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Obama stole money from victims of Iranian terror and gave it to Iranian terrorists

marke said:
Obama did not violate a law he signed and SCOTUS upheld because republicans pressed him to do it, making the law of none effect and powerless over him and his administration? Do you even think about what you are saying before you utter the words?
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Your postulation is moot because Obama violated no law.
 
Nickyjo said:
You forgot homosexuals in your list of unacceptable Americans, or do you file them in your hate cabinet under "ungodly barbarian types." And given how diverse America has become, it's a good idea to keep Bibles and Korans and Torahs out of public schools, don't you think? Btw, God wasn't upset at the snub in Charlotte; He got more angry at Trump over Charlolottesville.
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Why would God be angry with Trump for what sinners did in Charlottesville? If God is going to blame leaders for the sins of the people then why not blame Schumer or Schiff for the sins of the wicked?
 
marke said:
Obama had his reputation as master negotiator at stake. he traded the $400 million for hostages at the exact moment he was trying to tout his new nuclear agreement with Iran a huge success. The nuclear deal was a horrendous failure. Obama got bamboozled by wicked lying Iranians who hate God and America and have been funding worldwide terror murder for decades. It is hard to imagine the utter stupidity of anyone who thinks Iranian terrorists can be turned into peace loving neighbors if you bribe them with enough money.

Obama may not have known the money he took belonged to American victims of Iranian terror by federal law enacted in 2012 and verified by SCOTUS decision in 2016.
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Once again, it was an informed decision (whether right or wrong) and not for personal gain. Being a Sunday night quarterback (as you are doing) is easy. We are all humans and looking back on any decision and trying to apply it to the present situation is useless and has a wrong intention.

Trump is incompetent and so far most (if not all) of his decisions have been wrong and tailored for his own benefit. As such, talk should be about Trump given that his decisions still affect us. What was done in the past is not something that can be changed.

All you are trying to do is excuse incompetence in Trump
 
Myview said:
I don't think anyone or anything will convince you of anything but what you already believe. No matter how many links or suggestions for sources you are given. As far as the Fort Hood massacre I think the victims and victims families were treated unfairly and it took too long to give them their due. I fault the army bureaucracy for that as well as Obama's willingness to let the DOD handle the aftermath of Fort Hood. Kudos to Republicans for stepping in to get them purple medals and the benefits that go along. Search was Obama's 1.7 billion payout to Iran legal? I'll take one last stab at it although I am sure it won't make you leaven your view any at all.
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Search SCOTUS decision of April 20, 2016, confirming the legality of giving victims of Iranian terror $2 billion from Iranian FMS funds. That is the same fund which Obama raided to send cash to the terrorists for the purpose of creating the illusion that he had made peace with Iran.
 
Luckyone said:
Once again, it was an informed decision (whether right or wrong) and not for personal gain. Being a Sunday night quarterback (as you are doing) is easy. We are all humans and looking back on any decision and trying to apply it to the present situation is useless and has a wrong intention.

Trump is incompetent and so far most (if not all) of his decisions have been wrong and tailored for his own benefit. As such, talk should be about Trump given that his decisions still affect us. What was done in the past is not something that can be changed.

All you are trying to do is excuse incompetence in Trump
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If I am a Monday morning quarterback for judging Obama's actions then what are biased seditionists who condemn Trump's actions?
 
marke said:
I don't know exactly. I do know he had a pen and a phone and the brass to do whatever the heck he wanted to do as Bolshevik in chief, Congress, courts, and the American people notwithstanding.
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Your commentary lacks any basis in facts, it's fictional, and your rhetoric reveals a complete lack of knowledge of government or law.
 
marke said:
Search SCOTUS decision of April 20, 2016, confirming the legality of giving victims of Iranian terror $2 billion from Iranian FMS funds. That is the same fund which Obama raided to send cash to the terrorists for the purpose of creating the illusion that he had made peace with Iran.
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Come now my good man. We both know what the SCOTUS said. All I am asking is that you simply look at the other sides view point. I am not asking that you change your politics. I am simply petitioning you to look at why the left
believes no law was broken.
 
marke said:
If I am a Monday morning quarterback for judging Obama's actions then what are biased seditionists who condemn Trump's actions?
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Yes, I am totally biased against incompetency and corruption. Aren't you?
 
manofknowledge said:
Your commentary lacks any basis in facts, it's fictional, and your rhetoric reveals a complete lack of knowledge of government or law.
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How much money is $2 billion and what happened to it after the Muslim in chief got his bloody hands on it?
 
Myview said:
Come now my good man. We both know what the SCOTUS said. All I am asking is that you simply look at the other sides view point. I am not asking that you change your politics. I am simply petitioning you to look at why the left
believes no law was broken.
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They think no wall was broken because the know nothing of the $2 billion in Iranian assets from the FMS account the SCOTUS gave to victims of Iranian terror.
 
Luckyone said:
Yes, I am totally biased against incompetency and corruption. Aren't you?
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Yes, and I have let my criticisms of government corruption be known each year for decades.
 
marke said:
They think no wall was broken because the know nothing of the $2 billion in Iranian assets from the FMS account the SCOTUS gave to victims of Iranian terror.
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I am as left as you can get. I know of the money in the FMS account what SCOTUS ruled and how it was subrogated in the Iran Nuclear deal. You don't need to betray your politics by being intellectually curious. You don't need to excuse Obama by understanding the process of negotiation in the Iran Nuclear deal. You can still adhere to your beliefs. You can disagree on the same grounds but at least be intellectually curious.
 
marke said:
Why would God be angry with Trump for what sinners did in Charlottesville? If God is going to blame leaders for the sins of the people then why not blame Schumer or Schiff for the sins of the wicked?
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He was angry at Trump’s comments.
 
marke said:
Yes, and I have let my criticisms of government corruption be known each year for decades.
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Then why are you still supporting Trump. He is corrupt and most of the people he has brought into office (Manafort, Pruitt, Scott, Price, Shulkin, Gates, Cohen) have been proven to be corrupt and the ones still in office are likely corrupt as well.

I don't understand how you can be against corruption and for Trump. The two do not mix. Explain!
 
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More information provided by marke about this dude. Not surprising the way this dicktator operates at our expense. Betcha more antics will be revealed.
 
Luckyone said:
Then why are you still supporting Trump. He is corrupt and most of the people he has brought into office (Manafort, Pruitt, Scott, Price, Shulkin, Gates, Cohen) have been proven to be corrupt and the ones still in office are likely corrupt as well.

I don't understand how you can be against corruption and for Trump. The two do not mix. Explain!
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If Trump can be blamed for Manafort's sins I suppose we can blame Hillary for Wiener's sins.
 
marke said:
American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades. Congress passed a law in 2012 authorizing the US to hold Iranian assets in escrow until the many lawsuits could be settled. Obama signed that law. There were 1,300 American victims seeking relief from Iran who filed suit to claim damages according to that law. Obama signed that law.

However, in January 2016 Obama decided on his own to take that money and give it back to Iran, the same day the hostages were released. 19 days later he sent $1.3 billion more to Iranian terrorists, supposedly because he thought the US owed them that money. The US was holding that money to settle American lawsuits. That was the law. Obama in essence said to hell with the law and to hell with the victims I am going to take it upon myself to give these terrorists the money under the pretense that I think it is still their money.

The SCOTUS ruled in April. 2016, that the money did belong to the American victims, not to Iran. Whew, that was close. If Obama had waited just two more months he would not have been allowed to break the law that SCOTUS upheld just a matter of weeks after he violated the law.

Obama screwed American heroes at Ft. Hood in favor of the Muslim terrorists he refused to call a terrorist. Obama screwed the victims of iranian terrorism by stealing their money before the lawsuits could be settled in accordance with ongoing legal proceedings. He screwed the families of those killed in Benghazi by lying about the cause of the terror attack. He screwed a good cops by calling him stupid for arresting a drunk and disorderly black man who was fighting cops. And many other such embarrassing and despicable things.

And democrat dupes think Trump is bad.
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Sounds to me like Obama is an Iranian asset.:lol:
 
marke said:
If Trump can be blamed for Manafort's sins I suppose we can blame Hillary for Wiener's sins.
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Because he chose these people himself and he put them in office and kept them there until it was untenable no more. If nothing else, he is totally incompetent for choosing all these corrupt people. At worst, he was condoning if not helping them do the corruption.

Either way, incompetence or corruption is at the bottom of this. If you do not think it was corruption by Trump, do you support incompetence?
 
marke said:
If Trump can be blamed for Manafort's sins I suppose we can blame Hillary for Wiener's sins.
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and by the way, are you comparing corruption with sexual deviancy?
 
marke said:
He told you that?
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Of course. We have no secrets. He doesn’t like it when people chant “Jews will not replace us.” It offends, since His Son was part Jewish.
 
veritas1 said:
Sounds to me like Obama is an Iranian asset.:lol:
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Vernon Jarrett, Valerie Jarrett's former father in law reported in an article in the Chicago Tribune on the late 1970s that Middle Eastern Muslims had expressed a determination to funnel money into American politics to back promising Black Muslim candidates. The rest is a matter of stifled public record. Obama likely had every reason to bow down before Saudi King Abdullah when visiting in 2009, since there is ample reason to believe the king financed his schooling and his entrance into politics.
 
marke said:
Vernon Jarrett, Valerie Jarrett's former father in law reported in an article in the Chicago Tribune on the late 1970s that Middle Eastern Muslims had expressed a determination to funnel money into American politics to back promising Black Muslim candidates. The rest is a matter of stifled public record. Obama likely had every reason to bow down before Saudi King Abdullah when visiting in 2009, since there is ample reason to believe the king financed his schooling and his entrance into politics.
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So much cray cray.
 
Luckyone said:
Because he chose these people himself and he put them in office and kept them there until it was untenable no more. If nothing else, he is totally incompetent for choosing all these corrupt people. At worst, he was condoning if not helping them do the corruption.

Either way, incompetence or corruption is at the bottom of this. If you do not think it was corruption by Trump, do you support incompetence?
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LBJ chose Bobby Baker to guide his corrupt dealings in DC and he was just as crooked as Baker even though only Baker went to prison after LBJ shut down the investigation into his corruption after the death of JFK. If one of Trump's associates is accused of using the wrong word in a casual statement he made which was not under oath, why should Trump be blamed for the 'crime' after his democrat enemies send the poor guy to jail for lying?
 
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