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Obama stole money from victims of Iranian terror and gave it to Iranian terrorists

Here is a question for you. How did Obama get the money to give it away in the first place? Did he sneak into the Treasury and raid some federal stash when no one was looking?

I don't know exactly. I do know he had a pen and a phone and the brass to do whatever the heck he wanted to do as Bolshevik in chief, Congress, courts, and the American people notwithstanding.
 
How could they legally give someone's money to somebody else?

Who said it was legal? SCOTUS? No. Congress? No. The American patriotic people? No. The victims of Iranian terror whose money disappeared? No. Crooked democrat supporters? Of course.
 
You post a biased opinion piece as proof of your idiotic assertion?!? GTFOOH


I (and several others) have posted several unbiased, fact based references that absolutely prove what most of us already know: the money belonged to, and was owed to, Iran.

Either you truly are just too entrenched in your own make believe world, or you have decided to continue fighting to support a false story even though you know better. Either way, doesn’t matter to me. I’ve wasted enough time/effort with you. Later.

Let's simplify. Where is the $2 billion in Iranian FMS funds that SCOTUS said (April 2016) was to be given to the American victims of Iranian terrorism?
 
Copied/pasted from RW hate media.

Was SCOTUS' 2016 declaration that $2 billion of Iranian funds in the FMS account was to be given to the American victims of Iranian terror a hate crime on the part of SCOTUS? Where is that money? What happened to the money in the FMS account?
 
American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades. Congress passed a law in 2012 authorizing the US to hold Iranian assets in escrow until the many lawsuits could be settled. Obama signed that law. There were 1,300 American victims seeking relief from Iran who filed suit to claim damages according to that law. Obama signed that law.

However, in January 2016 Obama decided on his own to take that money and give it back to Iran, the same day the hostages were released. 19 days later he sent $1.3 billion more to Iranian terrorists, supposedly because he thought the US owed them that money. The US was holding that money to settle American lawsuits. That was the law. Obama in essence said to hell with the law and to hell with the victims I am going to take it upon myself to give these terrorists the money under the pretense that I think it is still their money.

The SCOTUS ruled in April. 2016, that the money did belong to the American victims, not to Iran. Whew, that was close. If Obama had waited just two more months he would not have been allowed to break the law that SCOTUS upheld just a matter of weeks after he violated the law.

Obama screwed American heroes at Ft. Hood in favor of the Muslim terrorists he refused to call a terrorist. Obama screwed the victims of iranian terrorism by stealing their money before the lawsuits could be settled in accordance with ongoing legal proceedings. He screwed the families of those killed in Benghazi by lying about the cause of the terror attack. He screwed a good cops by calling him stupid for arresting a drunk and disorderly black man who was fighting cops. And many other such embarrassing and despicable things.

And democrat dupes think Trump is bad.

Let me first start by agreeing with the poster that said "give it a rest". Bringing up skeletons is tiresome because is solves nothing.

Nonetheless, let me go one step further to "shoot down your kite". I am supposing that most people (not Trump though) make decisions thinking they are the right ones. Rarely does one find someone that has evil in their mind (unlike Trump). Everyone is human and open to mistakes (ever made a mistake marke?) and even more so when sitting at the top of the leader board such as being President of the United States. In addition, such decisions as you are talking about, are usually made after consulting your Cabinet, lawyers on checking the legality of it, and anyone else that can give you input into it.

Does every decision made by a President been the right one? Absolutely not! In fact, there is not one single President that you can't go back to and find something they did wrong, including Lincoln who chose a bi-partisan running mate in Andrew Johnson that turned out to be a huge mistake.

Did Obama gain any personal benefit from this decision? Absolutely not, meaning that bringing out on such a post of this is pure manipulation by you in trying to turn attention away from Trump, who is a person that makes his own decisions (does not discuss or listen to anyone's opinions), has his own benefit in mind on every decision, is not trying to do what is right other than what is right for him personally and that is incompetent, uninformed, and narcissistic to begin with.
 
Who said it was legal? SCOTUS? No. Congress? No. The American patriotic people? No. The victims of Iranian terror whose money disappeared? No. Crooked democrat supporters? Of course.

Get informed marke!

Here are THE FACTS:

The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.

That left people, businesses and governments in each country indebted to partners in the other, and these complex claims took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses.

The day after the nuclear deal was implemented, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the claim over the 1970s military equipment order, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane, which gave rise to Trump’s dramatic accounts of money stuffed in barrels or boxes and delivered in the dead of night. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later, not crammed into containers.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057
 
Who said it was legal? SCOTUS? No. Congress? No. The American patriotic people? No. The victims of Iranian terror whose money disappeared? No. Crooked democrat supporters? Of course.

It wasn't their money. Iran was given back Iran's money. Why do you hate Obama so as to lie about him in contradiction of the instructions of your alleged faith?
 
Pornographers do not see Trump as helping further their agendas. Thieves and thugs do not see republican support for concealed carry as beneficial to their criminal enterprises. Atheists do not like Trump's sympathy for Christian values. Homosexuals and pot smokers like democrat tolerance more than what Trump has to offer. Criminals do not like to be denied voting privileges, forceful arrests for criminal activities, or long jail sentences commonly upheld by law and order republicans. Abortionists and sexual libertines definitely love tainted democrats and their tainted policies more than godly laws against sinful behavior. Incoming illegal aliens of the future do not want a wall built.

So to sum up, the Democratic Party is made up of pornographers, thieves and thugs, atheists, homosexuals and pot smokers, criminals, abortionists and sexual libertines, and, down the road, illegal aliens. Obviously God is on the republican side, but are there any bad actors in the GOP? Other than Trump, that is, since he seems to fit a few of the above categories.
 
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Obama is literally not President anymore. Nobody cares. He's absolutely right - this kind of idiotic thread is a deflection from real current events.

How about we make a thread on GW Bush's WMDs or Ronald Reagan's Iran-Contra deals?
 
American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades.

I'm sorry but these lawsuits are bogus. It's like Iran suing America in an Iranian court. It's basically theft. If you don't care about relations with the country being sued you can go ahead and confiscate their money. That doesn't make it fair.

So, when negotiating a deal a bogus cash grab will definitely be something that is tossed away.

Why didn't the Iranians sue the U.S. for blowing up an Iranian passenger jet?

When the US shot down an Iranian airliner
 
How about we make a thread on GW Bush's WMDs or Ronald Reagan's Iran-Contra deals?

Good point. I knew a woman who was violated by the Contras. Could she sue?
 
The U.S. never apologized for accidentally shooting down an Iranian passenger jet full of people. No one was punished or demoted. They even later promoted the ship's captain. And they gave the Iranians a paltry settlement.

The point is suing another country in your courts is kind of absurd.

 
Okay so Obama stole money now...that's the claim sorry but as US taxpayer I would have rather have given them 1.7b instead of the 10 billion they sued for or the 4b the court was said to be ready to award.
Obama did many things I did not agree with but one of the main ones was not fighting the right wing narrative effectively. Hopefully the next Democrat realizes just how serious it is and can fight effectively.



This explains the 1.7 billion, which was not US Taxpayer's, not at all.


Was Obama's $1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by U.S. law? | Fact check | The Journal Gazette
 
Pornographers do not see Trump as helping further their agendas. Thieves and thugs do not see republican support for concealed carry as beneficial to their criminal enterprises. Atheists do not like Trump's sympathy for Christian values. Homosexuals and pot smokers like democrat tolerance more than what Trump has to offer. Criminals do not like to be denied voting privileges, forceful arrests for criminal activities, or long jail sentences commonly upheld by law and order republicans. Abortionists and sexual libertines definitely love tainted democrats and their tainted policies more than godly laws against sinful behavior. Incoming illegal aliens of the future do not want a wall built.


I should have thought your boogeyman dispenser would be empty by now, but I just didn't see how big the device was.
 

Well, that was complicated. Thanks for the link. It does clear it up.

Obama administration officials had claimed that without a deal with Iran, the Hague tribunal might have imposed an even higher interest penalty on the United States.

Bellinger agreed that that was a concern. "There was a significant risk, based on its judgments in recent years, the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal would have issued a decision awarding a larger amount to Iran," he said. "If the tribunal had done that, and the U.S. government was then unwilling or unable to pay the award, the U.S. would have violated its obligations under the Algiers Accords." He said "it was prudent to settle the claims, even if it required the U.S. to take the highly unpalatable action of making a payment to Iran."
 
Supreme Court allows families of terrorism victims to collect nearly $2 billion in seized Iranian assets from the frozen Iranian FMS account Washington Post, April 20, 2016.

Can you explain the $2 billion in a way that does not limit it to $400,000? And was that Iranian money ever paid to the American victims of brutal Iranian Muslim terror?

SCOTUS simply upheld a law pressed by Republicans in Congress. I know that Obama didn't violate any laws. It was fully investigated. Its your right to disagree with the Iran Nuclear deal. Its pretty damn simple really. Why should I spend scads of time trying to convince an ideolog who can't be convinced off a misguided belief.
 
Let me first start by agreeing with the poster that said "give it a rest". Bringing up skeletons is tiresome because is solves nothing.

Nonetheless, let me go one step further to "shoot down your kite". I am supposing that most people (not Trump though) make decisions thinking they are the right ones. Rarely does one find someone that has evil in their mind (unlike Trump). Everyone is human and open to mistakes (ever made a mistake marke?) and even more so when sitting at the top of the leader board such as being President of the United States. In addition, such decisions as you are talking about, are usually made after consulting your Cabinet, lawyers on checking the legality of it, and anyone else that can give you input into it.

Does every decision made by a President been the right one? Absolutely not! In fact, there is not one single President that you can't go back to and find something they did wrong, including Lincoln who chose a bi-partisan running mate in Andrew Johnson that turned out to be a huge mistake.

Did Obama gain any personal benefit from this decision? Absolutely not, meaning that bringing out on such a post of this is pure manipulation by you in trying to turn attention away from Trump, who is a person that makes his own decisions (does not discuss or listen to anyone's opinions), has his own benefit in mind on every decision, is not trying to do what is right other than what is right for him personally and that is incompetent, uninformed, and narcissistic to begin with.

Obama had his reputation as master negotiator at stake. he traded the $400 million for hostages at the exact moment he was trying to tout his new nuclear agreement with Iran a huge success. The nuclear deal was a horrendous failure. Obama got bamboozled by wicked lying Iranians who hate God and America and have been funding worldwide terror murder for decades. It is hard to imagine the utter stupidity of anyone who thinks Iranian terrorists can be turned into peace loving neighbors if you bribe them with enough money.

Obama may not have known the money he took belonged to American victims of Iranian terror by federal law enacted in 2012 and verified by SCOTUS decision in 2016.
 
Get informed marke!

Here are THE FACTS:

The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.

That left people, businesses and governments in each country indebted to partners in the other, and these complex claims took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses.

The day after the nuclear deal was implemented, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the claim over the 1970s military equipment order, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest. The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane, which gave rise to Trump’s dramatic accounts of money stuffed in barrels or boxes and delivered in the dead of night. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later, not crammed into containers.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057

The $400 million was frozen under designation as Iran's "Foreign Military Sales" (FMS) account. That is the same money given to victims of Iranian terror in 2000, in 2007, in 2012, and finally in 2016 by federal laws and court decisions. The amount designated from the FMS account to be given to American victims of Iranian terror was nearly $2 billion in 2016. You can spin all around those facts as long as you do not deny those facts.
 
It wasn't their money. Iran was given back Iran's money. Why do you hate Obama so as to lie about him in contradiction of the instructions of your alleged faith?

Why do you keep saying the Iranian terrorists owned the money that was never theirs in the first place and which Congress and American courts confiscated anyway to give it to victims of Iranian terror? The money originally belonged to the shah but the moronic Muslim terrorists ran him off in 1979. Similar in some ways to Hitler's seizing of Jewish assets, the Shah's money never belonged to the terrorists even though they deposed him and ran him off.
 
So to sum up, the Democratic Party is made up of pornographers, thieves and thugs, atheists, homosexuals and pot smokers, criminals, abortionists and sexual libertines, and, down the road, illegal aliens. Obviously God is on the republican side, but are there any bad actors in the GOP? Other than Trump, that is, since he seems to fit a few of the above categories.

No, you have it wrong. The democrat party is the party of choice for atheists, for socialists, for communists, for radicals, for anarchists, for evolutionists, for big government control of mankind, for thugs, for racists and other ungodly barbarian types. The democrats were the first to move to stop prayer and Bible reading in schools and they did try to kick God out of their 2012 convention in Charlotte.
 
I'm sorry but these lawsuits are bogus. It's like Iran suing America in an Iranian court. It's basically theft. If you don't care about relations with the country being sued you can go ahead and confiscate their money. That doesn't make it fair.

So, when negotiating a deal a bogus cash grab will definitely be something that is tossed away.

Why didn't the Iranians sue the U.S. for blowing up an Iranian passenger jet?

When the US shot down an Iranian airliner

I see. Perhaps Obama thought like you do. Perhaps he thought those lawsuits against radical bloody Muslim Iranian terrorists were unfair and not just, no matter that Congress and courts gave the victims $2 billion from the Iranian FMS account.
 
SCOTUS simply upheld a law pressed by Republicans in Congress. I know that Obama didn't violate any laws. It was fully investigated. Its your right to disagree with the Iran Nuclear deal. Its pretty damn simple really. Why should I spend scads of time trying to convince an ideolog who can't be convinced off a misguided belief.

Obama did not violate a law he signed and SCOTUS upheld because republicans pressed him to do it, making the law of none effect and powerless over him and his administration? Do you even think about what you are saying before you utter the words?
 
No, you have it wrong. The democrat party is the party of choice for atheists, for socialists, for communists, for radicals, for anarchists, for evolutionists, for big government control of mankind, for thugs, for racists and other ungodly barbarian types. The democrats were the first to move to stop prayer and Bible reading in schools and they did try to kick God out of their 2012 convention in Charlotte.

You forgot homosexuals in your list of unacceptable Americans, or do you file them in your hate cabinet under "ungodly barbarian types." And given how diverse America has become, it's a good idea to keep Bibles and Korans and Torahs out of public schools, don't you think? Btw, God wasn't upset at the snub in Charlotte; He got more angry at Trump over Charlolottesville.
 
American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades. Congress passed a law in 2012 authorizing the US to hold Iranian assets in escrow until the many lawsuits could be settled. Obama signed that law. There were 1,300 American victims seeking relief from Iran who filed suit to claim damages according to that law. Obama signed that law.

However, in January 2016 Obama decided on his own to take that money and give it back to Iran, the same day the hostages were released. 19 days later he sent $1.3 billion more to Iranian terrorists, supposedly because he thought the US owed them that money. The US was holding that money to settle American lawsuits. That was the law. Obama in essence said to hell with the law and to hell with the victims I am going to take it upon myself to give these terrorists the money under the pretense that I think it is still their money.

The SCOTUS ruled in April. 2016, that the money did belong to the American victims, not to Iran. Whew, that was close. If Obama had waited just two more months he would not have been allowed to break the law that SCOTUS upheld just a matter of weeks after he violated the law.

Obama screwed American heroes at Ft. Hood in favor of the Muslim terrorists he refused to call a terrorist. Obama screwed the victims of iranian terrorism by stealing their money before the lawsuits could be settled in accordance with ongoing legal proceedings. He screwed the families of those killed in Benghazi by lying about the cause of the terror attack. He screwed a good cops by calling him stupid for arresting a drunk and disorderly black man who was fighting cops. And many other such embarrassing and despicable things.

And democrat dupes think Trump is bad.

I don't think anyone or anything will convince you of anything but what you already believe. No matter how many links or suggestions for sources you are given. As far as the Fort Hood massacre I think the victims and victims families were treated unfairly and it took too long to give them their due. I fault the army bureaucracy for that as well as Obama's willingness to let the DOD handle the aftermath of Fort Hood. Kudos to Republicans for stepping in to get them purple medals and the benefits that go along. Search was Obama's 1.7 billion payout to Iran legal? I'll take one last stab at it although I am sure it won't make you leaven your view any at all.
 
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