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Well played Nancy! Pelosi suggests Trump postpone SOTU or submit it in writing

Pomp and trappings of an Imperial Presidency! How could Trump resist? That sounds right up his alley. Trump is all drama and fanfare and show, with little to no substance.

I believe that Parliament has a procedure wherein the Prime Minister must sit before the assembled body and answer questions. I always thought we should have something like that. The President has to stand before Congress and answer all their questions.

Not to change the subject but have you watched any of the UK's parliamentary proceedings regarding Brexit? Watching Theresa May have to defend herself before Parliament in real time? Can you imagine how much Donald would squirm if he had to do anything like that before Congress?

 
Trump is free to use the sotu speech to reach out and inform everyone about the need at the border, what he is asking for to help and what the Democrats are doing to sabotage his efforts.

Dont worry the Democrats will be given an opportunity to respond.

As for the offers to fund the wall, I am skeptical that they are real. Pelosi has already pledged that she will not allow trump to have any money for a wall. I dont what source you're using but you may want to double check it.

Let's not rewrite history trump has already stated that is agreeable to amnesty for DACA in exchange for them giving him his full asking price and the Democrats rejected his offer along with many Republicans who adamantly oppose amnesty.

Now here they sit stalemated because the house can only write the Bill's but they cant sign them into law. For that they will need to kiss his ring and pay his tribute.

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POTUS only does the State of the Union address with the invitation of the Speaker of the House of Representatives. He can't just decide he's coming to the House to speak, he has to be invited. And, he's not.

Skeptical that 2 bills were drafted and got support of republicans and democrats both to move forward to the Senate? Why would you be skeptical when it was a REAL THING?

Again, you're wrong about DACA. Democrats took a deal to Trump just last February, less than a year ago - $25 billion over 10 years in border security done the right way - and the president blew up the deal

Trump backed a Republican bill that would have appropriated $25 billion for border security. The legislation honored four conditions the president set for continuing DACA:

Provide money to build the wall;

Establish a path to citizenship for DACA children, or "dreamers;"

End the visa lottery program that promotes ethnic diversity of immigrants, and

Severely limit family-based immigration - what Trump calls "chain immigration."

Ending the diversity visa lottery and restricting family-based immigration - which the Democrats call "family reunification - were anathema to Democrats. Without bipartisan support, the bill couldn’t reach the 60 votes needed to end debate on it and to advance to a pass-or-fail roll call.

So Democrats and a handful Republicans - on Feb. 14, 2018 - introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would muster enough bipartisan backing to pass the 60-vote cloture rule. The measure called for $25 billion in border spending over 10 years for wall construction and a host of other security measures. The bill, however, did not address Trump’s demands to end the lottery and narrow family-based immigration.

On Feb. 15, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a statement threatening Trump would veto the substitute bill. Trump, in tweets, called the bill "a total catastrophe," that would create "mass amnesty for over 10 million illegal aliens, including criminals."

The Washington Post and The New York Times reported that Trump also objected that the bill would allocate the $25 billion over 10 years, instead of all at once.

Later that day, the bill failed. Although a bipartisan group of 54 senators voted for cloture - a majority - they came short of the 60 votes needed to advance. Minutes later, the Republican bill backed by Trump also died.

Congress failed to reach the March 5 deadline to protect DACA, but the phase-out of the program has put on hold by several courts.
 
Nah. Both he and Pelosi are welcome there free of charge as long as he is president.

Nancy Pelosi is third in line for the presidency if something should happen to Trump and Pence. Keep that thought to comfort you when you go to sleep at night.
 
The Democrats are scared ****less. :lamo

Of lil bitch boy baby Twumpy? No...:2rofll::lamo:2rofll:

Nancy owns his whiny bitch ass thus far and even YOU know it.
 
Nancy Pelosi is third in line for the presidency if something should happen to Trump and Pence. Keep that thought to comfort you when you go to sleep at night.

Trump will probably be forced to resign in disgrace and Pence prays every night will be carried off in the Rapture shortly thereafter. That will leave only us sinners, led by Pelosi, to make the best of it...

The rest I hear will disappear with Kirk Cameron wherever he's gone.
 
Pelosi telling Trump to think of something else to do during the day he's normally supposed to give the SOTU is one of those things where each side will see something to take glee in. For Republicans it looks like she's afraid of him and for Democrats it looks like she's telling the mother****er to go pound sand.

The truth is actually a bit of both. Pelosi sees no need to give him a free podium to bash her, and she's also communicating to him that Democrats don't need him.
 
Nope, from long experience reading and watch the political landscape.

The talk a good game, but propose nothing of value. Trump IS also seeking funding to hire more CMP officers, more technology, improved temporary lodging and medical care for asylum seekers and technology upgrades. His plan is not to build a wall and disappear over the horizon.

Trump is playing a lousy game, trying to paint the democrats as pro illegal immigration, and himself as some kind of genius. He forced this shutdown by walking out of previous deals that were a lot better for him. Now he gets to learn how the game is played in Washington DC. If he can muster one ounce of good sense, he'll find a way to accept what he can get, and open the government. I heard tonight that he has finally realized that he is getting seriously burned by this latest bad decision of his. How many bad decisions should presidents get? He seems to have more than his share.
 
Trump will probably be forced to resign in disgrace and Pence prays every night will be carried off in the Rapture shortly thereafter. That will leave only us sinners, led by Pelosi, to make the best of it...

The rest I hear will disappear with Kirk Cameron wherever he's gone.

Great mental images but I think the rest of the faithful will follow the 'white-haired-whisperer' right into that dark hole he'll lead them to.

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The Democrats are scared ****less. :lamo

I doubt any Democrat in Congress is scared ****less. Look at the desperation of Trump and his lawyer Guliani. Look at the desperation of his mouthpiece Sarah Sanders. Look at the way republicans in Congress are starting to get nervous.
 
OK, Pelosi said it can't be done. If President Trump delivers the SOTU as schedules once against Pelosi is at best proven an idiot publicly declaring false information.
 
Can't personally stand Nancy Pelosi, but she is a much more cunning politician than Trump will ever be. She has sent Trump a letter suggesting that the State of the Union address be postponed or submitted in writing because of the government shutdown. She supports the suggestion by pointing out what would be needed by government employees to pull off the event.

https://www.speaker.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Letter-to-President-Trump-SOTU.pdf

Trump is losing this shutdown fight.

Well played Speaker Pelosi
 
Pelosi telling Trump to think of something else to do during the day he's normally supposed to give the SOTU is one of those things where each side will see something to take glee in. For Republicans it looks like she's afraid of him and for Democrats it looks like she's telling the mother****er to go pound sand.

The truth is actually a bit of both. Pelosi sees no need to give him a free podium to bash her, and she's also communicating to him that Democrats don't need him.

One thing is for sure, Speaker Pelosi does not fear Trump. She is pro, and can play the game much better than him. Trump is sucking in the polls, he is cornered like a mouse, and Pelosi is the cat. Once Trump claimed he we own the shut down she had his cornered, and Rump walked right into the trap.
 
Well, the State of the Union address only has to be in writing. It never has had to be some grandiose public affair of pomp and circumstance and the trappings of an Imperial Presidency as it has developed into, where the President is treated as a Monarch in all but name instead of simply the Chief Administrative Officer of the Executive Branch. So I actually agree with Nancy Pelosi. Let him submit it in writing. And let every State of the Union Address be submitted in writing henceforth.

Like you think that circus sideshow Trump would pass up a chance to be treated like monarchy? Not a chance. He will get a lot of laughing and booing if he makes it to the Capital though.
 
Not to change the subject but have you watched any of the UK's parliamentary proceedings regarding Brexit? Watching Theresa May have to defend herself before Parliament in real time? Can you imagine how much Donald would squirm if he had to do anything like that before Congress?



Prime Ministers question time can be brutal. On top of that is the Tue meeting with HM. It is her government, though elected by the people. A PM governs by cabinet consensus. In some ways a Parlimentarian Constitutional monarchy has its advantages but only if the monarch reigns with in the constraints of the laws passed by Parliment.
 
Can't personally stand Nancy Pelosi, but she is a much more cunning politician than Trump will ever be. She has sent Trump a letter suggesting that the State of the Union address be postponed or submitted in writing because of the government shutdown. She supports the suggestion by pointing out what would be needed by government employees to pull off the event.

https://www.speaker.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Letter-to-President-Trump-SOTU.pdf

Trump is losing this shutdown fight.

He's was losing the fight with or without a state of the union address. On the other hand, Pelosi's reaching for a new low in mocking a 240 year Constitutional mandate and faithful tradition, is not so much cunning as it is one more indicator of the degradation of the Republic's traditions into the muck of out-of-control partisanship. So now the Democratic party has adopted the tactics of the extreme left (e.g anti-fa), de-platforming anyone you disagree with?

If Trump listened to advisors good at stagecraft, he might ask McConnel to arrange a speech before the Senate with an invitation to some house members. Or better yet perhaps a good old Trump rally State of the Union, inviting the House, Senate and a huge mass of Trumpers to be directed to the American people, dedicated to communicating with the common American citizen, not the Washington Swamp Creatures.

With a smattering of left-wing cranks and Antifa hooligans trying to stop him and displaying the underbelly of the Democratic opposition, it would be to his advantage.
 
Can't personally stand Nancy Pelosi, but she is a much more cunning politician than Trump will ever be. She has sent Trump a letter suggesting that the State of the Union address be postponed or submitted in writing because of the government shutdown. She supports the suggestion by pointing out what would be needed by government employees to pull off the event.

https://www.speaker.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Letter-to-President-Trump-SOTU.pdf

Trump is losing this shutdown fight.


It was absolutely brilliant. IT was brllliant because it was perfectly logical. If Trump senses ill will, and he will, there isn't much he cando about it because the letter taken at face value is rather innocous, there is nothing in it that he can take a bite on. It's cotton candy with an invisible punch.

So.....

How can anyone not love Pelosi? She is such a sweet grandma tour-de-force!

She's got some power now, and she is going to wield it.

And yes, she is a better chess player than Trump, way better. This is going to be a beautiful thing to *watch. The thought of the temper tantrums Trump is going to have over Pelosi, this is karma baby, at it's most delicious level.

Pass the popcorn....


*(but, on the flip side, the damage such a man with such power can do won't be a beautiful thing to watch )
 
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He's was losing the fight with or without a state of the union address. On the other hand, Pelosi's reaching for a new low in mocking a 240 year Constitutional mandate and faithful tradition, is not so much cunning as it is one more indicator of the degradation of the Republic's traditions into the muck of out-of-control partisanship. So now the Democratic party has adopted the tactics of the extreme left (e.g anti-fa), de-platforming anyone you disagree with?

If Trump listened to advisors good at stagecraft, he might ask McConnel to arrange a speech before the Senate with an invitation to some house members. Or better yet perhaps a good old Trump rally State of the Union, inviting the House, Senate and a huge mass of Trumpers to be directed to the American people, dedicated to communicating with the common American citizen, not the Washington Swamp Creatures.

With a smattering of left-wing cranks and Antifa hooligans trying to stop him and displaying the underbelly of the Democratic opposition, it would be to his advantage.

So you can't be anti-fascist and Republican at the same time. Why would that be, do you think?
 
POTUS only does the State of the Union address with the invitation of the Speaker of the House of Representatives. He can't just decide he's coming to the House to speak, he has to be invited. And, he's not.

Skeptical that 2 bills were drafted and got support of republicans and democrats both to move forward to the Senate? Why would you be skeptical when it was a REAL THING?

Again, you're wrong about DACA. Democrats took a deal to Trump just last February, less than a year ago - $25 billion over 10 years in border security done the right way - and the president blew up the deal

Trump backed a Republican bill that would have appropriated $25 billion for border security. The legislation honored four conditions the president set for continuing DACA:

Provide money to build the wall;

Establish a path to citizenship for DACA children, or "dreamers;"

End the visa lottery program that promotes ethnic diversity of immigrants, and

Severely limit family-based immigration - what Trump calls "chain immigration."

Ending the diversity visa lottery and restricting family-based immigration - which the Democrats call "family reunification - were anathema to Democrats. Without bipartisan support, the bill couldn’t reach the 60 votes needed to end debate on it and to advance to a pass-or-fail roll call.

So Democrats and a handful Republicans - on Feb. 14, 2018 - introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would muster enough bipartisan backing to pass the 60-vote cloture rule. The measure called for $25 billion in border spending over 10 years for wall construction and a host of other security measures. The bill, however, did not address Trump’s demands to end the lottery and narrow family-based immigration.

On Feb. 15, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a statement threatening Trump would veto the substitute bill. Trump, in tweets, called the bill "a total catastrophe," that would create "mass amnesty for over 10 million illegal aliens, including criminals."

The Washington Post and The New York Times reported that Trump also objected that the bill would allocate the $25 billion over 10 years, instead of all at once.

Later that day, the bill failed. Although a bipartisan group of 54 senators voted for cloture - a majority - they came short of the 60 votes needed to advance. Minutes later, the Republican bill backed by Trump also died.

Congress failed to reach the March 5 deadline to protect DACA, but the phase-out of the program has put on hold by several courts.
Ok now that I know what your referring to I can say for sure your wrong. None of the offers from the Democrats including the very first one had any spending for any new wall in it.

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Good to see Pelosi back to failing right out of the gate. Suddenly Nancy is concerned about Americans safety when she is in the same room as them. Border towns...not so much.
 
I doubt any Democrat in Congress is scared ****less. Look at the desperation of Trump and his lawyer Guliani. Look at the desperation of his mouthpiece Sarah Sanders. Look at the way republicans in Congress are starting to get nervous.

Pelosi wants to cancel the state of the union address. Yeah, she's afraid of the facts that will be shared with the country. The #1 fact being: the country does better with less government that she does with more government. The communist Left can't allow people to know that.
 
I guess that is the view of a "moderate" lol.

Trump's behavior might need a firmer hand than Obama's ever did. Obama never shut down the government, making it impossible to hold an event that was required to have FULL Security...called for by his own cabinet.

I guess that is the view of a "moderate" lol.
 
Ok now that I know what your referring to I can say for sure your wrong. None of the offers from the Democrats including the very first one had any spending for any new wall in it.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-passes-stopgap-funding-bill-5-billion-trump-s-border-n950666

[snip] WASHINGTON — The House passed a stopgap measure Thursday night to fund the government that includes $5 billion for a border wall sought by President Donald Trump. The bill is expected to be rejected in the Senate, and does little to prevent a shutdown on Saturday.[/snip]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/government-shutdown-house-adds-border-wall-funding-spending-bill/2381057002/

[snip]WASHINGTON – A deeply divided House voted on Thursday to add $5 billion in border wall funding to a short-term spending bill, yielding to President Donald Trump’s demand for the money but casting further doubts upon the fate of efforts to avert a government shutdown.

The House responded by introducing its own spending package that also would fund the government through Feb. 8, but would include $5.7 billion for a border wall and nearly $8 billion in disaster relief to compensate communities hit hard by this year’s hurricanes and wildfires.[/snip]
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-passes-stopgap-funding-bill-5-billion-trump-s-border-n950666

[snip] WASHINGTON — The House passed a stopgap measure Thursday night to fund the government that includes $5 billion for a border wall sought by President Donald Trump. The bill is expected to be rejected in the Senate, and does little to prevent a shutdown on Saturday.[/snip]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/government-shutdown-house-adds-border-wall-funding-spending-bill/2381057002/

[snip]WASHINGTON – A deeply divided House voted on Thursday to add $5 billion in border wall funding to a short-term spending bill, yielding to President Donald Trump’s demand for the money but casting further doubts upon the fate of efforts to avert a government shutdown.

The House responded by introducing its own spending package that also would fund the government through Feb. 8, but would include $5.7 billion for a border wall and nearly $8 billion in disaster relief to compensate communities hit hard by this year’s hurricanes and wildfires.[/snip]
So ask yourself a question if you believe the Democrats were willing to give him 5B toward the wall why would they of rejected the counter offer that included and additional .7B and monet for disaster relief?

The answer is that the difference is the bill your referring to only authorized repairs to existing walls. They could not even be replaced with a new design land no new wall would be allowed to put up. That's why trump rejected that offer.

The GOP bill for 5.7B allowed new wall to be constructed and it allowed the new design and that is why Democrats rejected it.

You are being mislead about the details by the MSM. The Democrats are not making good faith negotiations. Until they do trump has vowed to keep the government shutdown and I support him on that.

Clever lip service by the Democrats is not gonna get the government open.

Are you aware that there is another caravan headed our way and 2 more forming behind it. I wonder what the Democrats talking point will be when those waves arrive in a month and they are still insisting we dont need a wall and the crisis is manufactured by Trump.

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So ask yourself a question if you believe the Democrats were willing to give him 5B toward the wall why would they of rejected the counter offer that included and additional .7B and monet for disaster relief?

The answer is that the difference is the bill your referring to only authorized repairs to existing walls. They could not even be replaced with a new design land no new wall would be allowed to put up. That's why trump rejected that offer.

The GOP bill for 5.7B allowed new wall to be constructed and it allowed the new design and that is why Democrats rejected it.

You are being mislead about the details by the MSM. The Democrats are not making good faith negotiations. Until they do trump has vowed to keep the government shutdown and I support him on that.

Clever lip service by the Democrats is not gonna get the government open.

Are you aware that there is another caravan headed our way and 2 more forming behind it. I wonder what the Democrats talking point will be when those waves arrive in a month and they are still insisting we dont need a wall and the crisis is manufactured by Trump.

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Eeek! Another caravan of murderers, thieves and rapists!! God help us all, we're doomed! :eek:
 
Eeek! Another caravan of murderers, thieves and rapists!! God help us all, we're doomed! :eek:
No need to be afraid trump will use the military to protect our border while the Democrats do this.
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