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    Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strike?

    Essential government workers:
    • Federal government employees who've been deemed important enough that they haven't been furloughed, but who yet aren't getting paid.



    Though I understand why some essential government workers may not strike, a huge bloc of them, most notably TSA airport workers and/or air traffic controllers, should have gone on strike on Jan. 4, 2019. Why that group of government employees?
    • Because planes don't fly without them.
    • Because there are far too many of them and their training lag times too long to rapidly replace them to get planes flying again.
      • They can literally shutdown US air transportation -- passenger and freight -- for a couple months at least.
    • Because they are "regular" people whose roles position them to have pivotal, unignorable impacts. America's commercial sectors -- anyone who needs to fly; anyone who ships stuff on FedEx, UPS, etc. -- would lay massive pressure on Trump and Congress to get the government up and running again.

    Those two groups of essential employees are both "visible" and numerous enough that their striking could very rapidly move either (1) a veto-proof Congressional bill's passage or (2) the POTUS and Congress to collaboratively get the government funded and reopened.

    The US is democracy and this seems like one of the times when "the people," not their elected representatives, need to take the lead to achieve a specific outcomes.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    My brother was in the PATCO union when they struck under Reagan. He remained on the job due to economics; wife and kids. Federal employees are not “allowed” to strike.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ations_Statute

    PATCO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATCO
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    they're probably afraid of being fired. even in the waning days of a good economy, finding a new job isn't cake. more often than not, it requires a move, and that can be a massive hassle. "oh, junior, BTW. you know all of those friends you've had your whole life? yeah, i'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to sort of say goodbye to all of them because some orange blob who you don't care about is trying to gain political points by withholding my pay. pack your ****, kiddo! woohoo!" when the alternative is getting paid a month or two late, that still seems to be the path of least resistance.

    doesn't mean that they can't slow **** down in almost imperceivable increments, though.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Essential government workers:
    • Federal government employees who've been deemed important enough that they haven't been furloughed, but who yet aren't getting paid.



    Though I understand why some essential government workers may not strike, a huge bloc of them, most notably TSA airport workers and/or air traffic controllers, should have gone on strike on Jan. 4, 2019. Why that group of government employees?
    • Because planes don't fly without them.
    • Because there are far too many of them and their training lag times too long to rapidly replace them to get planes flying again.
      • They can literally shutdown US air transportation -- passenger and freight -- for a couple months at least.
    • Because they are "regular" people whose roles position them to have pivotal, unignorable impacts. America's commercial sectors -- anyone who needs to fly; anyone who ships stuff on FedEx, UPS, etc. -- would lay massive pressure on Trump and Congress to get the government up and running again.

    Those two groups of essential employees are both "visible" and numerous enough that their striking could very rapidly move either (1) a veto-proof Congressional bill's passage or (2) the POTUS and Congress to collaboratively get the government funded and reopened.

    The US is democracy and this seems like one of the times when "the people," not their elected representatives, need to take the lead to achieve a specific outcomes.
    Oddly enough, I agree with you. There are really only 800,000? people effected by this shutdown. They are essentially pawns in idiotic political death match between Trump, pelosi and Schumer. They should start protesting in front of both the White House and congress and put out the real possibility of a work stoppage if they arent going to get paid. A strike should be the last resort, but that should be thrown out there as a bomb that will go off if the two sides dont sit down and reach an agreement.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    They can’t strike, but they CAN call in sick and enough TSA officers have been doing it that some terminals have been having to close early.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Oddly enough, I agree with you. There are really only 800,000? people effected by this shutdown. They are essentially pawns in idiotic political death match between Trump, pelosi and Schumer. They should start protesting in front of both the White House and congress and put out the real possibility of a work stoppage if they arent going to get paid. A strike should be the last resort, but that should be thrown out there as a bomb that will go off if the two sides dont sit down and reach an agreement.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    They can’t strike, but they CAN call in sick and enough TSA officers have been doing it that some terminals have been having to close early.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Hell must be getting a few degrees cooler; that was a hard earned ”like!”
    Aha!! So you admit then that there is no global warming!! At least no subterranean warming

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    My brother was in the PATCO union when they struck under Reagan. He remained on the job due to economics; wife and kids. Federal employees are not “allowed” to strike.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ations_Statute

    PATCO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATCO
    That legislation basically allows Congress and POTUSes to use government workers and government services as pawns.

    That legislation notwithstanding, they can yet strike...and they have the weight of numbers to dare the government to do something about it. As I noted, the government simply cannot, at the drop of a hat, train and replace literally thousands of skilled and specifically trained workers. Even if Congress and the POTUS attempted to do so, doing so would be very politically imprudent. The quantity of workers alone make that so...And one can be sure that were TSA and air traffic controllers to strike and succeed in ending the shutdown, the vast majority of government's 2 million workers would support them in the event of Congressional/WH retaliation.

    At the the end of the day, civil servants are just regular citizens and they can, like the rest of us, stand up for their rights and what they're owed, which in this case is pay for work they're doing. That's not a whole lot to ask for.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they're probably afraid of being fired. even in the waning days of a good economy, finding a new job isn't cake. more often than not, it requires a move, and that can be a massive hassle. "oh, junior, BTW. you know all of those friends you've had your whole life? yeah, i'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to sort of say goodbye to all of them because some orange blob who you don't care about is trying to gain political points by withholding my pay. pack your ****, kiddo! woohoo!" when the alternative is getting paid a month or two late, that still seems to be the path of least resistance.

    doesn't mean that they can't slow **** down in almost imperceivable increments, though.
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