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Cohen paid to have polls rigged to favor Trump

SonOfDaedalus said:
So Trump paid people to rig polls. How do Trump supporters defend this? Can you imagine the outrage if Hillary had done this?
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Please show us all the "RIGGED POLLS" that had Trump winning.


#Cohenliesagain
 
PleasantValley said:
If you paid any attention to this post you would see I did not mention Trump at all.
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You said "nothing to see here" regarding the OP. And the OP is about Trump paying to have a scripts written that create fake poll voters.

I apologize if I confused you with Trump apologist but you were making an excuse for Trump that is identical to Trump apologists.

And factually, this has nothing to do with biased polls. A biased poll is a biased poll. Someone creating a script or bots that vote in online polls is a completely different matter.
 
Grokmaster said:
Please show us all the "RIGGED POLLS" that had Trump winning.


#Cohenliesagain
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I can show you the man who paid to rig the polls.

The IT firm doesn’t appear to have been particularly good at the task. Cohen reportedly asked for its help in a January 2014’s CNBC poll to name the country’s top business leaders. RedFinch Solutions founder John Gauger reportedly wrote a computer script to repeatedly vote for Trump—but was still unable to get him into the top 100 candidates.

Gauger is chief information officer at Virginia’s Liberty University, the evangelical Christian college run by Jerry Fallwell Jr., a close Trump supporter. Cohen reportedly helped arrange Falwell Jr.’s endorsement of Trump in January 2016
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/cohen-hired-it-firm-to-rig-online-polls-for-trump-says-report

And the saddest thing is that the guy who created these scripts that created fake voters to deceive people worked at a Christian university.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
And the saddest thing is that the guy who created these scripts that created fake voters to deceive people worked at a Christian university.
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No, the saddest thing is that this doesn't even surprise me any more.
 
Lutherf said:
It's his money. Just because you and I think it's a stupid idea doesn't mean it's wrong for him to do it.
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You claimed that Internet polls are meaningless. I asked you why Trump paid to cheat the polls if they are meaningless. The fact that Trump paid for this belies your claim that they are meaningless.

Anyway, your support of fraud is noted.
 
Grokmaster said:
Well WHAT THE **** HAPPENED THEN?


WHERE ARE ALL THE "RIGGED POLLS"?


Der.....GOT GULLIBLE?
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We have the man who was paid to rig the polls. That's the story. Trump is a crook and a cheat.

Gullible is anyone who still believes anything Trump says after it's been proven again and again that he's a liar and a cheat.
 
Xelor said:
Jesus H. Christ! Michael Cohen, on behalf of Donald Trump, paid John Gauger, owner of RedFinch Solutions, LLC and CIO of Liberty University, some $12K to work some sort of digital wizardry to cause pre-election polls to favor Trump.
-- Poll-Rigging for Trump and Creating @WomenForCohen: One IT Firm’s Work Order

Per the WSJ story:
  • Gauger showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.
  • The Trump Organization declined to comment.
  • When Cohen asked Trump Organization executives for a $130,000 reimbursement for a hush payment he made to Stormy Daniels, he also scrawled a handwritten note asking for $50,000 he said he spent on “tech services” to aid Trump’s campaign. (Court document assertion)
  • Trump's authorization of the reimbursement was made on the sole basis of a handwritten note from Mr. Cohen and paid largely out of Trump’s personal account.
The story of the unethical and/or illegal machinations Trump and his people undertook to bamboozle Americans into voting for Trump just gets more reprobate by the day. Moreover, Trumpkins' abject idiocy and naivete does so too. How the hell did the US "grow" multiple generations of such utter fools that a profligately dissembling degenerate like Trump could get nominated for POTUS, to say nothing of actually win the election?
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Probably genetics. The phenomenon of self selection is surely at least partially responsible.
 
Grokmaster said:
Well WHAT THE **** HAPPENED THEN?


WHERE ARE ALL THE "RIGGED POLLS"?


Der.....GOT GULLIBLE?


"RIGGING" is what the DNC did to SANDERS.....


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Fake accounts are common in marketing and politics these days. You can buy followers, etc.

Nothing new.

This is the world we.live in now.

Manipulation is the name of the game. NOBODY is interested in convincing you by presentation of facts.

Emotions are much better vehicles than facts.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You claimed that Internet polls are meaningless. I asked you why Trump paid to cheat the polls if they are meaningless. The fact that Trump paid for this belies your claim that they are meaningless.

Anyway, your support of fraud is noted.
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So maybe loading polls in Bernie voter polls to make it look like more former Bernie supporters were voting third party or FOR trump than actually were. That and the constant barrage of anti-Hillary messaging on the Bernie boards and it would look like NOT voting for Hillary was more of a protest than it actually was. And that is all it might have taken, and that's the kind of dirty trick that pollutes our politics today.
 
What if...? said:
Probably genetics. The phenomenon of self selection is surely at least partially responsible.
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I suppose so. That'd actually be an interesting hypothesis for a master's or terminal degree seeker to examine.
 
Lutherf said:
First, you have nothing other than Cohen's testimony that Trump instructed him to do this. For all we know Cohen told Trump he was going to pay for some polling data and Trump said "OK".

Second, he wasn't the president when this happened. He wasn't even a declared candidate.

Third, if you really want to go after people who use misleading and/or manipulative practices on the internet to inflate their online presence you're going to need a MUCH bigger jail.
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Fourth, the polls were wrong.

Why 2016 election polls missed their mark | Pew Research Center

What political pollsters learned from the 2016 election

https://amstat.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2017.1356775#.XED-n_ZFybU
 
Xelor said:
Jesus H. Christ! Michael Cohen, on behalf of Donald Trump, paid John Gauger, owner of RedFinch Solutions, LLC and CIO of Liberty University, some $12K to work some sort of digital wizardry to cause pre-election polls to favor Trump.
-- Poll-Rigging for Trump and Creating @WomenForCohen: One IT Firm’s Work Order

Per the WSJ story:
  • Gauger showed up at Trump Tower to collect $50,000 for having helped Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, try to rig online polls in his boss’s favor before the presidential campaign.
  • The Trump Organization declined to comment.
  • When Cohen asked Trump Organization executives for a $130,000 reimbursement for a hush payment he made to Stormy Daniels, he also scrawled a handwritten note asking for $50,000 he said he spent on “tech services” to aid Trump’s campaign. (Court document assertion)
  • Trump's authorization of the reimbursement was made on the sole basis of a handwritten note from Mr. Cohen and paid largely out of Trump’s personal account.
The story of the unethical and/or illegal machinations Trump and his people undertook to bamboozle Americans into voting for Trump just gets more reprobate by the day. Moreover, Trumpkins' abject idiocy and naivete does so too. How the hell did the US "grow" multiple generations of such utter fools that a profligately dissembling degenerate like Trump could get nominated for POTUS, to say nothing of actually win the election?
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Rigged polls and rigged elections--Trump was telling us all about them while doing it. :lol:

Suckers
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You claimed that Internet polls are meaningless. I asked you why Trump paid to cheat the polls if they are meaningless. The fact that Trump paid for this belies your claim that they are meaningless.

Anyway, your support of fraud is noted.
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OK.

Let me be a bit more clear on "meaningless".

I play a game called Soda Crush on my phone. It's an entertaining way to kill time when I'm not doing anything else. One aspect of the game is that I can earn bonus items which improve my chance of completing a certain puzzle. You get a good feeling when you beat a puzzle. There's a little animation and happy sounds. Now, if I happen to have used all my bonus pieces and I'm struggling with a particular puzzle I can hand over my credit card and BUY bonus items. For a small, really inconsequential, amount of real money I can buy digital bonus items that will, perhaps, enhance the pleasure I get out of my video game. I don't need to spend real money on fake stuff but I can do so if I want to.

Now that was all just a little background...a little fertilizer for the soil, if you will.

The reason I mention the game and the processes in the game is because the game is meaningless. It's nothing but entertainment. It doesn't make the player smarter, more valuable to an employer, less hungry, better looking...none of that. The game is meaningless in the same way that online polls are meaningless. That online poll you look at doesn't indicate anything. It's there merely to entertain you. Now, if you want to shovel $50k into that poll just so your name comes out on top then more power to you but it doesn't make the poll any more meaningful.
 
calamity said:
Rigged polls and rigged elections--Trump was telling us all about them while doing it. :lol:

Suckers
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You know, when Trump said the election was rigged, the first thought I had and that I shared with a close friend is that he was likely right, and that it was, in all likelihood, rigged in his favor. I said that because of what some friends who know Trump (professionally, as a result of having briefly considered partnering with one of his firms on a building project, not socially) had told me about him and his character. Not that it matters now for I didn't belong to DP at the time, but had I, I would have posted my thought in that regard.
 
nota bene said:
Fourth, the polls were wrong.

Why 2016 election polls missed their mark | Pew Research Center

What political pollsters learned from the 2016 election

https://amstat.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2017.1356775#.XED-n_ZFybU
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Yeah. I seem to remember a whole lot of familiar faces on familiar news programs who liked to tell us familiar stories about how smart they were and how good their data was sitting there totally baffled that they ended up being so wrong about so much stuff.

I mean, to this day it's completely outside the realm of possibility for them that a ****load of people got pissed off about being called "deplorable" and being taken for granted. In their world that kind of thing is completely inconceivable....even after it happened.
 
Lutherf said:
Now, if you want to shovel $50k into that poll just so your name comes out on top then more power to you but it doesn't make the poll any more meaningful.
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Just because something is meaningless to you doesn't mean it's meaningless to everyone. Agreed?

Clearly, it's not meaningless to the person who paid $50K. To him, it has $50K worth of meaning.

Can we at least agree that Trump attempted to deceive people by cheating on a poll?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Just because something is meaningless to you doesn't mean it's meaningless to everyone. Agreed?

Clearly, it's not meaningless to the person who paid $50K. To him, it has $50K worth of meaning.

Can we at least agree that Trump attempted to deceive people by cheating on a poll?
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It seems to me that the one person he would be cheating by rigging a poll the way Cohen describes it is HIMSELF! There is zero benefit to him in having a Drudge Report poll that says he's the top candidate if that data is fake. It's like saying "I'm the greatest and I agree with that statement!"
 
Lutherf said:
It seems to me that the one person he would be cheating by rigging a poll the way Cohen describes it is HIMSELF! There is zero benefit to him in having a Drudge Report poll that says he's the top candidate if that data is fake. It's like saying "I'm the greatest and I agree with that statement!"
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He rigged the polls to create a false impression in the minds of those who view the poll results. Can we at least agree that Trump attempted to deceive potential voters?
 
Lutherf said:
It seems to me that the one person he would be cheating by rigging a poll the way Cohen describes it is HIMSELF! There is zero benefit to him in having a Drudge Report poll that says he's the top candidate if that data is fake. It's like saying "I'm the greatest and I agree with that statement!"
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Man.

You really have swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker.

Sad!
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. I seem to remember a whole lot of familiar faces on familiar news programs who liked to tell us familiar stories about how smart they were and how good their data was sitting there totally baffled that they ended up being so wrong about so much stuff.

I mean, to this day it's completely outside the realm of possibility for them that a ****load of people got pissed off about being called "deplorable" and being taken for granted. In their world that kind of thing is completely inconceivable....even after it happened.
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Red:
Given those individuals' familiarity and abundance in your recollection, you'll then have no trouble pointing us to instances of their so saying as you've in "blue" text noted?


Pink:
If people of note call one or one's ilk deplorable, one ought to consider objectively the possibility that one and/or one's ilk indeed are deplorable.
 
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