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Why Democrats can't agree to give Trump his wall

1. You are wrong. I am right.
Well that certainly became your normative behavior quickly.
No, you are wrong. What you quoted is not a true statement.


2. Gerbils are irrelevant.
Sure they can be irrelevant, but you clearly said 'we'. So an inquire as to who this possible 'we' was. Do you really not understand that? It could have been a mouse for all anybody knew.
So if the gerbil wasn't in your pocket, where exactly was it?


3. You replaced a verb phrase in my post 'can do' with a simple verb 'do' , changing the context and meaning from the original.
No I did not.

Here is the post I quoted.
The portion in blue was left out because it was taken to use against you. That is what I do, throw your own **** back at you. Hence the comma left there as it was.
The portion in red was not there when I quoted and the sentence and was left complete with it's period.


Most definitely. The fact you cannot appreciate its value, is indicative of your limitations.

We could do this all night, like two 12 year olds but my sleep is more important than responding to your lazy ass, empty, substance less comments.


My statement was completely consistent with yours.
Clearly not.


I know what I wrote, and each word had an intended purpose.
Keep telling yourself and that gerbil you carry that. I am sur eit will make you fell all warm and snugly.


Your choices and autonomy were not an issue. Had I intended them to be, I would not have picked the
verb phrase 'can do'.
iLOL A bs artist with the 'can do' attitude. Good to know. :thumbs:


We can still do this all night but I don't want to.
And yet you didn't walk away.
Figures.
 
Maybe because he is considering to use the trees for the wall?

Funny.
I suggest you learn the purpose of each agency is. Even if the FS was ordered to provide trees, the funding can reside in a the separate wall bill. Money is just paid to the FS for the wood under a contract to them.
 
While Republicans are trying to make this about a simple matter of "border security" or "who's to blame for the shutdown," there are practical matters for why Democrats can't give Trump his wall.

1)The source of funding for the wall was a lie. Trump supporters will argue that they knew it was a lie, but this demands adhering to the rather...unique...logic that because they were in on the lie this somehow obligates the rest of the country to go along with it. In other words, just because more than one person is in on a con doesn't make it any less of a con. But more to the point, to agree to fund a giant project based on one of the most important aspects of it being a lie simply rewards that lie, and incentivizes the motivation to lie on future projects.

2)Pretty much everything about the wall is a lie, from the artificial sense of urgency surrounding it which spontaneously came into being just as Democrats took control of the House, to the claim that terrorists are flooding across the borders in the thousands, to the claim that immigrants bring disease, to the claim that immigrants are responsible for any meaningful percentage of crime...it's all based on lies. If the wall was a necessary and legitimate need, it wouldn't require lies in its defense. The truth would stand on its own. So as with the above: to agree to fund a giant project based on lies simply rewards those lies, and incentivizes the motivation to lie on future projects.

3)To give Trump his wall proves correct his belief that using Federal workers as pawns is a workable strategy, and he will therefore be sure to repeat the strategy.

4)Similar to the above but even more significant, to provide Trump his wall demonstrates that Trump will be able to demand something unreasonable every time a spending bill is up. Since he will know that Democrats will fold, this will immediately reduce the House to an inferior chamber of Congress (and by extension, an inferior branch of government). Trump will correctly conclude that he could demand anything at all, up to and including the cessation of House oversight over the Executive branch altogether.

5)To give Trump his wall negates Trump's own claim that he owns the shutdown. Why adopt blame for a terrible thing that somebody else has already agreed to shoulder the blame for?

6)Trump has spent so much effort imbuing the wall with racist principles (equating Latinos to vermin, disease, criminals and animals) that for Democrats to agree to a wall necessarily adopts the stink of his racism onto themselves.

7)Trump doesn't even treat the wall issue seriously, so why should Democrats? To date, Trump hasn't landed on a final vision of the wall, hasn't conducted a serious cost analysis of it, can't seem to stick to a single narrative for who will pay for it, and often abandons the wall only to spontaneously make it his prerogative by the end of the day depending on who on Fox News is currently yammering at him. If the wall is such a serious issue, then Trump has treated it as unseriously as possible, and therefore Democrats are not required to treat it as a serious thing that they need to spend a single dollar on.

8)This is technically a political reason and not the most important one, but there's no reason it should be be excluded from the list anyway: Republicans have already lost the public debate on the wall. A majority of the country doesn't see the wall as a priority, doesn't want a shutdown, and they blame the shutdown primarily on Trump and Republicans. Around 32-35% blame Democrats, which is an interesting number because that's a little less than the percentage of the country that comprises Trump's own base. Why should Democrats give in when, as polls are consistently showing, they already won the debate?

You know I wish you'd do an updated "all the things one must ignore to believe Trump is innocent and all the investigations are just witch hunts". You did that some time ago and it was damn good nd compelling. So many more breadcrumbs since then. I heard a really good point on AM Joy, is that the president is winning by distraction by pushing each piece out of the news cycle, but taken together ia MOUNTAIN of corruption, malfeasance, and possibly being totally compromised.

There's just NO WAY anyone rational and objective could believe Trump is innocent of all charges. I'll grant it is debateable what is fully "proven", but it looks BAD taken together. It's astounding that anyone is falling for it. It's criminal complicity from other GOP members too.
 
You know I wish you'd do an updated "all the things one must ignore to believe Trump is innocent and all the investigations are just witch hunts". You did that some time ago and it was damn good nd compelling. So many more breadcrumbs since then. I heard a really good point on AM Joy, is that the president is winning by distraction by pushing each piece out of the news cycle, but taken together ia MOUNTAIN of corruption, malfeasance, and possibly being totally compromised.

There's just NO WAY anyone rational and objective could believe Trump is innocent of all charges. I'll grant it is debateable what is fully "proven", but it looks BAD taken together. It's astounding that anyone is falling for it. It's criminal complicity from other GOP members too.

I actually have another one in mind that I’m preparing.
 
There is such a thing as putting country above party. Democrats would learn this if they gave trump his wall. It's not worth the billions more wasted on a shut down. Simple. Just swallow your pride and everything is well.
 
There is such a thing as putting country above party. Democrats would learn this if they gave trump his wall. It's not worth the billions more wasted on a shut down. Simple. Just swallow your pride and everything is well.

See points 1-8.
 
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