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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Americans talked with Russians? Why is that strange? Russia gave Bill Clinton half a million dollars for making one speech one time. Before the election. Is that crooked? Why would it be crooked?
    Democrats are playing on American gullibility by pushing such stupid crap hype.
    Marke, I always wonder whether Truth/fact is of any importance to you. Every single time you put up any information it is always skewed to your viewpoint.

    Here are the facts. From 2002 to 2012, Clinton made 13 speeches in which he was paid at least $500,000. He actually made over $104 million dollars. Here is the list and you will notice that only one of them was Russia.

    2003 -- Japan, $500,000 Sakura Asset Management (Japanese finance corporation) (A note: This speech was canceled, but the fee went to Clinton’s presidential library foundation);

    2008 -- California, $500,000, Power Within (life coach Anthony Robbins’ brand);

    2010 -- Russia, $500,000, Renaissance Capital (Russian finance corporation);

    2010 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Novo Nordisk (Danish pharmaceutical company);

    2011 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2011 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2011 -- Netherlands, $600,000, Achmea (Dutch finance corporation);

    2011 -- China, $550,000, Huatuo CEO Forum (business conference);

    2011 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Abu Dhabi Global Environmental Data Initiative (international environmental information organization);

    2011 -- Hong Kong, $750,000, Ericsson (Swedish multinational communications technology company);

    2012 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2012 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2012 -- Italy, $500,000, Technogym (fitness equipment manufacturer).

    This is what is called being an entrepreneur and a Capitalist, which is something that all Republicans support, including Trump. There was nothing suspicious about his speeches .

    On the other side of the coin, at least 16 people next to Trump have had contacts with Russia, and unlike Clinton, those meetings were not announced, had no clear entrepreneurship attached to them, and they all lied about the meetings when asked.

    Even someone as biased toward Trump has to see there is something fishy there, no?

    Your example is bogus.
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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Marke, I always wonder whether Truth/fact is of any importance to you. Every single time you put up any information it is always skewed to your viewpoint.

    Here are the facts. From 2002 to 2012, Clinton made 13 speeches in which he was paid at least $500,000. He actually made over $104 million dollars. Here is the list and you will notice that only one of them was Russia.

    2003 -- Japan, $500,000 Sakura Asset Management (Japanese finance corporation) (A note: This speech was canceled, but the fee went to Clinton’s presidential library foundation);

    2008 -- California, $500,000, Power Within (life coach Anthony Robbins’ brand);

    2010 -- Russia, $500,000, Renaissance Capital (Russian finance corporation);

    2010 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Novo Nordisk (Danish pharmaceutical company);

    2011 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2011 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2011 -- Netherlands, $600,000, Achmea (Dutch finance corporation);

    2011 -- China, $550,000, Huatuo CEO Forum (business conference);

    2011 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Abu Dhabi Global Environmental Data Initiative (international environmental information organization);

    2011 -- Hong Kong, $750,000, Ericsson (Swedish multinational communications technology company);

    2012 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2012 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2012 -- Italy, $500,000, Technogym (fitness equipment manufacturer).

    This is what is called being an entrepreneur and a Capitalist, which is something that all Republicans support, including Trump. There was nothing suspicious about his speeches .

    On the other side of the coin, at least 16 people next to Trump have had contacts with Russia, and unlike Clinton, those meetings were not announced, had no clear entrepreneurship attached to them, and they all lied about the meetings when asked.

    Even someone as biased toward Trump has to see there is something fishy there, no?

    Your example is bogus.
    Naw, it was TOTALLY innocent, it's just not anybody's biz but Trump's. Trump is king right? So if he's king of the #1 country then he's obviously king (and emporer) of the whole world. How DARE you question that. Dumm libruls, what can ya do?

    Innocent people lie all the time so stupid people like the libturd left won't make up phony conspiracies, and it's typical behavior for innocent fols, to defend themself, EVERYBODY knows that. Trump should shoot Mueller, his base would find that perfectly admirable.
    True far right conservatism, is based in selfishness, fueled by fear, and practiced by preaching that government always fails, then, when in office, proving it. Once accomplished, private entities, based on nothing but greed are there to replace government services and pick the meat off the bones of the people.

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by markjs View Post
    Naw, it was TOTALLY innocent, it's just not anybody's biz but Trump's. Trump is king right? So if he's king of the #1 country then he's obviously king (and emporer) of the whole world. How DARE you question that. Dumm libruls, what can ya do?

    Innocent people lie all the time so stupid people like the libturd left won't make up phony conspiracies, and it's typical behavior for innocent fols, to defend themself, EVERYBODY knows that. Trump should shoot Mueller, his base would find that perfectly admirable.
    You seem to be drunk as your post makes no sense, is full or typing errors and is ironic, which you have never shown a tendency to be.

    Go at that bottle marke, it is the only solace you have from the reality of Trump.
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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    You seem to be drunk as your post makes no sense, is full or typing errors and is ironic, which you have never shown a tendency to be.

    Go at that bottle marke, it is the only solace you have from the reality of Trump.
    I'm not marke, he posts ludicrous stuff like I just did, I'm poking fun at what scares the **** out of me. That these folks have SO lost their grip, they will literally give Trump a mulligan on EVERYTHING and ANYTHING as long as it A. Get's the libs, and B, makes them feel empowered, and C. expresses common fear of non whites.

    I mean these people THINK he's kept promises. Not even the tax cut fulfilled campaign promises. It was an economic sugar rush, givaway to donor class. They feel like "Hey I save $30 a year, Trump cares about ME PERSONALLY!" But the promise was to close loopholes (fail)

    That he and his friends would pay more, another lie. They carefully craft the argument always shifting goalp[osts to tell us how wonderful he is, when he hasn't done crap, has no actual policy and the show has been run by the incopetents around him. ANYONE could have done whatr he's done, better than he could have!

    The lies just go endlessly and literally, in some of their feeble minds, a decent GDP number, a $0.10 bump in wages and a reasonably good market, is PROFF that Trump is all wonder and ANYONE who dislikes him can ONLY dilike him based of "fake news" . I swear many of themliterally seem to believe, that if you don't lkike Trump, it's willful and arbitrary without any sound reason. It boggles the mind. It really is a cult, and when this is over, there will be BILLIONS Spent on pscichaitry and "deprogramming". Crazy as that sounds, it's not, it will be the case.

    The most ardent of his supporters around here, they'll go quiet for a bit, but once they think their posts are forgotten, the denials of having supported him will be ABUNDANT!
    True far right conservatism, is based in selfishness, fueled by fear, and practiced by preaching that government always fails, then, when in office, proving it. Once accomplished, private entities, based on nothing but greed are there to replace government services and pick the meat off the bones of the people.

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The FBI demonstrated grave concern about a sitting president acting like a Russian agent, and that is all the effort you put into deflecting for him?

    Lazy.
    The FBI doesn't think. Comey thinks. Strzok thinks. Mueller thinks. But who cares what the biased partisans rooting for Hillary and trying to destroy Trump think?

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Marke, I always wonder whether Truth/fact is of any importance to you. Every single time you put up any information it is always skewed to your viewpoint.

    Here are the facts. From 2002 to 2012, Clinton made 13 speeches in which he was paid at least $500,000. He actually made over $104 million dollars. Here is the list and you will notice that only one of them was Russia.

    2003 -- Japan, $500,000 Sakura Asset Management (Japanese finance corporation) (A note: This speech was canceled, but the fee went to Clinton’s presidential library foundation);

    2008 -- California, $500,000, Power Within (life coach Anthony Robbins’ brand);

    2010 -- Russia, $500,000, Renaissance Capital (Russian finance corporation);

    2010 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Novo Nordisk (Danish pharmaceutical company);

    2011 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2011 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2011 -- Netherlands, $600,000, Achmea (Dutch finance corporation);

    2011 -- China, $550,000, Huatuo CEO Forum (business conference);

    2011 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Abu Dhabi Global Environmental Data Initiative (international environmental information organization);

    2011 -- Hong Kong, $750,000, Ericsson (Swedish multinational communications technology company);

    2012 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper);

    2012 -- Austria, $500,000, Center for Global Dialogue and Cooperation (Austrian nongovernmental organization);

    2012 -- Italy, $500,000, Technogym (fitness equipment manufacturer).

    This is what is called being an entrepreneur and a Capitalist, which is something that all Republicans support, including Trump. There was nothing suspicious about his speeches .

    On the other side of the coin, at least 16 people next to Trump have had contacts with Russia, and unlike Clinton, those meetings were not announced, had no clear entrepreneurship attached to them, and they all lied about the meetings when asked.

    Even someone as biased toward Trump has to see there is something fishy there, no?

    Your example is bogus.
    Bill is cleared since he only made one speech for which the Russians paid him half a million dollars? Why is he clean while so many business people who got no money from Russia are to be deemed guilty of some unknown crime for talking to Russians about who knows what?

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Well, that's more effort than marke put into it. I'll give you that.

    The FBI is/was concerned. They started an investigation before Mueller became special counsel. Mueller is continuing the investigation. Whatever there is proof of, I'm sure it's being uncovered. Hopefully we'll have a report fairly soon.

    But there is so very much material to sort through ... so very many connections between Russia and Trump and Trump's criminal or otherwise shady associates ... that we have to give it time.

    Not to mention decades of Russian mob association, money laundering, bribery and countless other crimes that have been doubtlessly uncovered...

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't like Trump, but his business dealings have put him in the company of many Russians. Business dealings. Can other dealings be possible? Of course. So where is the proof? It's been a couple of years and none has been delivered. Let's find the real crime. Infidelity, character defects, lies, sleaze, immorality, narcissism, and nearly no end of options. So many places to seek this illicit behaviour, but collusion will never fly. He is in collusion with MBS in Saudi Arabia. Death and destruction in Syria and LIbya. Starvation, famine, dead kids in Yemen. Cut the nonsense and direct inquiries in more productive directions, eh?
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    Mueller is digging where he's been allowed to dig. Mueller seems to me to be one smart, patriotic MF and I would guess (and hope) that he's been collecting all he can and putting Easter Eggs in the baskets of state and local prosecutors where possible. I hope SA, Syria and Libyan shenanigans are exposed to the extent they exist, but Russia is deserving of special attention.
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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said. Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trumpís actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

    The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United Statesí main adversaries. As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trumpís face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.

    [cont.]

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.178a1212e166




    I'm sure it's perfectly innocent. Always is, with him. Maybe he secured Russia's secret help in getting rid of NK's nukes.

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    Re: The many paths from Trump to Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    The FBI doesn't think. Comey thinks. Strzok thinks. Mueller thinks. But who cares what the biased partisans rooting for Hillary and trying to destroy Trump think?
    I'm sorry that your and Trump's respective asses are so chapped over the FBI looking after national interests.


    Oh wait, no I'm not.

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