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57 percent of voters say they won’t support Trump in 2020

Yakshi said:
Reality has a way of intruding that must absolutely infuriate Trump supporters at this point.
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Cults don't care much about reality.
 
I can only hope that there isn't anyone in the Democrat's field that is disliked more than Trump.





I don't want to think about this yet.
 
trouble13 said:
Kasich and the Republican party share nothing in common

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Perhaps not the current iteration of the Republican Party which is really now the POT (Party of Trump) as opposed to the GOP.

But Kasich has long been what the GOP had previously represented in times past. Pretty socially conservative and pretty fiscally conservative. Check his stats for yourself and compare the liberal organization ratings versus the conservative organization ratings.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27017/john-kasich#.XEEcaqRMHYU
 
Mr Person said:
I can only hope that there isn't anyone in the Democrat's field that is disliked more than Trump.
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In that regard, Trump is in a league of his own ;)
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Perhaps not the current iteration of the Republican Party which is really now the POT (Party of Trump) as opposed to the GOP.

But Kasich has long been what the GOP had previously represented in times past. Pretty socially conservative and pretty fiscally conservative. Check his stats for yourself and compare the liberal organization ratings versus the conservative organization ratings.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27017/john-kasich#.XEEcaqRMHYU
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I used to like him but he has abandoned the positions he once had.

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Mr Person said:
I can only hope that there isn't anyone in the Democrat's field that is disliked more than Trump.





I don't want to think about this yet.
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I think the only people in the dem field that could give Trump a run for his money in that regard are Hillary, obviously, and Warren. The rest dont strike me as personally unlikable.
 
Sorry unless the poll has a break down of swing states and how they would vote this poll is meaningless.

Now if 57% of pa, ohio, wi , or mi...said this trump would be in trouble
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I love that 62% of Independents say they won't vote for him. And 21% of Republicans are not sure and another 10% committed to voting against him.

It may be best for Democrats to forget about impeachment and run against him in 2020 to control all branches of government.
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I like how y'all suggest that 100% of voters have been contacted.
 
Yakshi said:
The two numbers that make me happiest: only 69 percent of Republicans say they will vote for him, a number that used to be in the eighties, and 62 percent of independents who say they won't vote for him.

The orange fat man is screwed.
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Let’s all face reality here too. He barely won the EC through a perfect storm of events.

An opponent viewed as negatively as him, and who was an exponentially worse campaigner who ignored key states necessary to maintain the typical so-called Blue Wall.

Being from the opposing party of a two-term incumbent President. Winning a third term, essentially is a monumental task in modern Presidential history.

A relative unknown riding a wave of populism, who had spent decades lying and deceiving the public about his success as a master negotiator, marketing himself as the only one who can get government working again for the every-man that DC left behind. (We now see how horrible he is at all of this and how big of a failure he is at negotiation, or making it all work)

And finally, having to engage in a criminal conspiracy, which we have now come to learn has him as an unindicted co-conspirator in a series of felonies that were designed to impact the election in his favor. Actual crimes committed, as stated in Federal Court by the SDNY and accepted as fact by a Federal Judge.

With all of that in play, he was able to squeak out an EC victory thanks to less than 78,000 votes in total across three key states. These same three states that just had the Trump Shield crumble before him during the midterms, as Democrats crushed Republicans with massive swings.

2020 is still a long way off. But if I were Trump, I’d consider making a deal with Prosecutors as much as I’d consider running for re-election.
 
Fletch said:
I think the only people in the dem field that could give Trump a run for his money in that regard are Hillary, obviously, and Warren. The rest dont strike me as personally unlikable.
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I'm not religious or spiritual but I would like you not to curse "us" with the name Hillary.
 
i'll be voting against him. i hope the Democrats run someone worth voting for.
 
phattonez said:
Which should make us skeptical of the findings since he has 87% of Republicans approving of his job performance.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ican-democratic-approval-of-trump-sets-record
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Your link quoted a recent Gallup poll and it is clearly in conflict with this NPR/Marist poll. Want to bet the one that gets mentioned the most by the MSM will be the NPR/Marist poll?

I am simply amazed that Trump's numbers have remain pretty stable when over 90% of the reporting in the MSM has been so negative.
 
Rogue Valley said:
57 percent of voters say they won’t support Trump in 2020

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I like John Kasich myself, but I'm done with the Republican Party for a long, long time. Unfortunately, this country will have to weather another 21+ months of President Hamberders.

Related: Trump loses support among his core voting groups as the shutdown drags on, polls say
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If you go to question 85, Do you want Trump to run for reelection. 29% of independents say yes, 52% say no. Of course Republicans want him to, Democrat don't. I suppose that goes without saying. Overall, all adults, 32% want Trump to run, 54% say no.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/1xbksrgzje/econTabReport.pdf

One other stat. History has shown usually people do not vote for someone they dislike. Again republicans like Trump, Democrats hate him. Keep in mind the democratic party is still the larger of the two major parties. A Republican, namely Trump, can't win unless he can win the independent vote. He did in 2016, 46-42 over Hillary Clinton with 12% voting third party.

This brings me to Question 78: Do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? Independents only as we already know how Democrats and Republicans will vote in 2020. 12% of independents like Trump a lot, 14% a little, total 26%. That isn't good news if you're a Trumper. 39% of independents disliked Trump a lot, 7% dislike him somewhat. Total 46%. To round that out 14% of independents neither like nor dislike Trump and 14% aren't sure.

To win in 2020, Trump needs the Democrats to nominate another Hillary Clinton. Someone independents dislike a whole lot more than him. 70% of independents disliked Hillary in 2016, 57% disliked Trump. Thus Trump won the independent vote. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

I would think that is impossible, that the Democrats should have learned from 2016, candidates matter. Impossible, well? After all the democrats did nominate the only candidate, alive or dead that could have possibly lost to Trump in 2016. I suppose they could do it again in 2020. I hope not.
 
trouble13 said:
I used to like him but he has abandoned the positions he once had.

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Has he? In what regard? I’m searching for true abandonment of position, and am struggling to find where?
 
Perotista said:
After all the democrats did nominate the only candidate, alive or dead that could have possibly lost to Trump in 2016.
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^^ Exactly. You’re the only other person, besides myself, I have seen/heard say the above simple truth. Had Clinton or Trump faced another candidate half as flawed, they would have been crushed by a greater margin than Clinton was.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Has he? In what regard? I’m searching for true abandonment of position, and am struggling to find where?
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I can dig up his positions from when he was on talk radio. His positions have become much more progressive. That's his progotive and all but he isnt in the same place he once was ideologically

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RaleBulgarian said:
^^ Exactly. You’re the only other person, besides myself, I have seen/heard say the above simple truth. Had Clinton or Trump faced another candidate half as flawed, they would have been crushed by a greater margin than Clinton was.
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2016 was such a unique election. It pitted the two lowest ever candidates favorable ratings. Trump and Clinton were the most disliked candidates ever nominated. You're correct, pitted against any other candidate, each would have been trounced. Here's the list going back to 1964 of all major party candidates favorable ratings on election day.

1964 LBJ 71%
1972 Nixon 66%
1976 Carter 63%
1984 Reagan 61%
1980 Reagan 59%
1968 Nixon 59%
1968 Humphrey 58%
2008 Obama 58%
2000 G.W. Bush 58%
1976 Ford 58%
2012 Obama 57%
1996 Bill Clinton 56%
2008 McCain 55%
2000 Gore 55%
1980 Carter 54%
1984 Mondale 54%
1988 G.H.W. Bush 53%
2004 G.W. Bush 52%
1992 Bill Clinton 51%
1996 Dole 51%
2004 Kerry 51%
2008 Romney 51%
1972 McGovern 50%
1988 Dukakis 50%
1992 G.H.W. Bush 46%
1964 Goldwater 43%
2016 Hillary Clinton 38%
2016 Donald Trump 36%

Not only four major party candidates ever had a favorable rating of below 50%, Trump, Hillary Clinton, Goldwater and G.H.W. Bush. Usually one doesn't vote for a candidate they dislike, But when you dislike both...I suppose you either vote third party or for the candidate you least want to lose. Not win, but least want to lose.
 
Perotista said:
2016 was such a unique election. It pitted the two lowest ever candidates favorable ratings. Trump and Clinton were the most disliked candidates ever nominated. You're correct, pitted against any other candidate, each would have been trounced. Here's the list going back to 1964 of all major party candidates favorable ratings on election day.

1964 LBJ 71%
1972 Nixon 66%
1976 Carter 63%
1984 Reagan 61%
1980 Reagan 59%
1968 Nixon 59%
1968 Humphrey 58%
2008 Obama 58%
2000 G.W. Bush 58%
1976 Ford 58%
2012 Obama 57%
1996 Bill Clinton 56%
2008 McCain 55%
2000 Gore 55%
1980 Carter 54%
1984 Mondale 54%
1988 G.H.W. Bush 53%
2004 G.W. Bush 52%
1992 Bill Clinton 51%
1996 Dole 51%
2004 Kerry 51%
2008 Romney 51%
1972 McGovern 50%
1988 Dukakis 50%
1992 G.H.W. Bush 46%
1964 Goldwater 43%
2016 Hillary Clinton 38%
2016 Donald Trump 36%

Not only four major party candidates ever had a favorable rating of below 50%, Trump, Hillary Clinton, Goldwater and G.H.W. Bush. Usually one doesn't vote for a candidate they dislike, But when you dislike both...I suppose you either vote third party or for the candidate you least want to lose. Not win, but least want to lose.
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Exactly. And I’d be willing to wager that if the Dems come up with a halfway decent moderate candidate Trump would be beaten by a larger margin than his victory over Clinton.
 
vesper said:
Your link quoted a recent Gallup poll and it is clearly in conflict with this NPR/Marist poll. Want to bet the one that gets mentioned the most by the MSM will be the NPR/Marist poll?

I am simply amazed that Trump's numbers have remain pretty stable when over 90% of the reporting in the MSM has been so negative.
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It shows how much we're separating as a nation. We now have entirely different cultures where we don't even watch the same things. Balkanization is inevitable now.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I love that 62% of Independents say they won't vote for him. And 21% of Republicans are not sure and another 10% committed to voting against him.

It may be best for Democrats to forget about impeachment and run against him in 2020 to control all branches of government.
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I think if the proper information is in the Mueller report, even though such efforts will probably go no where, it is important to have the voting public know where their representative stands.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Don't forget the runner up was Ted Cruz...lol. It's clear that "modern" Republican voters only like deplorable people.

I could live with Kasich, he seems very pragmatic. I think he would have made a good president. Also, Marco Rubio seems pretty decent to me. He's a fan of Wu-Tan Clan. That demonstrates a youthful open-mindedness. How bad could he be?
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Not to mention Ted Cruz was thoroughly emasculated by Tiny during the GOP primary. Not a good look.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Many are terrified that Trump will put someone up to "primary them" for 2020. Like he did to former Utah GOP Representative Mia Love in 2018.

Her loss was a warning to others thinking of stepping out of line.
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Mia Love didn’t lose her Primary in 2018, because she ran unopposed. Trump didn’t “Primary” her.
 
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