If it did not happen before our very eyes, I would have never believed it. It would have been inconceivable to me.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Of course, a lot of this has happened over the course of American history. See Nixon privately undermining LBJ over Vietnam as an example.
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Of course a lot of it happened as history and that is also where any fair and impartial student would be careful to note instances where both parties have lapsed in their actions and judgment.
Blagoyevich is a prime example of a corrupt Dem gone rogue and drunk on power, and there's dozens of others.
 
markjs said:
Well it's clearly Nancy Pelosi's fault!:roll:
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The very funniest thing in history would be if pence goes down with the rest of the trump crime family and pelosi becomes the first woman president in history because of trumps crimes!!!!:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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