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    Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Let's say you have a 100 people in a town and 10 of them are illegal immigrants. Imagine an illegal immigrant raped and murdered someone in town yesterday.

    Some town members are angry. They say this would never have happened if they didn't have those illegals in town.

    Is that a rational point?

    Well, only 1 out of the 10 illegals committed a crime. And if records show that there were 9 other crimes committed by regular citizens, the argument makes no sense. Getting rid of the illegals won't reduce the percentage of violent criminals--10%. It will only reduce the population.

    To have any point, you have to establish that illegals commit more violent crimes than the rest of the population.

    But the data shows that the more undocumented immigrants you have, the lower the violent crime rate.



    If the mayor goes on TV and details how horrific that rape and murder was and brings out the victim's tearful mother, it's an appeal to emotion. It doesn't make the argument any more rational.

    Can we agree that Trump's argument is irrational?

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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Let's say you have a 100 people in a town and 10 of them are illegal immigrants. Imagine an illegal immigrant raped and murdered someone in town yesterday.

    Some town members are angry. They say this would never have happened if they didn't have those illegals in town.

    Is that a rational point?

    Well, only 1 out of the 10 illegals committed a crime. And if records show that there were 9 other crimes committed by regular citizens, the argument makes no sense. Getting rid of the illegals won't reduce the percentage of violent criminals--10%. It will only reduce the population.

    To have any point, you have to establish that illegals commit more violent crimes than the rest of the population.

    But the data shows that the more undocumented immigrants you have, the lower the violent crime rate.



    If the mayor goes on TV and details how horrific that rape and murder was and brings out the victim's tearful mother, it's an appeal to emotion. It doesn't make the argument any more rational.

    Can we agree that Trump's argument is irrational?
    I agree that automatically linking illegals to violent criminal activities is unfairly and unjustly biased. I also agree that all Americans should recognize that illegal immigration is harming this country in many ways for many reasons and should be stopped.

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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Let's say you have a 100 people in a town and 10 of them are illegal immigrants. Imagine an illegal immigrant raped and murdered someone in town yesterday.

    Some town members are angry. They say this would never have happened if they didn't have those illegals in town.

    Is that a rational point?

    Well, only 1 out of the 10 illegals committed a crime. And if records show that there were 9 other crimes committed by regular citizens, the argument makes no sense. Getting rid of the illegals won't reduce the percentage of violent criminals--10%. It will only reduce the population.

    To have any point, you have to establish that illegals commit more violent crimes than the rest of the population.

    But the data shows that the more undocumented immigrants you have, the lower the violent crime rate.



    If the mayor goes on TV and details how horrific that rape and murder was and brings out the victim's tearful mother, it's an appeal to emotion. It doesn't make the argument any more rational.

    Can we agree that Trump's argument is irrational?
    Hmmmm

    A murder occurs.

    Would that murder occur if the murderer was not present....

    Hmmmmmmmmm

    Let me think about that.
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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Hmmmm

    A murder occurs.

    Would that murder occur if the murderer was not present....

    Hmmmmmmmmm

    Let me think about that.
    And, it's really that simple.
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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Hmmmm

    A murder occurs.

    Would that murder occur if the murderer was not present....

    Hmmmmmmmmm

    Let me think about that.
    And that's true of all murders. If the murderer is Chinese then that murder wouldn't have happened if there were no Chinese people. It's a stupid argument.

    In the 1871 Los Angeles Chinese Massacre, a group of Americans rampaged and killed many in a town of Chinese immigrants. Why? Because they blamed a Chinese immigrant for a shooting.

    Blaming an entire group for the actions of a few is irrational. The less educated you are the more susceptible you become to this kind of irrational thinking.


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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    And that's true of all murders. If the murderer is Chinese then that murder wouldn't have happened if there were no Chinese people. It's a stupid argument.

    In the 1871 Los Angeles Chinese Massacre, a group of Americans rampaged and killed many in a town of Chinese immigrants. Why? Because they blamed a Chinese immigrant for a shooting.

    Blaming an entire group for the actions of a few is irrational. The less educated you are the more susceptible you become to this kind of irrational thinking.
    You asked about A murder.

    That murder would not have occurred.

    Correct?

    And who is blaming an entire group for the act of a single person?

    The less educated you are the more susceptible you become to broad brushing.
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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    If you had a 100 M&Ms with at least one of them laced with a leathal poison; how many would you eat? The rational thing to do would be to treat them all as lethal until you could identify those that would kill you vs those that were safe to eat.
    Buying home insurance to cover fire is rational and responsible even though statistically fires are rare. Locking your car and taking the keys is rational and responsible even if you can get away not 9 times out of 10.
    Why do we screen passengers before boarding? Statisically the number of incidents is infinitesimal relative to total passengers.
    An open border is not rational.

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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eriech View Post
    If you had a 100 M&Ms with at least one of them laced with a leathal poison; how many would you eat? The rational thing to do would be to treat them all as lethal until you could identify those that would kill you vs those that were safe to eat.
    Throwing out only the brown M&M's would be irrational, don't you agree? Would the M&M's be any safer to eat if you threw out only the browns ones?

    None of your other arguments even makes sense.

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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Throwing out only the brown M&M's would be irrational, don't you agree? Would the M&M's be any safer to eat if you threw out only the browns ones?

    None of your other arguments even makes sense.
    Not just the brown ones, every one.

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    Re: Is Trump's argument about illegal alien criminals rational?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eriech View Post
    Not just the brown ones, every one.

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    So, you admit that just getting rid of the brown m&m won't make things safer? There are toxic m&m's of every color. Just as getting rid of illegal aliens won't reduce the violent crime rate.

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