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Rand Paul to have surgery in Canada due to injuries sustained during assault

sangha said:
Are you saying Rand deliberately incurred personal out-of-pocket medical expenses so he could demand financial compensation from his attacker?
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No I am not. I’ve read an article that wasn’t too friendly of him. The operation will not involve using a mesh or mesh type procedures. He shouldn’t be forced to have some quack fix him up. But he should not be limited to finding help in just this country. If he’s flying, that part should be born to his pocket alone.
 
Tom Horn said:
No I am not.
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Thank you.
I’ve read an article that wasn’t too friendly of him. The operation will not involve using a mesh or mesh type procedures. He shouldn’t be forced to have some quack fix him up. But he should not be limited to finding help in just this country. If he’s flying, that part should be born to his pocket alone.
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He is not limited to getting care in the US only. Obviously.

The issue is, if socialized medicine is as bad as he claims it is, why is he getting his care from a socialized health care system when he can get care in the US which, according to the right wing, has the best health care system in the world?
 
sangha said:
Thank you.


He is not limited to getting care in the US only. Obviously.

The issue is, if socialized medicine is as bad as he claims it is, why is he getting his care from a socialized health care system when he can get care in the US which, according to the right wing, has the best health care system in the world?
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My only assumption can be he is having the best doctor and team treat him that he could find.
 
HumblePi said:
Since when is counter-terrorism a bad thing? Is there really anything more important for both the integrity and security of our country? If there is, let me know.

Yes you are correct. My head is exactly where it should be and that's the national interests and protection of this country.
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:lamo

So you **** yourself over an effort to IMPROVE relationships, especially where counter terrorism is cited as a goal, but claim its really important for both the integrity and security of our country.

:lamo

Yeah...your head is right where it looks like it is.
 
Tom Horn said:
My only assumption can be he is having the best doctor and team treat him that he could find.
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That is not an assumption. It is a fact.

And the logical conclusion to make from his seeking treatment outside the US is that the US does not have the best health care system in the world. At least, not in all respects
 
sangha said:
That is not an assumption. It is a fact.

And the logical conclusion to make from his seeking treatment outside the US is that the US does not have the best health care system in the world. At least, not in all respects
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I will not argue anything about this post you made. Don’t go assuming his intent though.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

So you **** yourself over an effort to IMPROVE relationships, especially where counter terrorism is cited as a goal, but claim its really important for both the integrity and security of our country.

:lamo

Yeah...your head is right where it looks like it is.
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I'm trying very hard to make some sort of sense out of your comment, but I just can't.
 
Tom Horn said:
I will not argue anything about this post you made. Don’t go assuming his intent though.
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Fair enough.

And he might not have been seeking out the best treatment. Maybe he was looking for something less expensive than what the US offers
 
sangha said:
Fair enough.

And he might not have been seeking out the best treatment. Maybe he was looking for something less expensive than what the US offers
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That’s possible too. But he for all purposes owns his neighbors house, truck and cabin in the woods.
 
I think it is in incredibly bad taste to politicize somebody's health situation, hypocrite politician or not.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Rand Paul to have surgery in Canada due to injuries sustained during assault

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Canada? Senator Paul loves Russia so much, why not schedule the hernia surgery during his next jaunt to Moscow? You're not setting a good example komrade.

Related: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is going to Canada for surgery
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He's in my thoughts and prayers.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You sure about that? A U.S. insurer reimbursing a client for elective surgery outside the U.S.? Maybe you’re right, I’m just curious.
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I had a medical situation while on vacation in Mexico once. I did end up getting reimbursed by Anthem, but they ended up not covering what they would have if it had happened in this country. And that happened because I was there - I didn't go there specifically to seek treatment.

He probably won't get the full cost reimbursed. Most of it? Some of it? Yes, maybe. But it likely won't be covered as it would have been if he visited a hospital in Lexington.
 
tres borrachos said:
I had a medical situation while on vacation in Mexico once. I did end up getting reimbursed by Anthem, but they ended up not covering what they would have if it had happened in this country. And that happened because I was there - I didn't go there specifically to seek treatment.

He probably won't get the full cost reimbursed. Most of it? Some of it? Yes, maybe. But it likely won't be covered as it would have been if he visited a hospital in Lexington.
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Agree. Some reimbursement possibly, but maybe not as much as if he’d gone out of network within the U.S..
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
But the fact that this exists alongside universal health care destroys the conservative argument. You can have great healthcare AND universal healthcare.
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No you can’t, because if this service was covered by the Canadian healthcare system it would be illegal to offer it outside of the government system
 
sangha said:
Thank you.


He is not limited to getting care in the US only. Obviously.

The issue is, if socialized medicine is as bad as he claims it is, why is he getting his care from a socialized health care system when he can get care in the US which, according to the right wing, has the best health care system in the world?
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He is not going to a socialized healthcare system so already your premise is wrong. It might well be that certain elective procedures not covered by the Canadian medical system (like this one) might well be cheaper if for no reason other than the exchange rate. It is totally irrelevant to the argument for single payer healthcare which is gravely immoral.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No you can’t, because if this service was covered by the Canadian healthcare system it would be illegal to offer it outside of the government system
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Checked earlier for a duplicate thread - you can too, the hospital has a live chat. They confirmed for me today that if I were to go there, as a resident of Ontario, my entire treatment would cost me exactly as much as at a regular hospital, with the majority of it covered, and a charge for the additional nights they keep you in semi-private rooms.

Please post where it is illegal for Canadian hospitals to offer their services to folks from out of the country? You think that if you're visiting here, and you need help, we'll put you on a plane? You, or your insurance company, will be charged, to be sure...but we can and do look after our foreign friends.
 
His money, he can spend it however he chooses.
 
OlNate said:
Checked earlier for a duplicate thread - you can too, the hospital has a live chat. They confirmed for me today that if I were to go there, as a resident of Ontario, my entire treatment would cost me exactly as much as at a regular hospital, with the majority of it covered, and a charge for the additional nights they keep you in semi-private rooms.

Please post where it is illegal for Canadian hospitals to offer their services to folks from out of the country? You think that if you're visiting here, and you need help, we'll put you on a plane? You, or your insurance company, will be charged, to be sure...but we can and do look after our foreign friends.
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No, in Canada the public health care system has a monopoly on services it offers. You cannot offer services or insurance for services to be provided in Canada outside of the public insurance system. Much like the postal service bans competing letter carrier services


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EMNofSeattle said:
No, in Canada the public health care system has a monopoly on services it offers. You cannot offer services or insurance for services to be provided in Canada outside of the public insurance system. Much like the postal service bans competing letter carrier services


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I feel like I'm not understanding you, because I know you're not telling me how my health care system works, and think you're going to know more about it than me...lol...

Personal story to vet that out. My wife's cousin married a girl from South Korea. She moved here while on her student visa, and got pregnant. The baby was due before she was going to be a citizen. She gave birth in a Canadian hospital, and was presented with a bill. She was not covered under the Canadian Health insurance plan, because she was not a citizen.

Does this negate or line up with what you are saying?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, in Canada the public health care system has a monopoly on services it offers. You cannot offer services or insurance for services to be provided in Canada outside of the public insurance system. Much like the postal service bans competing letter carrier services
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How exactly do you know more than a Canadian about Canadian healthcare?

Amazing.
 
OlNate said:
I feel like I'm not understanding you, because I know you're not telling me how my health care system works, and think you're going to know more about it than me...lol...

Personal story to vet that out. My wife's cousin married a girl from South Korea. She moved here while on her student visa, and got pregnant. The baby was due before she was going to be a citizen. She gave birth in a Canadian hospital, and was presented with a bill. She was not covered under the Canadian Health insurance plan, because she was not a citizen.

Does this negate or line up with what you are saying?
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Because you’re purposefully trying to lie about what I am saying. I never said a non-canadian could not get care in a Canadian hospital. I said Canadian hospitals and clinics may not offer private services that compete with a service offered by the single payer system.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Because you’re purposefully trying to lie about what I am saying. I never said a non-canadian could not get care in a Canadian hospital. I said Canadian hospitals and clinics may not offer private services that compete with a service offered by the single payer system.
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Oy vey, the drama...if I were "purposefully trying to lie about what you're saying", I wouldn't have given you the opportunity to clarify, and admit that I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Do you need a minute to get regain your composure? Good grief. :roll:

So, now that I understand you better, I can agree - we do not allow for multi tier health care. A basic standard of care will be provided to all Canadians, rich or poor being irrelevant. Rich folks can opt to pay for additional services or frills, but a poor person will never have to worry about not getting a lesser quality heart transplant than a rich person. I think that's something to be proud of.
 
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