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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which McConnell has already said he would not send legislation to the President he will not sign.
    So the Dems should learn they need to cooperate.
    Which brings us full circle back to my original point that McConnell is holding up the next step.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    We only have a shutdown because we have such a weak president.

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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Which brings us full circle back to my original point that McConnell is holding up the next step.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Which brings us full circle back to my original point that McConnell is holding up the next step.
    No. Preventing something from moving forward because it will not be approved is not holding anything up, simply because it will not be approved.

    Holding things up is what they are all doing by not cooperating with each other.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    Since you aren’t willing to pick up a dictionary, I’ll help you out.

    From OED: capitulate
    VERB
    [NO OBJECT]
    Cease to resist an opponent or an unwelcome demand; yield.

    cooperate
    (also co-operate)
    VERB
    [NO OBJECT]
    1Work jointly towards the same end.

    You no longer have any reason for your ignorance.

    You’re welcome.
    Oy vey. My ignorance?
    The only ignorance and absurdity here is your own.
    You clearly understand that under marriage capitulation can be cooperation, but still fail to actuality acknowledge it can be under negotiations.
    That is just absurdity.

    Yes, cooperation, regardless if by force, is still cooperation.

    But this is regards to negotiations, not forced. Tit for tat. Yet the Dems are failing to negotiate.


    As for further info about your ignorance claim

    While I already know what capitulate means, I also understand why you only provided the root definition when the word on it ls own has a slightly different definition.

    capitulation

    : a set of terms or articles (see article sense 1c) constituting an agreement between governments

    2a : the act of surrendering or yielding the capitulation of the defenders of the besieged town

    b : the terms of surrender

    You no longer have any reason to feign ignorance, especially as you already knew by it's application in a marriage scenario.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    I used the definition of extortion, and all you respond with is "nuh uh!".
    That is right, because extortion is not part and parcel of negotiations between the branches of a government. Which you should have comprehended when I said what I did. "Extortion covers that which is actual extortion, not that which is part and parcel of negotiations."
    The use of extortion is nothing more than hyperbole on your part, not reality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    Sorry, doesn't work that way.
    Yeah, it does.
    Hyperbole doesn't cut it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    There is no negotiation in what Trump is doing
    iLOL Wrong.
    There is no negotiation when Pelosi says she will not approve any money for the barrier/wall when she certainly could say she wants something in exchange for such approval.


    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    Trump submitted his budget earlier this year and only asked for $1B or so for border security. He never asked for $5.7B. This figure did not show up until this latest CR fight. Totally out of the blue.
    Irrelevant, or are you of the opinion that things are static and can not change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airyaman View Post
    Trump has not even begun to really spend the $1B he was already given. Why not?

    Because this has nothing to do with honest negotiation.
    iLOL An unsupportable claim.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oy vey. My ignorance?
    The only ignorance and absurdity here is your own.
    You clearly understand that under marriage capitulation can be cooperation, but still fail to actuality acknowledge it can be under negotiations.
    That is just absurdity.

    Yes, cooperation, regardless if by force, is still cooperation.

    But this is regards to negotiations, not forced. Tit for tat. Yet the Dems are failing to negotiate.


    As for further info about your ignorance claim

    While I already know what capitulate means, I also understand why you only provided the root definition when the word on it ls own has a slightly different definition.

    capitulation

    : a set of terms or articles (see article sense 1c) constituting an agreement between governments

    2a : the act of surrendering or yielding the capitulation of the defenders of the besieged town

    b : the terms of surrender

    You no longer have any reason to feign ignorance, especially as you already knew by it's application in a marriage scenario.
    I tried to help you, but it’s clear that you’re incapable of learning. Oh well.

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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    I tried to help you, but it’s clear that you’re incapable of learning. Oh well.
    You are clearly confused. You do not have the upper hand here.

    The reality is that I tried to help you, but it’s clear that you’re incapable of learning.

    They are all are not cooperating and are responsible for that.
    Period.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    We only have a shutdown because we have such a weak president.
    Hilariously untrue.
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    Re: 'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    To the emboldened. No reason to speak about something that isn't going to happen.
    All this is irrelevant to the cooperation that is going to be required. They are all responsible for their lack thereof.
    That's fair, though I don't see equal blame, and it seems the public is with me in this.

    The biggest issue I see, is Trump forcing a shutdown over this. Quite honestly, despite all our fair & reasonable discussion here, I still see letting Trump essentially hold the government hostage (as I see it) as a dangerous precedent that Congress cannot accede to. I just don't see how they can allow him to get away with it.

    I would hope not, and I severely doubt it would come to this, but the very worst case scenario is this gets decided by an election in 2020.
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