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'Out for long time': Trump tweets as US shutdown sets new record

So you think the president is king and congress is there to only serve the president, got it. Unless of course it is a dem president and then you are ok with congress not giving the president what he wants.

He won't admit that, but we all KNOW it to be the case.:roll: You can't support Trump and be ethical, it is an oxymoron chosen only by (often willful) morons.:roll:

Their support is about how he makes them FEEL and their posts illustrate that well.
 
Let’s get everyone on official record. The House has passed a bill. Mcconnell should allow the Senate to vote so everyone is on record. And if it manages to pass the Senate then Trump can veto. As of right now the House has done their step.
 
No way would the founders approve a President defying and dictating to the duly-elected Congress like this.

Based on the rules put in place, where the President decides what he signs into law or not, your claim is lame.
They would likely chide all parties involved for not cooperating with the others involved.
They would also likely understand and support the need for a barrier/wall and demand the Dems support it as well.
 
Let’s get everyone on official record. The House has passed a bill. Mcconnell should allow the Senate to vote so everyone is on record. And if it manages to pass the Senate then Trump can veto. As of right now the House has done their step.
They did not pass anything the President would sign (lack of cooperation) so they have not done their job.
 
No.
Tell the House to start cooperating and negotiating instead.

Why should the House get what they want without cooperating and compromising with what the President wants?
They are in no position to make demands.
The only position they can take is one of cooperation with the other parties.
^^ Horse crap, as usual.

You mistake cooperation with capitulation. Trump had 2 years of total control and didn’t do squat about building a wall. Now he must “cooperate” with the Dems who are willing to fund border security measures minus his precious wall.
 
Yeah (iLOL) no. Extortion covers that which is actual extortion, not that which is part and parcel of negotiations.





Why are you creating a fiction to argue?
Did I say such nonsense or did I perhaps say I they are all responsible for not cooperating?

Do you always create fictions to argue?





Really? :looksatyousideways: Really? :lamo
That is not a reason why the should House get what they want without cooperating and compromising.
The House sets the budget, what more can I say? Argue with the framers ...
 
Then he can veto it.
Which McConnell has already said he would not send legislation to the President he will not sign.
So the Dems should learn they need to cooperate.
 
^^ Horse crap, as usual.

You mistake cooperation with capitulation.
Yes, your reply is horse crap as usual.
Clearly you do not understand that capitulation can be cooperation.
 
The House sets the budget, what more can I say? Argue with the framers ...
And the President decides if he signs it or not.
Argue with the framers of that portion. Or instead, you can understand that cooperation is in order and the parties involved are all responsible for the lack thereof.
 
Which McConnell has already said he would not send legislation to the President he will not sign.
So the Dems should learn they need to cooperate.

Has McConnel been abducted by aliens, or just gone dark for a week or two?
 
That's perhaps the scariest of all.

No way, I'd LOVE to see DC Water cut off the White House pipes. Sure hope Twumpy's been storing up some water in jugs...NOT.
In any case, if he's eating anything prepared by the White House chef service, it's a pretty good bet that he's been consuming record amounts of someone else's spit.
 
They think electing a dictator every four years is how it's supposed to work.
I was taught that the US isn't a nation in the sense that England or France is a nation, that the US is a group of united states under the umbrella of a Congress elected to govern them, and that the President is elected by the states to execute the decisions of the Congress.
All this crap about shutting down the government and declaring a national emergency is just using loopholes put in place long after the framers designed the US government as a way to get around the limits of Presidential power intended by the founders.
Hell, Thomas Jefferson, if he saw this happening, would say dissolve the Union and start over. No way would the founders approve a President defying and dictating to the duly-elected Congress like this.

edit- I highlighted the nuts of this post. The rest is just me indulging my wordy inclination.

Well, the "united states" is something being debated by various shades of right wingers right now. A lot of them would like to return to the time early on in the turn of the 18th century when we were still trying to be separate sovereign states.
(Articles of Confederation)

As it stands now, Jefferson wouldn't be able to dissolve and start over. But he'd probably be considering other remedies. :lamo
 
And the President decides if he signs it or not.
Argue with the framers of that portion. Or instead, you can understand that cooperation is in order and the parties involved are all responsible for the lack thereof.
Yes, that's his prerogative.
 
Clearly you need a proper dictionary.
What a stupid thing to say.
Why do you not understand that capitulation can be cooperation.
If you are married you should certainly understand that.
 
What a stupid thing to say.
Why do you not understand that capitulation can be cooperation.
If you are married you should certainly understand that.
LOL! I’ve been happily married for over 30 years. You don’t accomplish that feat without mastering the art of knowing when to seek cooperation and when to strategically capitulate.
 
Yeah (iLOL) no. Extortion covers that which is actual extortion, not that which is part and parcel of negotiations.

I used the definition of extortion, and all you respond with is "nuh uh!".

Sorry, doesn't work that way.

There is no negotiation in what Trump is doing

Trump submitted his budget earlier this year and only asked for $1B or so for border security. He never asked for $5.7B. This figure did not show up until this latest CR fight. Totally out of the blue.

Trump has not even begun to really spend the $1B he was already given. Why not?

Because this has nothing to do with honest negotiation.
 
LOL! I’ve been happily married for over 30 years. You don’t accomplish that feat without mastering the art of knowing when to seek cooperation and when to strategically capitulate.
While it may be a learned art in marriage, it doesn't change the fact that capitulation can be cooperation.
And in the sense of government negotiations it is. You capitulate to get what you want in exchange.
That is called cooperating.
 
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So you then understand that there needs to be cooperation between those involved?
Of course. But in the end, Congress determines the finalized budget, even if by veto override. Unfortunately, we are not there yet.

So they (Congress) do have the (ultimate) Constitutional authority to set the budget. Not the President. There's a reason why Congress is Article 1.
 
While it may be an learned art in marriage, it doesn't change the fact that capitulation can be cooperation.
And in the sense of government negotiations it is. You capitulate to get what you want in exchange.
That is called cooperating.

Since you aren’t willing to pick up a dictionary, I’ll help you out.

From OED: capitulate
VERB
[NO OBJECT]
Cease to resist an opponent or an unwelcome demand; yield.

cooperate
(also co-operate)
VERB
[NO OBJECT]
1Work jointly towards the same end.

You no longer have any reason for your ignorance.

You’re welcome.
 
Of course. But in the end, Congress determines the finalized budget, even if by veto override. Unfortunately, we are not there yet.

So they (Congress) do have the (ultimate) Constitutional authority to set the budget. Not the President. There's a reason why Congress is Article 1.
To the emboldened. No reason to speak about something that isn't going to happen.
All this is irrelevant to the cooperation that is going to be required. They are all responsible for their lack thereof.
 
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